Deus Ex: Human Revolution - Page 2

Soapy · 06-05-2010, 11:05 PM

More.

Spoiler!!! Click to Read!:

Solidus · 06-06-2010, 12:33 AM

I am stoked for this game. The original was amazing, but the sequel was a letdown. So I guess I'm half stoked and half cautious. But I hope for the best.

Crook · 06-06-2010, 12:03 PM

So this is an FPS, correct? We've had out fair share of futuristic settings in this genre, but this one actually looks to have some artistic credibility, as opposed to doing what's conventional and cool-looking.

That trailer was beyond awesome, and if the game feels anything close to the epic tone it set, this is a day-one purchase for me.

Solidus · 06-06-2010, 12:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Crook

So this is an FPS, correct? We've had out fair share of futuristic settings in this genre, but this one actually looks to have some artistic credibility, as opposed to doing what's conventional and cool-looking.

That trailer was beyond awesome, and if the game feels anything close to the epic tone it set, this is a day-one purchase for me.

It's a FPS/RPG like System Shock so forth. The original was the brainchild of the great Warren Spector. You could be stealthy and so forth as well. It truly was almost it's own genre.

If you have not played the original, I recommend through Steam or something to get it. Still a superb game. The originals graphics are dated but the gameplay and story makes up for it.

I still have the original box and everything for it. I remember it came out around the same time Diablo II came out, but I remember I was just addicted to Deus Ex. I eventually got to Diablo II

Ahh the great conspiracy theories in it as well, the greys, the MJ12. Man I may go back now and play it.

Soapy · 06-06-2010, 01:06 PM

Well, I'm playing through the original Deus Ex again right now, and it most certainly is not a "superb" game. It's aged horribly. Both in terms of visuals as well as gameplay.

Solidus · 06-06-2010, 01:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Soapy

Well, I'm playing through the original Deus Ex again right now, and it most certainly is not a "superb" game. It's aged horribly. Both in terms of visuals as well as gameplay.

Disagree on the gameplay part. Some parts maybe. But overall its gameplay is superb. Better than games like BioShock that are watered down versions of System Shock and Deus Ex.

Soapy · 06-06-2010, 01:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Solidus

Disagree on the gameplay part. Some parts maybe. But overall its gameplay is superb. Better than games like BioShock that are watered down versions of System Shock and Deus Ex.

Bioshock may be watered down, but at least it was fun.

Sneaking up behind a dude, waiting ten ****ing seconds for my crosshairs to close, and then shooting him directly in the back of the head at point blank range only to see him prance off and trigger an alarm isn't really what I would define as fun.

Solidus · 06-06-2010, 01:22 PM

BioShock was fun at parts, but others not. I enjoy more RPG elements in these types of games because that is what they originated with like games such as Ultima Underworld.

And as you level up, cross hairs don't take that long. But even still there are other ways to go about it, so I just ninja sword people in stealth mode lol. I'm sure there are things that can be updated for sure. But overall it laid a lot of groundwork. I guess people don't have patience anymore.

EDIT: Also this goes off of actual RPG stuff and not action games. Where it's about dice roll and probability of hitting things even at close range. It gives more of an incentive to level up, because you feel more powerful by the end.

Soapy · 06-06-2010, 01:42 PM

RPG is my favorite genre so I know all about dice rolls and such. I've played Deus Ex before and it's even one of my favorite games.

I know it's dumb to criticize an old game from a modern viewpoint, but I feel if you're going to make an Action RPG it's important for developers to embrace the "action" just as much as the "RPG". Bioware learned this in Mass Effect 2 and not only was it a better action game than ME1 for it, but I would argue that it was a much better RPG for it as well.

Solidus · 06-06-2010, 01:58 PM

Hmmm to eaches own. I loved ME2 I do agree it is my GOTY so far. Yet I liked parts of ME1 better. To me just because there is an First person view and you have guns, it does not mean that you have to take out dice roll. But at the same time I do agree that it can get annoying.

With ME1 I never saw it as a problem. You do have a point, but I think if they are going to embrace the action, they need to change something else to make it more RPG"ish" I never felt as much in ME2 that I had actually "leveled up" that and I thought there were not enough decisions to make your character more unique in leveling up.

So I would say, that sometimes it can work, but to me it takes away the feeling of becoming more "powerful" as you level up. In ME1 I felt much more powerful by the end, and I could tell more of a difference. (not taking away from ME2) but I just thought ME1 was better to me.

I guess that is where our difference is. I agree with some of the points but at the same time I just feel it takes away from some of the RPG aspects. Diablo is an action RPG just at a different view, and it still is based on probability. So personally I never saw a problem with it.

See if you embrace the action, than it does become just an action game with RPG elements. And that is never what Spector was going for with SS/UU/or Deus Ex. I think that is where the line is drawn to a point to make them unique. I do agree that they need to update it, and maybe go with the more modern action to a point but find another way to give it that RPG feel of accomplishment and empowerment.

To me like BioShock 2 showed even further the more you water it down...its just another FPS. And I'm tired of FPS's they are just over saturating the market. That's why I have high hopes for Deus Ex 3 is that they move away from just being an action game with a few upgrades.

I hope they have hardcore RPG elements in Deus Ex 3 like great customization and gameplay choice (almost Class based choices of gameplay). I would not mind having action in it at all. But to me I think if they go too far in that direction like BioShock or so forth it strips what makes an RPG. We have enough Action games with RPG Elements. I want an RPG with action elements.

So I agree in some aspects, and think there is room to evolve the RPG's. But in some areas I think it goes too much towards just an action game.

Soapy · 06-06-2010, 02:53 PM

No, I agree with you. That feeling of progression is important. Not just to RPGs, but all games. I feel like using Mass Effect 1 isn't a great example of it though. Like, didn't it feel a bit silly in the early stages of the game when Shepard's aim was horrendous? I mean Commander Shepard is already a badass elite commando at the beginning of the game and yet he can't hit the broad side of the barn to save his life?

I feel like a big problem is that we, as gamers, tend to be obsessed with labeling things. Action RPG, RPG action game, action game with RPG elements, etc. It doesn't really matter in the end as long as it appeals to you. I feel like we'll be a lot better off once we accept that not everything has to fit under a nice, neat label. Take or leave a game based on it's own merits.

Flash Facts · 06-10-2010, 11:20 AM

"Eurogamer~ Deus Ex:Human Revolution Blowout"

Why Are You Crouching Spock? · 06-20-2010, 08:21 PM

http://screwattack.com/videos/Behind...Revolution-pt1

http://screwattack.com/videos/Behind...Revolution-pt2

Dues Ex Conviction: Modern Guns Of The Patriots 2.

Soapy · 06-20-2010, 09:50 PM

It's looking really promising so far.

ChrisBaleBatman · 06-21-2010, 02:40 PM

I own Deus Ex for the Xbox. I think I pickedit up for like $5 or something last year. It felt too dated to play through.

But, what the hell. I think I'll try and hunker through it. I'm a sucker for an RPG with a good story. I can forgive alot if I have fun with the leveling up, and the story.

Flash Facts · 06-28-2010, 02:19 PM

I just watched the leaked demo. It looks promising. I kinda wish there was more body awareness though.

The Squirrel · 06-30-2010, 10:16 PM

PC Gamer has a good preview of it in this month's issue.

eternalinferno · 09-17-2010, 03:03 PM

this TGS trailer is amazing

http://tgs.gamespot.com/video/627625...3Bplay_btn%3B3

Crockett · 09-18-2010, 09:45 PM

A impressing trailer to say the least, it looks like a solid game and can't wait to see more of it.

Why Are You Crouching Spock? · 09-18-2010, 09:57 PM

I really liked the music.
The villainous looking characters a bit too much like Metal Gear solid rejects for my liking.

Soapy · 09-18-2010, 11:31 PM

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Originally Posted by kez1984

I really liked the music.

Yeah, me too. Same music from the first trailer though. Speaking of, I was disappointed that the TGS trailer was just a recut version of the first one with like five seconds of new footage.

I am curious about what that big building/hole thing going down into the ocean is. Some kind of mining operation?

The Squirrel · 09-18-2010, 11:31 PM

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Originally Posted by eternalinferno

this TGS trailer is amazing

http://tgs.gamespot.com/video/627625...3Bplay_btn%3B3

That is one good trailer.

Paroxysm · 09-19-2010, 03:16 PM

The new trailer is awesome. I love the character design.

Crockett · 11-18-2010, 08:59 PM

New gameplay trailer.

VIDEO-CLick to Watch!:

misjuevos · 11-18-2010, 09:17 PM

don't really like first person games. i still want to try this though

06-05-2010, 11:05 PM	#26
Soapy All about the back-end. Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 12,600	Re: Deus Ex: Human Revolution More. Spoiler!!! Click to Read!: Spoiler!!! Click to Read!: Spoiler!!! Click to Read!: __________________ Your game music of the week: "Town Where the Bells Chime" from Atelier Iris VIDEO-CLick to Watch!:

06-06-2010, 12:33 AM	#27
Solidus ...not a Jedi yet Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Dagobah Posts: 13,281	Re: Deus Ex: Human Revolution I am stoked for this game. The original was amazing, but the sequel was a letdown. So I guess I'm half stoked and half cautious. But I hope for the best. __________________ "If you don’t care about the characters, nothing matters. No space ship, no explosion, no anything is important if you don’t feel something for the people involved."J.J. Abrams (2/5/13)

06-06-2010, 12:03 PM	#28
Crook Banned User Join Date: May 2007 Location: N.Y. Posts: 16,301	Re: Deus Ex: Human Revolution So this is an FPS, correct? We've had out fair share of futuristic settings in this genre, but this one actually looks to have some artistic credibility, as opposed to doing what's conventional and cool-looking. That trailer was beyond awesome, and if the game feels anything close to the epic tone it set, this is a day-one purchase for me.

06-06-2010, 01:06 PM	#30
Soapy All about the back-end. Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 12,600	Re: Deus Ex: Human Revolution Well, I'm playing through the original Deus Ex again right now, and it most certainly is not a "superb" game. It's aged horribly. Both in terms of visuals as well as gameplay. __________________ Your game music of the week: "Town Where the Bells Chime" from Atelier Iris VIDEO-CLick to Watch!:

06-06-2010, 01:22 PM	#33
Solidus ...not a Jedi yet Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Dagobah Posts: 13,281	Re: Deus Ex: Human Revolution BioShock was fun at parts, but others not. I enjoy more RPG elements in these types of games because that is what they originated with like games such as Ultima Underworld. And as you level up, cross hairs don't take that long. But even still there are other ways to go about it, so I just ninja sword people in stealth mode lol. I'm sure there are things that can be updated for sure. But overall it laid a lot of groundwork. I guess people don't have patience anymore. EDIT: Also this goes off of actual RPG stuff and not action games. Where it's about dice roll and probability of hitting things even at close range. It gives more of an incentive to level up, because you feel more powerful by the end. __________________ "If you don’t care about the characters, nothing matters. No space ship, no explosion, no anything is important if you don’t feel something for the people involved."J.J. Abrams (2/5/13)

06-06-2010, 01:42 PM	#34
Soapy All about the back-end. Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 12,600	Re: Deus Ex: Human Revolution RPG is my favorite genre so I know all about dice rolls and such. I've played Deus Ex before and it's even one of my favorite games. I know it's dumb to criticize an old game from a modern viewpoint, but I feel if you're going to make an Action RPG it's important for developers to embrace the "action" just as much as the "RPG". Bioware learned this in Mass Effect 2 and not only was it a better action game than ME1 for it, but I would argue that it was a much better RPG for it as well. __________________ Your game music of the week: "Town Where the Bells Chime" from Atelier Iris VIDEO-CLick to Watch!:

06-06-2010, 01:58 PM	#35
Solidus ...not a Jedi yet Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Dagobah Posts: 13,281	Re: Deus Ex: Human Revolution Hmmm to eaches own. I loved ME2 I do agree it is my GOTY so far. Yet I liked parts of ME1 better. To me just because there is an First person view and you have guns, it does not mean that you have to take out dice roll. But at the same time I do agree that it can get annoying. With ME1 I never saw it as a problem. You do have a point, but I think if they are going to embrace the action, they need to change something else to make it more RPG"ish" I never felt as much in ME2 that I had actually "leveled up" that and I thought there were not enough decisions to make your character more unique in leveling up. So I would say, that sometimes it can work, but to me it takes away the feeling of becoming more "powerful" as you level up. In ME1 I felt much more powerful by the end, and I could tell more of a difference. (not taking away from ME2) but I just thought ME1 was better to me. I guess that is where our difference is. I agree with some of the points but at the same time I just feel it takes away from some of the RPG aspects. Diablo is an action RPG just at a different view, and it still is based on probability. So personally I never saw a problem with it. See if you embrace the action, than it does become just an action game with RPG elements. And that is never what Spector was going for with SS/UU/or Deus Ex. I think that is where the line is drawn to a point to make them unique. I do agree that they need to update it, and maybe go with the more modern action to a point but find another way to give it that RPG feel of accomplishment and empowerment. To me like BioShock 2 showed even further the more you water it down...its just another FPS. And I'm tired of FPS's they are just over saturating the market. That's why I have high hopes for Deus Ex 3 is that they move away from just being an action game with a few upgrades. I hope they have hardcore RPG elements in Deus Ex 3 like great customization and gameplay choice (almost Class based choices of gameplay). I would not mind having action in it at all. But to me I think if they go too far in that direction like BioShock or so forth it strips what makes an RPG. We have enough Action games with RPG Elements. I want an RPG with action elements. So I agree in some aspects, and think there is room to evolve the RPG's. But in some areas I think it goes too much towards just an action game. __________________ "If you don’t care about the characters, nothing matters. No space ship, no explosion, no anything is important if you don’t feel something for the people involved."J.J. Abrams (2/5/13)

06-06-2010, 02:53 PM	#36
Soapy All about the back-end. Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 12,600	Re: Deus Ex: Human Revolution No, I agree with you. That feeling of progression is important. Not just to RPGs, but all games. I feel like using Mass Effect 1 isn't a great example of it though. Like, didn't it feel a bit silly in the early stages of the game when Shepard's aim was horrendous? I mean Commander Shepard is already a badass elite commando at the beginning of the game and yet he can't hit the broad side of the barn to save his life? I feel like a big problem is that we, as gamers, tend to be obsessed with labeling things. Action RPG, RPG action game, action game with RPG elements, etc. It doesn't really matter in the end as long as it appeals to you. I feel like we'll be a lot better off once we accept that not everything has to fit under a nice, neat label. Take or leave a game based on it's own merits. __________________ Your game music of the week: "Town Where the Bells Chime" from Atelier Iris VIDEO-CLick to Watch!:

06-10-2010, 11:20 AM	#37
Flash Facts Side-Kick Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 761	Re: Deus Ex: Human Revolution "Eurogamer~ Deus Ex:Human Revolution Blowout"

06-20-2010, 08:21 PM	#38
Why Are You Crouching Spock? Banned User Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 10,907	Re: Deus Ex: Human Revolution http://screwattack.com/videos/Behind...Revolution-pt1 http://screwattack.com/videos/Behind...Revolution-pt2 Dues Ex Conviction: Modern Guns Of The Patriots 2.

06-20-2010, 09:50 PM	#39
Soapy All about the back-end. Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 12,600	Re: Deus Ex: Human Revolution It's looking really promising so far. __________________ Your game music of the week: "Town Where the Bells Chime" from Atelier Iris VIDEO-CLick to Watch!:

06-21-2010, 02:40 PM	#40
ChrisBaleBatman Legendary Hero Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Shadow Moses Posts: 17,352	Re: Deus Ex: Human Revolution I own Deus Ex for the Xbox. I think I pickedit up for like $5 or something last year. It felt too dated to play through. But, what the hell. I think I'll try and hunker through it. I'm a sucker for an RPG with a good story. I can forgive alot if I have fun with the leveling up, and the story.

06-28-2010, 02:19 PM	#41
Flash Facts Side-Kick Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 761	Re: Deus Ex: Human Revolution I just watched the leaked demo. It looks promising. I kinda wish there was more body awareness though.

06-30-2010, 10:16 PM	#42
The Squirrel Not a Racist Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Up a tree Posts: 16,863	Re: Deus Ex: Human Revolution PC Gamer has a good preview of it in this month's issue.

09-17-2010, 03:03 PM	#43
eternalinferno Side-Kick Join Date: May 2009 Posts: 1,269	Re: Deus Ex: Human Revolution this TGS trailer is amazing http://tgs.gamespot.com/video/627625...3Bplay_btn%3B3

09-18-2010, 09:45 PM	#44
Crockett With Teeth Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 5,580	Re: Deus Ex: Human Revolution A impressing trailer to say the least, it looks like a solid game and can't wait to see more of it. __________________ The stuff that dreams are made of.

09-18-2010, 09:57 PM	#45
Why Are You Crouching Spock? Banned User Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 10,907	Re: Deus Ex: Human Revolution I really liked the music. The villainous looking characters a bit too much like Metal Gear solid rejects for my liking.

09-19-2010, 03:16 PM	#48
Paroxysm Banned User Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Vancouver BC Canada Posts: 8,072	Re: Deus Ex: Human Revolution The new trailer is awesome. I love the character design.

11-18-2010, 08:59 PM	#49
Crockett With Teeth Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 5,580	Re: Deus Ex: Human Revolution New gameplay trailer. VIDEO-CLick to Watch!: __________________ The stuff that dreams are made of.

11-18-2010, 09:17 PM	#50
misjuevos D'ast Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Knowhere Posts: 3,533	Re: Deus Ex: Human Revolution don't really like first person games. i still want to try this though __________________ "fear should not exist in your mind, if you fear you will never accomplish anything"

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