Official (adjectiveless) X-MEN Discussion Thread

[ChaoticPsylocke]

is that his new costume? bc that is amazing!!

[JustABill]

1) Ewww, really?

2) Considering Hobgoblin is said to be the reason Peter creates that monster of a suit, it stands to reason the X-Men will help him take on Hobgoblin? Maybe.

3) Eww, really?

4) Why does this book have to use Emma, Wolverine, and Cyclops like every other X Book.

[Havok83]

Originally Posted by JustABill

1) Ewww, really?

2) Considering Hobgoblin is said to be the reason Peter creates that monster of a suit, it stands to reason the X-Men will help him take on Hobgoblin? Maybe.

3) Eww, really?

4) Why does this book have to use Emma, Wolverine, and Cyclops like every other X Book.

I love the new look. Im not sure if Hobglobin will be appearing as the Spidey villian especially if he's dealing with him in the next arc in ASM. I think it will be someone new. Thats just a variant cover so he may not even be using the suit here.

As far as the cast goes, its been stated that Gambit will also show up but yeah it stinks that these 3 are used yet again. With so many Xmen, they dont need to appear on every lineup thats created. Its pretty old and they are overexposed

[Colossal Spoons]

Spidey's new suit is freaking amazing

I can finally jump into X-Men with that vampire crap being over soon.

[El Bastardo]

I might hop on this, now that the vampire thing will be over. But that decision will depend a lot on how clean Bachalo's artwork looks.

[javi1024]

Originally Posted by Havok83

As far as the cast goes, its been stated that Gambit will also show up but yeah it stinks that these 3 are used yet again. With so many Xmen, they dont need to appear on every lineup thats created. Its pretty old and they are overexposed

well thats what happens when the editor gives every X-writer "free reign" with the cast, they all wanna use the same characters. they probably shouldve thought that over a little longer.

[kinetic]

Originally Posted by javi1024

well thats what happens when the editor gives every X-writer "free reign" with the cast, they all wanna use the same characters. they probably shouldve thought that over a little longer.

You'd think after all this time, that the writers would want to write different characters, but no they write the same 3 for the upteenth time.

Covers are often misleading though, so they may not get that much panel time.

I suspect the actual team is Wolvie, Remy, Storm and Spiderman

[Manic]

We were better off when writers had to call dibs on characters. I always felt sorry for the third writer had had to pick characters they clearly didn't want to use just to fill up the roster, but at least it gave some of the more obscure X-Men more exposure.

[EvilClareToo]

Originally Posted by kinetic

You'd think after all this time, that the writers would want to write different characters, but no they write the same 3 for the upteenth time.

Covers are often misleading though, so they may not get that much panel time.

I suspect the actual team is Wolvie, Remy, Storm and Spiderman

I agree. I mean, how many covers has Gambit appeared and then not been even in ONE panel of the comic and vice versa? Cover art these days has little to do with what really goes on in the actual comic.

[El Bastardo]

Originally Posted by Manic

We were better off when writers had to call dibs on characters. I always felt sorry for the third writer had had to pick characters they clearly didn't want to use just to fill up the roster, but at least it gave some of the more obscure X-Men more exposure.

I don't see how that is better off at all.

While I know some writers can handle it professionally, one of the biggest gripes I see from you guys is that writers aren't handling this character or that character correctly.

So what do you think is going to happen when writers are using characters they don't want, that they just chose to fill up the roster? Sure, the character gets some "exposure," but is it really exposure, and does it really benefit the story, if the character does nothing or is written poorly?

[kinetic]

Originally Posted by El Bastardo

I don't see how that is better off at all.

While I know some writers can handle it professionally, one of the biggest gripes I see from you guys is that writers aren't handling this character or that character correctly.

So what do you think is going to happen when writers are using characters they don't want, that they just chose to fill up the roster? Sure, the character gets some "exposure," but is it really exposure, and does it really benefit the story, if the character does nothing or is written poorly?

Even if the writer picks a character just to fill up the roster, the fans of said character would still read the book and want to read another writers take on the character, even if the writer didn't nessarily want to write the character most writers would try to embrace them.

[El Bastardo]

Yes, and then they come here and they ***** about how so-and-so is a ****ing ****ty writer because he or she doesn't use this guy or that guy or <insert favorite character here> correctly and how they could write an infinitely better comic.

So what purpose was served by that writer taking a character they had no interest in using?

Yes, my silent agreement is that writers should be more professional. They should be like Warren Ellis, form no attachment to characters, have no previous attachment to characters, and write characters as they need to be written or should be written. Unfortunately, the reality is that this isn't going to happen. Writers will have favorite characters. Writers will have interesting in this or that character and no interest in other characters.

So, given that, I'd much rather the story be served by a lesser diversification of characters, rather than a diverse cast of characters, most of whom are dead weight.

[kinetic]

No i think the problem was Frost, Wolvie and Cyke being in all the X comics and core teams these coming months.

I don't think they can continue writing stories if thier only going to write them 3 characters as the are at the moment. I think the writers should realise that the X-men are a team and are not defined by any one member, that's why all the characters have loads of different fans.

I think that it would be a sign of a good writer to write for characters they nothing about, and maybe have a different take on the character

Oh and P.S i don't think writers give a **** if people are complaining on an internet forum that they are using their characters in a bad way , or out of character. So it's really unimportant.

[El Bastardo]

Mike Carey does not use Cyclops, Emma, or Wolverine in any type of major character way for Legacy. If they show up, they're peripheral characters.

Astonishing does not count, as it's an outside-the-box book intended to have a "recognizable" team for outside-the-box stories.

So we have what left? Uncanny, the flagship of the X-family. And we have Adjectiveless, which is new, and it can be assumed they have those core, most-popular characters to boost sales. And we have X-Force, which of the three mentioned has only Wolverine. And he's not exactly a new addition to that team.

Where's all the *****ing stem from, exactly? Not to mention, in the case of Adjectiveless, given the story Marvel wanted to tell in it, those three being present actually supports and services the story.

Oh and P.S I don't care whether writers pay attention to forums or not. I'd actually wager more than you'd think pay attention to forums and who complains about what. I don't care whether they care about *****ing or not. My comment did not stem from that. I am a human being, and so my comment stems from me hating reading people *****ing about stupid, silly crap.

[Manic]

Originally Posted by El Bastardo

I don't see how that is better off at all.

While I know some writers can handle it professionally, one of the biggest gripes I see from you guys is that writers aren't handling this character or that character correctly.

So what do you think is going to happen when writers are using characters they don't want, that they just chose to fill up the roster? Sure, the character gets some "exposure," but is it really exposure, and does it really benefit the story, if the character does nothing or is written poorly?

Ah, but you seem to be forgetting one very important thing: Even when writers like a character and want to use them, we still complain that they're not being used correctly. Our favorite characters have been written so wildly differently by so many writers over the years that no collective group of X-Fans will ever truly be satisfied by what the current writers try to offer us.

For example, I got into a long argument over how Magneto should be portrayed in another thread. Specifically, it was about the end of Morrison's run and the whole thing with Xorn. I argued that everything Magneto did betrayed the more noble aspects of his character that were present pretty much throughout the 1980's, while they cited the more militant Magneto that kept popping up throughout the 90's as a reason why Morrison's Magneto wasn't a departure.

It's rare that writers render a version of our favorite characters that all of us hate. There will always be one group of fans who favor one writer's interpretation to another's.


Thing is, we're not getting the chance to see if some of our favorite characters are being written poorly. These days, even the Gambit fans are begging for the chance to complain about how Carey writes him again. It's the same handful of characters in every comic, with most others filling in the action scenes and background. There are a few exceptions, but I'm getting tired of seeing Scott, Emma, Logan, and [random member of the X-Club for tech support] everywhere.


And anyway, we've got a decent crop of writers so far. My complaints about Carey usually revolve around the cast of X-Men Legacy (which is just Rogue and a revolving door of extras). Outside of that terrible Sisterhood arc, I feel like Fraction's main weakness is his use of A-list and B-list characters as background fodder for fight scenes and interchangeable dialogue. Gischler isn't a bad writer-- I just don't care for vampires at the moment. Maybe giving these guys a few restrictions for their rosters would force a little creativity out of them.

[El Bastardo]

tl;dr

[kinetic]

I said it before "No i think the problem was Frost, Wolvie and Cyke being in all the X comics and core teams these coming months.", they are in Legacy, Adjectivless, Uncanny and Astonishing, the four main books as major characters, these coming months. People just can't be assed reading about the same 3 characters in the same month 4 different times in 4 different x books. They want to here from some of the other characters instead of being bored to death from the same ones.

Besides Wolverine i doubt Cyke or Frost pull in anymore sales then the other top X-men. I'm a fan of the 3 but theirs so much i can take.

Regarding people being *****y. Yes a lot of people do it, but i like to think it's because their passionate about their fave characters, and the internet is a forum to moan and ***** and (to a lesser extent) celebrate, we all have are fave characters, and we want to see them in a recurring basis and we get pissed off seeing the same 3.

[El Bastardo]

Like I wrote, Astonishing doesn't count because of its circumstances.

Carey's making use of Cyclops, Emma, and Wolverine as primary antagonists in the upcoming months? Assuming "Fables of the Reconstruction" is the next arc, the information for it said nothing of those three characters.

Where's your information coming from?

[kinetic]

Originally Posted by El Bastardo

Like I wrote, Astonishing doesn't count because of its circumstances.

Carey's making use of Cyclops, Emma, and Wolverine as primary antagonists in the upcoming months? Assuming "Fables of the Reconstruction" is the next arc, the information for it said nothing of those three characters.

Where's your information coming from?

oops a typo, they are in Adjectivless, Uncanny and Astonishing the 3 main x books. I don't see why Astonishing dosen't count, i've never heard of this recognisable faces thing, Armors hardly recognisable. It's a book that's self contained and slots somewhere in continuity. It seems that the recognisable faces thing didn't seem to work out anyway, considering it's sales.........

Edit: Actually Cyke may make an appearence in Legacy, not sure how to post a pic but on the cover he is front and center, also:
FABLES OF THE RECONSTRUCTION” PART 1 OF 2 After suffering heavy damage during Bastion’s attack on mutantkind, the city of San Francisco is rebuilding. Hoping to aid in the reconstruction effort, Cyclops tasks a team of X-Men — including the newly-arrived mutant messiah, Hope — to lend a hand. But when something goes terribly wrong, will the X-Men lose everything they fought for?

[El Bastardo]

Astonishing is an out-of-continuity book. They want a recognizable team for it, and unsurprisingly, that recognizable team consisted of four characters Whedon originally used, along with the character Whedon added, Armor. Novel concept. But it's not a front-and-center book a la any of the others, and so the team composition doesn't count, as nothing that goes on in Astonishing really has anything to do with anything going on in the other titles. Easy enough, no?

Unless you think an out-of-continuity book should abide by in-continuity book rules, in which case that would kind of defy the logic of its being out-of-continuity, no?

Also, just because Cyclops is present on a cover - or just because he may appear within the book - does not make him a major character of the title, or even that issue. In the case of Legacy, he has not been a major character at all - outside of, I think, one issue a ways back with Xavier. Cyclops "tasking" a team of X-Men does not make him a major character but, again, a peripheral character, as Carey has generally been wont to use him as.

[kinetic]

Originally Posted by El Bastardo

Astonishing is an out-of-continuity book. They want a recognizable team for it, and unsurprisingly, that recognizable team consisted of four characters Whedon originally used, along with the character Whedon added, Armor. Novel concept. But it's not a front-and-center book a la any of the others, and so the team composition doesn't count, as nothing that goes on in Astonishing really has anything to do with anything going on in the other titles. Easy enough, no?

Unless you think an out-of-continuity book should abide by in-continuity book rules, in which case that would kind of defy the logic of its being out-of-continuity, no?

Also, just because Cyclops is present on a cover - or just because he may appear within the book - does not make him a major character of the title, or even that issue. In the case of Legacy, he has not been a major character at all - outside of, I think, one issue a ways back with Xavier. Cyclops "tasking" a team of X-Men does not make him a major character but, again, a peripheral character, as Carey has generally been wont to use him as.

Astonishing is in continuity it's not like X-men forever the book does have consequences, such as Forge turning evil and then dead, also Kitty getting stuck in a bullet (it's slots in a moment of time), sorry your just wrong their i think.

If you read my last post you would of noticed that i said "Actually Cyke may make an appearence in Legacy", hows that me saying he's going to be a major character?

[El Bastardo]

Wow.

[kinetic]

Originally Posted by El Bastardo

Wow.

Thanks, i like it when my posts enlighten people.

[El Bastardo]

It wasn't enlightenment, nor illumination.

[kinetic]

Originally Posted by El Bastardo

It wasn't enlightenment, nor illumination.

hmmmm.....ok, i'm going to take it that you finally realised i was right so you put up an enigmatic response because you didn't want to seem wrong.