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Old 03-18-2010, 12:37 PM   #301
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Let's assign credit where credit's due: You really think these new "bankable" names were Johnston's choices? Really?! We KNOW what he wanted for the role, and this was not it. This is so obviously the studio at work because JJ didn't find an "unknown" choice that satisfied them. So before you go demanding that JJ be kicked off the project for "choosing" Tatum, you might as well demand that Marvel be kicked off their own property, since they're the ones most-likely responsible for these most recent candidates (remember, they tried bringing Tatum onto Thor as well before Branagh shot it down). JJ may actually be our last line of defense here, the one guy who could still say "Hell no, I don't want that kid in my movie."

So maybe hold off on sharpening your pitchforks?
You kick Johnston off, the studio (again, the party almost guaranteed to be responsible for Tatum) takes over the casting process while they ALSO search for a new director. So not only would you get a largely profit-driven decision, but also a rushed/distracted one.

I also feel the need to add that yes, this is the Marvel Studios who made all the "cool" decisions with regards to people behind Iron Man and Thor. BUT that wisdom only goes so far as choosing the people whose movies/sensibilities they like for their characters, and leaving it to them to make the creative decisions. It doesn't go towards making the movies themselves. The point: Marvel Studios ARE NOT FILMMAKERS. Need I remind you that Jon Favreau had to do some major convincing to get them to let him cast RDJ (and again, the Tatum/Thor thing). They are, first and foremost, a MOVIE STUDIO, and naturally, a movie studio thinks with their wallets first. There's a reason the studio only chooses the people who make the creative decisions, and then just watch over their shoulders. You knock off the director and get the studio making the creative decisions, then you REALLY set the movie up for disaster.

They chose Johnston for the same reasons they chose Favreau and Branagh (who, I'd like to add, has made some s****y movies himself, along with a couple of great ones), because they think his style fits the material and they liked his vision for the character. And THAT's the decision-making that Marvel has actually proven to be pretty good at. And that's the only decision we have reason to be confident in them making. We do not want them calling the actual creative decisions on this movie.

Sorry for the rant, but I feel like some comics fans are putting Marvel Studios on a pedestal that they should never really be on.

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By the interviews, I love the ideas JJ seems to have for Cap. Sorry if I don't share everyone's pessimism for the film, but I think he has a good grasp on the material, and will deliver a solid film. Now, this is a circus thanks to Marvel, I must agree with flickchick. JJ said he wanted an unknown, now we are getting more "now" people in the mix. Why? Because Marvel wants it. But, that doesn't mean the film will suck because I think JJ will deliver with what he is given, based on what he has said in regard to the film. I like JJ. I don't buy the script rumor thing, etc. I'll judge when I see the film.

I am not worried about this film

You guys have to also remember, Cap is the hardest of the characters Marvel has handled to make a film for. EASILY, the most difficult. Many things must be taken into account with Cap that don't with IM, Hulk, or Thor. He is harder to cast, he is harder to make not controversial internationally, he is harder to decide how to explain his origin because he essentially has 2 of them, he doesn't have flashy superpowers, etc. This film is no easy undertaking, and much harder than Hulk, Thor, or Iron Man.

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filmchick, I'd much rather have Ed Brubaker write the script for Cap than Narnia Boys.

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The Narnia films are not bad, though. Prince Caspian wasn't as good as the first film, but I still liked both. It's not like they hired the people who made the _______ Movies to write the script. They chose people that actually made good scripts. Why the worry?

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I would point out why you're all freaking out way too early and give a million logical reasons on why this is taking this long and point out that the film is still on schedule to meet its shooting dates, but I don't see a point. This is the whiniest group of fans on the site. Seriously, every day that we don't hear who Cap is, everyone gets more and more insane. Now we're calling for JJ's and the scriptwriter's heads when we have not even seen a script? Or heard any RELIABLE sources on the script? Nor know any film details outside of what JJ has told us and the casting rumors for Red Skull, Peggy/Betsy, and Cap?

I don't see why you guys are so pessimistic. Even if it sucks, it's just a movie guys. Cap is my 2nd favorite superhero, but I am not going to freak out about this project as it stands right now. I see no reason to worry. We wouldn't even be this worried if JJ hadn't said he WANTED the role cast by March 1st. He didn't say he HAD to have him cast by then.
I think I'm going to co-sign your post.

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Yup - definately co-signed.

So Marvel are engaged in a lengthy casting processand people are complaining - doen't a lengthy casting process not mean that they are making doubly sure that the guy they eventually choose will be right for the job?

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The Narnia films are not bad, though. Prince Caspian wasn't as good as the first film, but I still liked both. It's not like they hired the people who made the _______ Movies to write the script. They chose people that actually made good scripts. Why the worry?
I'd still rather have Ed Brubaker.

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It's alright Brian, it's just the natural process for the intense fanboys... the longer they go without some form of news or gossip to dissect, the more they go into 'code red' mode, with all the "this film will fail", replace the director!..... yeah, because changing the director at this stage and getting a new script wouldn't disrupt the process at all.....

Seriously, trying to use logic with some of these fans is like trying to convince a Dalek to give someone a hug.

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It's alright Brian, it's just the natural process for the intense fanboys... the longer they go without some form of news or gossip to dissect, the more they go into 'code red' mode, with all the "this film will fail", replace the director!..... yeah, because changing the director at this stage and getting a new script wouldn't disrupt the process at all.....

Seriously, trying to use logic with some of these fans is like trying to convince a Dalek to give someone a hug.

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So Marvel are engaged in a lengthy casting processand people are complaining - doen't a lengthy casting process not mean that they are making doubly sure that the guy they eventually choose will be right for the job?
Agreed. People say Marvel isn't taking their casting of Cap seriously, but the fact they have not settled for anyone implies the opposite to me. They understand how important this casting is in the grand scheme, and don't want to mess up. If they did, they would have settled for the first person of the first final 6 to agree to the contract. Not keep bringing in new people constantly to explore options. Yes, some of these options suck, but I don't see a problem with Marvel exploring.

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I would rather Sony not be making a USM based Spider-Man reboot, but we can't always get what we want. This is why I don't marry myself with 1 person in regard to a film. If you think things must be 1 way, you doom the film in your mind before you see it. Would Brubaker write a good script? Most likely yes, but to say he would and the Narnia people are not capable of making a good Cap script I don't agree with. And this is what you seem to be implying by pointing out who the writers are and who you want the writer to be.

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Yup - definately co-signed.

So Marvel are engaged in a lengthy casting processand people are complaining - doen't a lengthy casting process not mean that they are making doubly sure that the guy they eventually choose will be right for the job?
Normally, yes. But when it's taking your time choosing between crap actor A, crap actor B, or crap actor C, does it really matter how much time they take to make that decision?

Now obviously they are not all crap actors, but this list is completely unimpressive. And if this turns out to be the final list, then how careful they are in their decision making progress instills no confidence in me because of what the inevitable outcome will be(someone I don't really care for).

I just hope we get an actor not yet on any lists and that is why they are taking their time.

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I personally have no issues with the screenwriters. I thought they did a great job with both Narnia films. They added a lot more depth to the characters in Wardrobe, a story that is VERY light on character development. And they took Caspian, one of the crappiest excuses for a fantasy novel I've ever read, and turned it into a pretty good movie.

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Normally, yes. But when it's taking your time choosing between crap actor A, crap actor B, or crap actor C, does it really matter how much time they take to make that decision?

Now obviously they are not all crap actors, but this list is completely unimpressive. And if this turns out to be the final list, then how careful they are in their decision making progress instills no confidence in me because of what the inevitable outcome will be(someone I don't really care for).

I just hope we get an actor not yet on any lists and that is why they are taking their time.
We actually have no idea who they're considering.. whether those names have auditioned or not, there is no way all the news sites would be in the know 24/7 over every possible contender... the way things are now, every time a new name is added, its headlines like "will Channing Tatum be Cap"? When the reality is, we actually have no real idea which particular candidates are favourites.... Some fans take gossip and unconfirmed news (with no named sources) completely at face value, which is just stupid.

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Normally, yes. But when it's taking your time choosing between crap actor A, crap actor B, or crap actor C, does it really matter how much time they take to make that decision?

Now obviously they are not all crap actors, but this list is completely unimpressive. And if this turns out to be the final list, then how careful they are in their decision making progress instills no confidence in me because of what the inevitable outcome will be(someone I don't really care for).

I just hope we get an actor not yet on any lists and that is why they are taking their time.
We actually have no idea who they're considering.. whether those names have auditioned or not, there is no way all the news sites would be in the know 24/7 over every possible contender... the way things are now, every time a new name is added, its headlines like "will Channing Tatum be Cap"? When the reality is, we actually have no real idea which particular candidates are favourites.... Some fans take gossip and unconfirmed news (with no named sources) completely at face value, which is just stupid.

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The Narnia films are not bad, though. Prince Caspian wasn't as good as the first film, but I still liked both. It's not like they hired the people who made the _______ Movies to write the script. They chose people that actually made good scripts. Why the worry?
Honestly, I liked Prince Caspian a lot more than the original. But agreed, they did hire proven writers.
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Agreed. People say Marvel isn't taking their casting of Cap seriously, but the fact they have not settled for anyone implies the opposite to me. They understand how important this casting is in the grand scheme, and don't want to mess up. If they did, they would have settled for the first person of the first final 6 to agree to the contract. Not keep bringing in new people constantly to explore options. Yes, some of these options suck, but I don't see a problem with Marvel exploring.
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No offense, but that's like wanting JK Rowling to write the HP screenplays. She's good in her chosen medium and knows the characters/universe best, but she knows jacks*** about screenwriting. And they're not remotely similar. Ed Brubaker is unproven as a screenwriter. I agree in wishing that they would have done better than the Narnia guys, but at least they have experience (and their scripts for those movies weren't bad, plus they wrote that Peter Sellers movie for HBO that was pretty good, too). If I were to choose a replacement, though, it would be a proven screenwriter. Maybe Brubaker could act as a consultant, but I wouldn't feel confident with him writing the script.

And again, not that you think otherwise but just so everyone's on the same page, that was a Marvel decision, not a Johnston one.

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So if it comes down to Channing Tatum and Dane Cook, who would be worse?

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Normally, yes. But when it's taking your time choosing between crap actor A, crap actor B, or crap actor C, does it really matter how much time they take to make that decision?

Now obviously they are not all crap actors, but this list is completely unimpressive. And if this turns out to be the final list, then how careful they are in their decision making progress instills no confidence in me because of what the inevitable outcome will be(someone I don't really care for).

I just hope we get an actor not yet on any lists and that is why they are taking their time.
Auditioning for a role doesn't mean you're going to get the role. It just means they explored you. For all we know, Tatum was a 1 and done audition. Not a call back. We don't know who of the candidates they have auditioned Marvel is really considering. Businesses very often give job interviews to people who have no shot at the job. Just look at the NFL coach hiring process.

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I personally have no issues with the screenwriters. I thought they did a great job with both Narnia films. They added a lot more depth to the characters in Wardrobe, a story that is VERY light on character development. And they took Caspian, one of the crappiest excuses for a fantasy novel I've ever read, and turned it into a pretty good movie.
I have not read the book, but I do agree the films were solid and well rounded in regard to character development. They are not poorly written or structured films at all, so I don't see why them doing Narnia makes them bad. Just because Narnia is intended for young audiences? I think the structure aspects and character writing are more important to take from Narnia than the tone. Cap's tone naturally will be different.

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We actually have no idea who they're considering.. whether those names have auditioned or not, there is no way all the news sites would be in the know 24/7 over every possible contender... the way things are now, every time a new name is added, its headlines like "will Channing Tatum be Cap"? When the reality is, we actually have no real idea which particular candidates are favourites.... Some fans take gossip and unconfirmed news (with no named sources) completely at face value, which is just stupid.
Agreed

24 hour news cycles have ruined reporting

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Aesop, in answer to your sig', yes. Yes I do :P

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Thats why it's gonna suck when online news completely replaces print media, because the focus will go into getting the latest news as fast as possible, rather than properly researching or following up leads. We're all going to turn into gossip fiends, feeding of the most recent and up to date news, rather than actually sitting back and processing and analysing.... Lol, then again, working in the industry has made me a cynic

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It can't be hysterical and depressing at once. Pick one.

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I think he means that the fans are being hysterical, resulting in the level headed people getting depressed Team Prozac!

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Thats why it's gonna suck when online news completely replaces print media, because the focus will go into getting the latest news as fast as possible, rather than properly researching or following up leads. We're all going to turn into gossip fiends, feeding of the most recent and up to date news, rather than actually sitting back and processing and analysing.... Lol, then again, working in the industry has made me a cynic
That, and these 24 hour channels do nothing but focus on 1 issue and talk about it to death. They also impose their personal bias in order to keep their base audience happy. I hate that they interject their opinionated views as facts on news reports in order to make you think a certain way. Reporting is supposed to be about the facts, and 24/7 news has ruined what the central point of the news was. We have taken facts out of reporting and raised a population of people that won't properly research

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Clearly Spider-Fan and Wolvieboy have no concept of the inherent dangers involved when slinging fresh logic around these boards.

Don't you guys know about the script problems? Can't you see that Marvel is obviously unable to cast this film and the end result will bring us all to ruin?

It's true I swear to God I READ IT ON SOME GUYS TWITTER!

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