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Old 03-31-2010, 07:40 PM   #1
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On January 11th, Sony Pictures announced that there would not be a "Spider-Man 4". THis was after numerous announcements, months of planning and the promised return of director SAm Raimi and the stars Tobey Maguire and Kirsten Dunst. Apparently there were some major creative differences between Raimi-who had delivered two quality (and widely popular and successful) installments, and SOny, who seemed intent on controlling every aspect of the film. The studio decided instead of continuing the story or allowing Raimi creative autonomy, to re-start or, as fans have come to refer to it, "reboot" the franchise. This means that the nesxt film will have no connection whatsoever to the previous series, much like "Batman Begins".
I am bothered by this because it was clearly a business decision. Not an artistic or creative decision. It's not that there was simply no way to move forward. It's not that Raimi & Co. had failed irredeemable. The widely lambasted (yet still commercially successful) 3rd movie's true downfall lay in the inclusion of Venom, something that Sam Raimi had repeatedly stated he did not want. He didn't like Venom, he didn't want Venom, and there was no room for Venom in the project as he had planned it. He gave in, he compromised his vision, rebuilt the entire story to justify Venom's presence and the villain proved to simultaneously be both the movie's biggest draw and its biggest disappointment in fans' eyes. But in the hope of capturing the latest filmmaking craze and chasing the numbers pulled down by "The Dark Knight", Sony is spitting in the faces of everyone who supported Raimi's movies. I think it's simply wrong. I know money is important but the bean counters shouldn't be pushing the creators around. The two sides need to trust each other and not jump on the latest bandwagon. Restarting the Batman franchise was a necessary step. There was no way to move forward. That is not the case here. What worked for one does not work for all.

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Old 04-01-2010, 01:06 PM   #2
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although I liked TIH, It proved your final sentence. It made LESS than the first, and we aren't sure if there's even gonna be a sequel.

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I loved TIH, but part of the problem-I think-is that many people thought it was a sequel to the 2003 movie. Many people still think that, even having seen the movie. So that hurt its box office take, given that its predecessor wasn't very popular. Which is another problem I have with all this rebooting-it's confusing to the GA. I think the only reason why a lot of times we know the difference is because we follow the production from start to finish.

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Oh I agree. skip the opening credits and a few other things, and TIH is Very much a sequel to Hulk. and I know alot of my friends are going to be asking "what the--? where's tobey maguire?"

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Yeah, this REALLY needed a thread of it's own.

I mean.. "Who Feels Sick" thread or a hundred of the others could in NO WAY contain the relevant thoughts here.

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Yup.

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Old 04-03-2010, 03:08 AM   #7
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I was hoping from someone with "IAmSpiderMan" or someone on YouTube crying over something...

I guess this will do.

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I guess LF.

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Old 04-03-2010, 03:51 PM   #9
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Yeah, this REALLY needed a thread of it's own.

I mean.. "Who Feels Sick" thread or a hundred of the others could in NO WAY contain the relevant thoughts here.
Did you complain when Sarcastic Fan posted his pro-reboot blog?

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I guess LF.
We agree on something, hahahaha

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I loved TIH, but part of the problem-I think-is that many people thought it was a sequel to the 2003 movie. Many people still think that, even having seen the movie. So that hurt its box office take, given that its predecessor wasn't very popular. Which is another problem I have with all this rebooting-it's confusing to the GA. I think the only reason why a lot of times we know the difference is because we follow the production from start to finish.
TIH was average and formulaistic enough to have made more money, I agree.

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I understand how you feel. But there's nothing that can be done at this point.

Despite everything, I'm glad we got 3 movies with the same cast and crew. I mean it might not have been perfect and what Raimi and everyone else wanted but I'm glad they did the 3 movies and I mean just realize, that without those movies we probably wouldn't be here right now.

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Old 04-29-2010, 09:40 AM   #13
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I, too and mad but perhaps this is the best move. Think of it like an alternate reality or something and go into this new movie with an open mind.

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I'm trying to.

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On January 11th, Sony Pictures announced that there would not be a "Spider-Man 4". THis was after numerous announcements, months of planning and the promised return of director SAm Raimi and the stars Tobey Maguire and Kirsten Dunst. Apparently there were some major creative differences between Raimi-who had delivered two quality (and widely popular and successful) installments, and SOny, who seemed intent on controlling every aspect of the film. The studio decided instead of continuing the story or allowing Raimi creative autonomy, to re-start or, as fans have come to refer to it, "reboot" the franchise. This means that the nesxt film will have no connection whatsoever to the previous series, much like "Batman Begins".
I am bothered by this because it was clearly a business decision. Not an artistic or creative decision. It's not that there was simply no way to move forward. It's not that Raimi & Co. had failed irredeemable. The widely lambasted (yet still commercially successful) 3rd movie's true downfall lay in the inclusion of Venom, something that Sam Raimi had repeatedly stated he did not want. He didn't like Venom, he didn't want Venom, and there was no room for Venom in the project as he had planned it. He gave in, he compromised his vision, rebuilt the entire story to justify Venom's presence and the villain proved to simultaneously be both the movie's biggest draw and its biggest disappointment in fans' eyes. But in the hope of capturing the latest filmmaking craze and chasing the numbers pulled down by "The Dark Knight", Sony is spitting in the faces of everyone who supported Raimi's movies. I think it's simply wrong. I know money is important but the bean counters shouldn't be pushing the creators around. The two sides need to trust each other and not jump on the latest bandwagon. Restarting the Batman franchise was a necessary step. There was no way to move forward. That is not the case here. What worked for one does not work for all.
I am so sick of hearing this from fans. It wasn't 100% Sony's fault this franchise is getting a reboot. Raimi left on his own free will because he couldn't direct SM4 to the best of his abilities and finish it by 2011 and also because he had other projects coming up. Raimi himself told Sony to continue and do whatever they want. Am I saying that it's 100% Raimi's fault? No. But it really annoys me how people treat Sony as the evil masterminds behind this whole thing.

And I know many will say to me "Well, why didn't Sony give Raimi more time?"
Sony already gave Raimi two extensions. They weren't allowed to give him anymore extensions (I don't know why though).

Another thing that people said to me is "Why didn't they just get a new director and continue with SM4?"
About 2 years ago, Tobey said that he refuses to come back unless Raimi directs 4. If they get a new director, he will leave the project. Kirsten Dunst said she refused to do SM4 without both Raimi and Tobey.

Therefore, Sam Raimi leaving = Tobey leaving = Kirsten leaving.

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This was probably the best move due to several reasons:
1. SM4 would have had Vulture as the only villain. Vulture can't carry a movie by himself. The movie would have not been amazing but average.
2. The franchise wasn't going anywhere. In the first movie, GG was killed. In the second movie, Doc Ock was killed. In the third movie, Venom and New Goblin were killed while Sandman became a good guy and no longer a villain. SM4 would have had only Vulture and he would have probably died at the end. Raimi also said that he prefers to use only 1 villain in every movie instead of 2 or more. SM5 would have had another villain and SM6 would have had ANOTHER villain. The franchise wasn't going anywhere. It's not like it was going to end with some huge battle where all the villains gather or anything like that. The last 3 Spidey movies would have just been great good movies but with no twists and ongoing story.
4. We could improve a lot of things now. We could have a funny Spidey, a hot MJ, a better Green Goblin suit, a more corrupt Norman Osborn, etc. People have to stop looking at just the negative side of this decision but also at the positive side.

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It's funny that you get tired of hearing about the reboot, because of those complaints that you just listed, they never get old.

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Old 05-08-2010, 12:17 PM   #18
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^^ All people do who hate these films think that they have say in the matter ,yet we don't. Sorry, guys, but us Raimi Spidey film fans have as much say as you do. There is NOTHING untrue about that.

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The problem is SM3 is a crappy movie with or without Venom.

Raimi was leaning towards repeating the same mistakes with Spider-man 4.

So him leaving SM4 was a creative decision.

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Yeah, this REALLY needed a thread of it's own.

I mean.. "Who Feels Sick" thread or a hundred of the others could in NO WAY contain the relevant thoughts here.
And yet; here you are, posting in it.

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Its weird, I keep forgetting that the reboot even exists...and then it rears its ugly head again. But i'm probably going to see the reboot anyways. Because I loved TIH way more than Hulk. (in fact, TIH is one of my top 5 Marvel films)

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On January 11th, Sony Pictures announced that there would not be a "Spider-Man 4". THis was after numerous announcements, months of planning and the promised return of director SAm Raimi and the stars Tobey Maguire and Kirsten Dunst. Apparently there were some major creative differences between Raimi-who had delivered two quality (and widely popular and successful) installments, and SOny, who seemed intent on controlling every aspect of the film. The studio decided instead of continuing the story or allowing Raimi creative autonomy, to re-start or, as fans have come to refer to it, "reboot" the franchise. This means that the nesxt film will have no connection whatsoever to the previous series, much like "Batman Begins".
I am bothered by this because it was clearly a business decision. Not an artistic or creative decision. It's not that there was simply no way to move forward. It's not that Raimi & Co. had failed irredeemable. The widely lambasted (yet still commercially successful) 3rd movie's true downfall lay in the inclusion of Venom, something that Sam Raimi had repeatedly stated he did not want. He didn't like Venom, he didn't want Venom, and there was no room for Venom in the project as he had planned it. He gave in, he compromised his vision, rebuilt the entire story to justify Venom's presence and the villain proved to simultaneously be both the movie's biggest draw and its biggest disappointment in fans' eyes. But in the hope of capturing the latest filmmaking craze and chasing the numbers pulled down by "The Dark Knight", Sony is spitting in the faces of everyone who supported Raimi's movies. I think it's simply wrong. I know money is important but the bean counters shouldn't be pushing the creators around. The two sides need to trust each other and not jump on the latest bandwagon. Restarting the Batman franchise was a necessary step. There was no way to move forward. That is not the case here. What worked for one does not work for all.
i agree the bean counters shoudn't control the moviemaking

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And yet they are.

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I can't say that the news about Field or Sheen is filling me with optimism, either.

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Ha ha ha ha you don't think Sally Field or Martin Sheen are good actors, who are well suited to those roles? You've always been an idiot, but this is taking it to new levels.

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