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Old 03-06-2010, 04:39 PM   #126
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Personally, I just don't like the idea of superheros being involved with actual wars that happened, especially World War 2. Something about it isn't right.

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Such as....?
putting him on the USO circuit

As someone who knows very little about Cap Am I have no idea what you're talking about.
I was giving a reason why he wears the costume...making it purposeful instead of an accident

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I dont understand this line of thinking. You can see Harry Potter flying on a broom stick playing Quidditch and no one bats an eye. Perseus rides a winged horse, kills medusa and the kraken and no questions the realism of it...but the moment someone want to make a superhero movie all of a sudden the GA has a hard time believe it????
I think it stems from the negative stigma that comics are for kids or nerds. Comic fans have gotten dissed for decades, so there is an idea that the general audience won't accept anything that's too comic like. I personally think it's just a big worry over nothing. People love action no matter what. If the trailers look good, then they won't question too much. Everybody brings up the "yellow spandex" line from X-Men, but Watchmen had yellow spandex. Watchmen was successful to some extent. It's not like people were saying, "Look at those goofy costumes. I'm not seeing that ****."

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well visually IMO, when he's thinking about trying to earn money and doodling different designs out...its not a traditional explanation, but it gets the message across... I remember an early version of the script actually had a sequence where he puts the red and blue suit together...he apparently was going to use cannibalized lighters as webshooters

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Personally, I just don't like the idea of superheros being involved with actual wars that happened, especially World War 2. Something about it isn't right.
Then you'll definitely not like Captain America.

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Old 03-06-2010, 04:41 PM   #131
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I was giving a reason why he wears the costume...making it purposeful instead of an accident
Well as someone who's part of John Q. Public when it comes to Cap Am I've got no real issue with that USO idea.

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Personally, I just don't like the idea of superheros being involved with actual wars that happened, especially World War 2. Something about it isn't right.
well the guys who fought in the war didnt have an issue with it as Captain America was read by the troops in the fox holes...and sold very well when they came back.

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I think it stems from the negative stigma that comics are for kids or nerds. Comic fans have gotten dissed for decades, so there is an idea that the general audience won't accept anything that's too comic like. I personally think it's just a big worry over nothing. People love action no matter what. If the trailers look good, then they won't question too much. Everybody brings up the "yellow spandex" line from X-Men, but Watchmen had yellow spandex. Watchmen was successful to some extent. It's not like people were saying, "Look at those goofy costumes. I'm not seeing that ****."
good point, man

1 hot chick in yellow spandex at that

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I think it stems from the negative stigma that comics are for kids or nerds. Comic fans have gotten dissed for decades, so there is an idea that the general audience won't accept anything that's too comic like. I personally think it's just a big worry over nothing. People love action no matter what. If the trailers look good, then they won't question too much. Everybody brings up the ''yellow spandex'' line from X-Men, but Watchmen had yellow spandex. Watchmen was successful to some extent. It's not like people were saying, ''Look at those goofy costumes. I'm not seeing that ****.''
Very valid point, unfortunately the stigma still exists, even in light of Batman and Iron Man.

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I think we create the stigma.

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Well as someone who's part of John Q. Public when it comes to Cap Am I've got no real issue with that USO idea.
but you dont know anything about Cap right

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good point, man

1 hot chick in yellow spandex at that
No characters costume got explained in that movie

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but you dont know anything about Cap right
I know bits and pieces, as an outsider looking in that USO idea on paper seems fine with me.

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Is Spider-Man gonna have to hit the screen in something like this
before you guys see a problem?

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I actually like that idea. Still says Spider-Man.

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because he needs protection

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I actually like that idea. Still says Spider-Man.
That's HIDEOUS!
I'm curious-what do you consider a bad costume?

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the Raimi Spider-man suit....lol

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That's HIDEOUS!
I'm curious-what do you consider a bad costume?
If I'm honest, I've never really had any issues with the costume designs in superhero films to date because in the end I care more for the character portrayal than I do for how comic accurate the costumes are, to me it's a superficial element in the grand scheme of things. Batman, Iron Man, Hulk, Daredevil, X-Men, Fantastic Four, Elektra, The Joker, Magneto, etc they all invoked some resemblance to their comic counterpart in one way or another, so they all work for me on a visual level. Although i will say that god awful Catwoman movie costume, just purely from a design perspective, is one of the worst costumes in movie history, not just superhero flicks.
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the Raimi Spider-man suit....lol
Actually I think it's one of the best adapted suits, my issue with it is that it just appears out of nowhere.

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No characters costume got explained in that movie
did you miss the whole opening title sequence ?? they establish that this is a world inhabited by masked men and superheroes

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did you miss the whole opening title sequence ?? they establish that this is a world inhabited by masked men and superheroes
they establish the world is full of masked heroes but at no time is there a explanation for why other than Mason telling Dan "they did it first so we did it."

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is that not good enough for you?? did you want something in Powerpoint??

and I think its fair to say that 'Watchmen' wasn't made for the general audience...it was made for people who've read comics and understand the world

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There was no explanation for why the Comedian called himself the Comedian or chose that particular costume, why Rorschach went the way he did, why SIlk Spectre went with her design (with NO SILK in it)-that's what he means.

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is that not good enough for you?? did you want something in Powerpoint??

and I think its fair to say that 'Watchmen' wasn't made for the general audience...it was made for people who've read comics and understand the world
no honestly I am content with what they did in Watchmen. If they did the same in Captain America, show the Red Skull, Baron Zemo, Submariner, the Original Human Torch then you can get away with why they would put him in that costume.

IMO Watchmen is the best superhero movie made so far

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I wouldn't go that far.

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