Something very important for SONY

[NinjaCarm]

I was reading an old issue of Wizard (#26 with Mark Bagley's Spider-Man on the cover no less) and there's an article regarding the recent storylines of the day (1993).

I came across a qoute from Mark Bagley (Met the man at Wizard World - class act), and I wanted to share with every true believer out there wanting the best out of the new reboot.

"I think we're doing quntessential Spider-Man stories (Mark Bagley and David Michelinie - great combo back in the day). The angst of being Peter Parker shouldn't overpower the superhero adventure", (Ahem - Raimi!), Bagley goes on. "If there's any fault I can point to in the other books, it's that the emphasis seems to be too heavy on how screwed up Peter Parker is. That was never the main focus of the book in the old days; it was the background."

How true it is, to come from one of Spider-Man's greatest artists over the years, to tell the tale of getting it right.

SONY - we understand the enduring true to life problems of Peter Parker but we do not want him sobbing in the woe is me routine the whole way. It's the background, like Bagley said. Incorporating the remorse and guilt over losing Uncle Ben and conveying it better than Raimi did? ALL FOR IT! Engrossing action scenes and real urgency and sinisterness from the villains? YES, Please! Realistic boy / girl / money problems / real acting from your new director Marc Webb? I HOPE SO!

BUT..... just remember this is Spider-Man, remember the message coming from one of the longest running Spider-Man artists ever.

'Nuff said!

[ntbone]

bravo! effin A, man! i agree 100%.

[TheSlag]

Totally agree!

Love the quote "That was never the main focus of the book in the old days; it was the background."

[Eggyman]

I agree completely.

[Ajendo]

Exactly! It's no surprise many individuals invloved in the various mediums spidey has appeared in care not for Raimi's spidey movies.

[Dangerous]

Yea, and I don't want this to be 80% high school teen angst crap and 20% Spider-Man action either!

I want it 50/50 Sony!!!

[Dangerous]

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[Bad Superman]

Originally Posted by NinjaCarm

I was reading an old issue of Wizard (#26 with Mark Bagley's Spider-Man on the cover no less) and there's an article regarding the recent storylines of the day (1993).

I came across a qoute from Mark Bagley (Met the man at Wizard World - class act), and I wanted to share with every true believer out there wanting the best out of the new reboot.

"I think we're doing quntessential Spider-Man stories (Mark Bagley and David Michelinie - great combo back in the day). The angst of being Peter Parker shouldn't overpower the superhero adventure", (Ahem - Raimi!), Bagley goes on. "If there's any fault I can point to in the other books, it's that the emphasis seems to be too heavy on how screwed up Peter Parker is. That was never the main focus of the book in the old days; it was the background."

How true it is, to come from one of Spider-Man's greatest artists over the years, to tell the tale of getting it right.

SONY - we understand the enduring true to life problems of Peter Parker but we do not want him sobbing in the woe is me routine the whole way. It's the background, like Bagley said. Incorporating the remorse and guilt over losing Uncle Ben and conveying it better than Raimi did? ALL FOR IT! Engrossing action scenes and real urgency and sinisterness from the villains? YES, Please! Realistic boy / girl / money problems / real acting from your new director Marc Webb? I HOPE SO!

BUT..... just remember this is Spider-Man, remember the message coming from one of the longest running Spider-Man artists ever.

'Nuff said!

One of the best posts I've read in a while.

[Oscorp]

Great post, I agree to it all!

[TheSlag]

Originally Posted by Dangerous

Yea, and I don't want this to be 80% high school teen angst crap and 20% Spider-Man action either!

I want it 50/50 Sony!!!

I almost err to the side of 60(Spider-Man action)/40. I would hope Sony/Webb and Co remember this is Spider-Man, not Peter Parker Amazing High Schooler.

[Rodrigo90]

Im sure we wont see an emotional Spider-Man again.

[©KAW]

I need to know what Marc Webb is doing to prepare himself before making this film.

[Venom'sDad]

A few of us who do understand the character has been saying that for quite a while now; yet have been ridicule by some of the same people that are now saying "Amen" to that quote. Sony will never understand the character, because they are just giving us what the fans want, for monetary reasons.

It's sad to say, most of todays fans and a few of yesterdays fans really know nothing of the Stan Lee characters.... including Peter Parker/Spiderman.

IMHO

[Rodrigo90]

I would like the film to be set between Amazing Fantasy #15 and SM#1

Highlighting where AF#15 left off. Cause we never did see a story about life for Peter just after Bens death and funeral. How he coped or anything.

The kid blames himself for his Uncles death and thats a big responsibility to carry round.

I think the film should show how he deals with that,throwing himself into being Spider-Man. The responsibility and guilt he feels over Uncle Bens death should be beaten by his responsibility of who he is.

Maybe at the start he isnt Spider-Man,but the guilt is eating away at him and he becomes a crime fighter for the wrong reasons,cause of his guilt and want for revenge. Honouring Uncle Ben for the wrong reasons.

Cause in the original comic,it wasnt Uncle Ben who said with great power comes great responsibility...it was a lesson Peter learned by himself.

[Sky Captain]

Well, there was Amazing Fantasy #16, #17, and #18. Those were pretty good. It would behoove the movie to have some Busiek-influence.

[spider-neil]

I personally think he is talking a load of absolute rubbish. a comic, cartoon or movie should always concentrate on the characters FIRST and foremost. you the audience have to make a connection with that character so when the **** hits the fan you actually CARE what happens to that character.

there is absolutely nothing wrong with have jaw dropping, mind blowing action but if you dont care about the characters then the action will have no meaning because you wont care about the outcome.

amazing fantasy 15
peter parker a nerd get super powers there is a great montage of the things he does with those powers (jumping and climbing for the first time, the tv show, crusher hogan) all that is all well and good but the thing everyone remembers the most about that story is the burgular and the impact he had on peters life.

the second they concentrate on the hero, and the spidey franchise becomes an action fest, with no depth, no character journey, no growth for the main character or the supporting characters then that is the day I get off the spider-man movie train because the movie wont be worth watching.

transformers 2 - pure action no depth
terminator salvation - pure action no depth

spider-man should aways concentrate on the 'man' because its the MAN that gives the character depth. every single one of my favorite spidey stories concentrates on peter parker. the action was all well and good but I always came back to spidey rather than superman or batman because I found his personal life fascinating, he was like me, problems that he had to deal with the only difference was he had a superhero alter ego.

so, I've said my peace. I think mark bagley is talking out of his arse thank goodness he draws comics rather than writes them, if he did I'd avioid his comic like the plague. 90's comics all flash no substance.

[Rodrigo90]

spider-neil,I agree with EVERYTHING youve said.

[Spidey_62]

I agree! That's a great post, spider-neil.

[Mrpaul]

This is what we want, Spidey being the spotlight

[Spider-Who?]

I think the Sensational Spider-Man cartoon has nailed Spidey. Its pretty sad that a small group of animators for a cable kids show have a better grasp of Spidey than a whole film company of over payed wankers do.

[Spidey_62]

Originally Posted by Spider-Who?

I think the Sensational Spider-Man cartoon has nailed Spidey. Its pretty sad that a small group of animators for a cable kids show have a better grasp of Spidey than a whole film company of over payed wankers do.

You mean Spectacular. And I agree.

[topdog1]

Originally Posted by Dangerous

Yea, and I don't want this to be 80% high school teen angst crap and 20% Spider-Man action either!

I want it 50/50 Sony!!!

What about the over 25 crowd that wants NO "high school teen angst" crap???

Originally Posted by spider-neil

spider-man should aways concentrate on the 'man' because its the MAN that gives the character depth.

Even if the MAN is a little kid???

[Indie]

Originally Posted by Bad Superman

One of the best posts I've read in a while.

agreed!

[spider-neil]

Originally Posted by topdog1

Even if the MAN is a little kid???

it doesn't matter how old a character is, he (or she) should always have a journey. they should start in one place and end in another. they should have depth and be well rounded.
here's some examples;

T2 -
john conner: starts as a brat but gets a connection to an unfeeling machine. totally different person by the end of the movie.

Terminator -
sarah conner: wimpy and care free is a warrior by the end of the movie.

think about your favorite characters from star wars, matrix, blade runner or any movie for that matter, think about the person they are at the start of the movie and the person they are at the end of the movie, almost completely different people. the worst movies the character stays pretty much the same.

it doesn't mater if peter is 16, 18 or 25 as long as there is character growth. you concentrate on the hero and there can't be any growth because the hero is essentially there to battle bad guys.
so while I agree spidey should have a character a personality i.e. wise crack the focus should always be about the man behind the mask that who you will connect to.

think about your favorite movies again, star wars, ESB, raiders, matrix, terminator, aliens, etc sure the action was amazing but its the characters that made those movies great and that's what you connected to even on an unconscious level. if those movie had concentrated on the action at the expense of the characters those amazing action sequences wouldn't have mattered to you and those movies wouldn't have become classics.

[Ajendo]

Originally Posted by spider-neil

it doesn't mater if peter is 16, 18 or 25 as long as there is character growth. you concentrate on the hero and there can't be any growth because the hero is essentially there to battle bad guys.
so while I agree spidey should have a character a personality i.e. wise crack the focus should always be about the man behind the mask that who you will connect to.

I like a lot of the things you've said. I for one am a huge Fan of Ripley from the alien movies, arguably one of the best heroic icons of all time. However, the part that I have bolded is exactly why I just couldn't love Raimi's spidey movies. Peter Parker as a character had no significant growth or development to his character. In SM1 he went from having only 1 friend to just 2 and back down to 1 again by the end of SM3. He was still being bullied, having paper balls thrown at him and lights shon in his eye whilst in college. Over the course of the 3 movies, instead of man'ing up, he allowed himself to be punked out. Peter Parker at the start of sm1 was essentially the same by the end of sm3.

The character needed to grow, confidence to be instilled, his personality to be more sociable and to not continuously come off as shy and weak all the time. In the comics, even during Stan Lee's run and the cartoons, Parker is someone I could actually be friends with but Maguire's Parker was just too much of a self-depressed loser. Other than the fact that he saved her life time and time again and that he was spider-man, I fail to see why Dunst's MJ loved Peter. In fact, given what took place in SM2 and SM3, I think it can be argued that MJ didn't really love Peter as much as much as we're meant to believe.