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Old 04-03-2010, 08:25 AM   #1
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With Nolan on board, I expect him to bring the same sensibilities that he brought to Batman - to make the character and his world a bit more believable. Imagine you're Nolan, how would you take the concept and tweak it for a modern audience - keeping in mind that it would have to be in such a way that you almost feel like this could really happen (albeit in a 'Hyper-reality')

I'll save my take for later on. More interested in what everyone else has to say.

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This is a good question David. I cant wait to see how they will bring about superman's world. For me i want them to really take in the whole scifi/comicbook feel for things. But do keep certain things grounded to a believeable point as you said.

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You simply slap yourself in the face and realize that Superman already lives in a believable world.

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The "alien between us" factor should be there. Superman could be considered a hero by most but many would be raising moral questions. There should be a lot of skepticals also.

And I want to see how glasses can disguise perfectly your look.

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With Nolan on board, I expect him to bring the same sensibilities that he brought to Batman - to make the character and his world a bit more believable. Imagine you're Nolan, how would you take the concept and tweak it for a modern audience - keeping in mind that it would have to be in such a way that you almost feel like this could really happen (albeit in a 'Hyper-reality')

I'll save my take for later on. More interested in what everyone else has to say.


You just take the present real world, and throw Superman and Brainiac into it.


It's that simple. Two hyper-realistic characters in a realistic world.


They haven't done that with Superman yet, but it would work well and make his story more relatable. It would make Superman seem like such a shocking outworldly phenomenon that challenges our perceptions of reality.

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The glasses thing works because people aren't looking at Superman and wondering who is he is. They know who he is, he's Superman. He's this godlike being that could in no way live as a human being. Even if someone gets the thought in their head that Clark could be Superman, they'd likely dismiss it as quickly as they would if they thought for an instant that Clark (or some other random guy on the street) is Jesus Christ.

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Eh...for me to imagine a more 'real world' take on Superman and have it be contemporary would require significant changes to the most fundamental elements of Superman - the origin, the costume, etc. - with the more fantastic elements rooted in the sort of 'used 'n' gritty'/'immaculate reality' territory of sci-fi ("A New Hope", "Alien", "Blade Runner", "Robocop", etc.). It would probably end up being more trouble than it's worth to me to take that route.

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Once you accept that there's a god-like alien that looks like a human being (i.e. Superman), everything else falls into place.

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I really REALLY hope its not too realistic. SR kinda sorta felt that way to me regardless of what I was seeing onscreen and it kinda left me with an empty feeling. Some realism is alright, I just hope they don't go overboard with it.

If anything, I would think they (WB) learned not to go that route again after SR. It worked for Batman for sure, but this ain't Batman.
This film, imo, should embrace the sci-fi and fantasy elements of Superman, not try to ground them in realism.

Side note, I'd really love to see Clark wear brown contacts as well as glasses.

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Superman Returns was kinda realistic.
The changes would be make Lex a more beliveable charactor, by not making him stupid and campy. Make him a rich, greedy, self serving, Lex Corp owner with a better than you complex. Then Superman would be the only one he would view as his equal and then dispise him for it.
Then have Superman stay away from Lois as Superman or Clark but not the other and watch over her but not get so close that she can get a good look to tell who he is. Then try and stay away from getting his pics taken close up.
Make Superman since he is gonna be in his own world not too Super. Have limits but still be able to do crazy amazing things.
put the whole thing in a real world but SI FI situatuion and Blam!

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Take away the campy acting and define Supermans power set and your fine. If anything I want to see Nolan challenge Supermans morals, convictions and faith in humanity like he did with Batman.

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the fight must involves the public!!! the people!!!
don't just make 2 big men fighting each other like hulk or wrlesting game!!!


views for the 3rd people eye's witnessing the incredible destruction.

again ENGAGE THE PUBLIC AND THE PEOPLE INTO THE FINAL ACT!!!

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The "alien between us" factor should be there. Superman could be considered a hero by most but many would be raising moral questions. There should be a lot of skepticals also.

And I want to see how glasses can disguise perfectly your look.
Yep. Superman himself can't easily be made realistic because of his powers, but the society surrounding him and their reactions to him can be.

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With Nolan on board, I expect him to bring the same sensibilities that he brought to Batman - to make the character and his world a bit more believable. Imagine you're Nolan, how would you take the concept and tweak it for a modern audience - keeping in mind that it would have to be in such a way that you almost feel like this could really happen (albeit in a 'Hyper-reality')

I'll save my take for later on. More interested in what everyone else has to say.

Hmmm…

In the REAL world?

I will have to post later again, in a bit of a hurry now, but I would have part of the story dealing with how he conveys to humanity that he is not a god.

People would mistakenly worship him, and others would be enraged that he does not bring humanity into some golden age of piece.

He has the power to end any war for example. To enforce what others see as the good.

I think a major issue would be for him to convince humanity that the reason he does not do so is that he if he were to do such things, he would be making himself a god, which he is not.

He would have to constantly remind people that he is only an alien with vast power, and the reason he does not end wars is that it is a human affair the he must stay out of.

He can help protect us from other Alien threats, can save lives in a disaster, can foil a terrorist plot, and the so forth, but he cannot take control of the reins like a messiah, for it is not his place.

Convincing humanity of this would likely be a challenge.

They may expect him to be more than just an Alien friend that is "here to help".

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Some great comments so far... really!

El Payaso's comment about the alien between (did you mean 'among') us ties right into Supermike was saying about how he's trying NOT to be a god.

More of Mike's comments tie right in with sf2 and Racheldawes said about the public perceptions of Superman. My own thought on that his time not in costume would become even more important to him. He'd need even more to just be a regular, non-attention getting Clark just to keep himself grounded. In fact, I think it's why he'd need to have Martha and Jonathan still around.

Chamber-music's comment about changing Superman's morals is an interesting comment. Just how did you mean that?

and Man Of Tomorrow ... you hit on a very important point... the world and characters around him need to be realistic. Just like what Nolan did with Batman's supporting cast and setting.


Keep the comments coming... as a group we're awesome.


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I really REALLY hope its not too realistic. SR kinda sorta felt that way to me regardless of what I was seeing onscreen and it kinda left me with an empty feeling. Some realism is alright, I just hope they don't go overboard with it.

If anything, I would think they (WB) learned not to go that route again after SR. It worked for Batman for sure, but this ain't Batman.
This film, imo, should embrace the sci-fi and fantasy elements of Superman, not try to ground them in realism.

Side note, I'd really love to see Clark wear brown contacts as well as glasses.

The studio has said plenty of times after SR that the next film will be darker and grittier (ie: more realistic).

Obviously they felt SR wasn't realistic enough.

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What will sell Superman as existing in the real world will peoples' reaction to him. Look at the movie Independence Day-- conceptually, the idea that flying saucers would appear above every major city is somewhat absurd, but the way the regular people from all walks of life react to it is what sells it. The existence of a comic book-style superhero in reality should raise all manner of questions. The military, police, politicians, average Joes and Jodies living out their lives... All of them should have believable reactions to this colorful new character who has appeared in their city.

Me and my brother actually had a few ideas for a real-world Superman story that we thought were pretty good. One of them was that the police, fire fighters, and other emergency workers were all afraid of Superman because he's threatening their job security, but then later Superman would give some kind of speech about how he's there to do the things that normal people can't do on their own, and how things like putting out fires and catching robbers are not a job for superman. This would actually be a reference to the Fleischer cartoons, because if you notice the Fleischer Clark Kent would not say "this looks like a job for Superman" until it was obvious that the police were overwhelmed and needed his help. This would also explain why Superman hasn't turned Metropolis into a crimeless utopia, because he does not want to overreach.

Another idea, which chronologically would occur before this, was that some people would start to get the idea that Superman is such a goodie goodie that they can get him to do whatever they want, to the point where a crazed Superman "fanboy" of sorts declares online that he's going to jump off of a building, and he'll die unless Superman saves him. Obviously, Superman does save him, but then the general public gets the perception that they own him now, and Superman has to prove that he's not just a tool that can be exploited and manipulated.

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Timstuff I agree I like what you said. What Nolans did well with Batman is show the reaction to a superhero living in acity and the effect it has.

There was the scene of drug dealers not wanting to do deals at night, the mob holding secret meetings in fear of Batman, the gotham public unsure if Batmans a friend or foe, his ability to inspire (copycay Batmen, rise of freaks like Joker and Gordon taking action). Batman changed the enviroment of his city and it would be intresting to see how people in metropolis and the wider world deal with a superpowerful alien who also aims to inspire good in people to react.
[QUOTE]Some great comments so far... really!

Chamber-music's comment about changing Superman's morals is an interesting comment. Just how did you mean that?
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I mean how the Joker and Ras challenged Batmans principles and views. I would like to see nolan bring some of that. The Joker tried corrupting Batman and Gotham (trying to get Batman to kill, the people on boats to kill each other).

Supermans belief in humanity to do the right thing and that we are people worth protecting challenged by a villain. You may not be able to hurt supes but you can it would be intresting seeing some shake his beliefs.

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I would just make the characters "Real world" give them real world problems etc, everythinf else is freaking fantasy and fiction, or else you risk the habbit of people going to see a movie about thier world, instead of supermans.

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Honestly, I think in the real world, many people would react with fear to an alien revealing himself on Earth. As humans we're conditioned to fear what's different..

I think that's the perfect way for Lex Luthor to exploit Metropolis' apprehension and try to turn people against Superman; Luthor trying to become Metropolis' savior.

Superman will need to prove himself in the film and the end could have the reverse ending to Dark Knight, instead of being exiled as a villain, he would be embraced as a hero.

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Honestly, I think in the real world, many people would react with fear to an alien revealing himself on Earth. As humans we're conditioned to fear what's different..

I think that's the perfect way for Lex Luthor to exploit Metropolis' apprehension and try to turn people against Superman; Luthor trying to become Metropolis' savior.

Superman will need to prove himself in the film and the end could have the reverse ending to Dark Knight, instead of being exiled as a villain, he would be embraced as a hero.
That sounds Pretty good.

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"This is the true story... of one Kryptonian...and a few reporters...and a maniacal business mogul...picked to live in a city...work together...fight each other...and have their lives taped... to find out what happens... when people stop being polite... and start getting real..."

Hey, you put "Real World" in proper quotes, what was I supposed to think?


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Well, the "hook" that seperates Superman's world from ours should be that aliens exist, and that alone opens up a lot of doors. If alien technology falls into the hands of humans, it can be reverse engineered into all manner of strange new weapons and creations, like Metallo, whom I think should be reverse-engineered from Kryptonian technology (possibly even Brainiac). That IMO should be the plot device that reconciles the fantasy with reality.

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I would say that the key is keeping Superman just as awe-inspiring as he can possibly be while displaying him in a very realistic environment. This is not Timm's animated show, so I say stay away from making the environment all future-techish or as with SR, semi-noir. I want to imagine that Superman could really show up in a real, live city that has a Starbucks on every corner or a local sports team or whatever.

Also, showing the impact that Supes' has on the people due to his ability to inspire others would also be a key to it. This is why I've always liked Bibbo. During the W.W.A.S. storyline he went out and tried to be a hero himself. Even if it was just rescuing some abandoned puppies. That's the kind of stuff I like to see.

Also, make Metropolis seem like a real American city that you'd actually be able to go to. While I liked Dyas' work in SR a lot from a technical standpoint, I also felt that it was overly complicating something that should've been much more simple and in turn realistic. This is the one thing that Donner's Superman did very well. Just use New York. There's a natural "used history" much like John Barry did for Star Wars' "used future."

Batman Begins really made good use of the scientific aspect of Batman's bag of tricks...but the whole butt-kicking aspect and his raw skill are what brings it all together. THAT is what helped to sell it for him. I don't want to have to believe that Superman is as amazing as he's supposed to be...I need to KNOW it without question.

As far as his enemies go? The sky is the limit. Keep the sandbox the same, but the toys inside can be as fantastical as you wanna get. I say, bring Darkseid, Mongul or any of the other baddies that we've only seen in the books. With a realistic backdrop, it'd really up the ante with an amazing villain or villains in play. Regardless of whether or not I liked the films (and I'm not a huge fan), that is one thing that Transformers did well. Display some amazing characters in amazing situations, but keep it in a setting that doesn't look like you couldn't be there yourself. It's a reality...but a fantastic and buy-able reality, nonetheless.

I know this may be off topic...but something that would help out is the use of more physical flight FX. Less computer jive where possible. Lay off the pre-vis and break out the legit wirework if possible. That's another thing that helped BB and TDK. I never once spent time having to convince myself as to what was going on up on the screen. I just got lost in the story.

Great topic, Dave.

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