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Old 01-29-2013, 03:47 PM   #251
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Well, Labour have won the next election.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-21235169

Under the current constituent boundaries, they get the equivalent of 10% of the vote before the polls even open. Any wonder they voted against making the system democratic?

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Old 01-31-2013, 04:36 AM   #252
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The boundary changes were not thought up to make the system more democratic. The conservatives just wanted to swing the advantage the other way so that they would get a added chance of gaining more MPs at the next election while massively reducing those for the Liberal Democrats.

If they were interested in making the system more democratic they would not have blocked the Liberals attempts to make the House of Lords elected or watered down the PR Referendum.

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Old 01-31-2013, 04:55 AM   #253
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The unelected house of lords is just embarrassing now. For a hundred years they have been talking about making the upper house elected and they still can't do it. Too many selfish scumbags who don't want to give up power or the money they can collect in expenses.

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Old 01-31-2013, 12:12 PM   #254
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The boundary changes were not thought up to make the system more democratic. The conservatives just wanted to swing the advantage the other way so that they would get a added chance of gaining more MPs at the next election while massively reducing those for the Liberal Democrats.

If they were interested in making the system more democratic they would not have blocked the Liberals attempts to make the House of Lords elected or watered down the PR Referendum.
No, that's inaccurate. Under the current boundaries, Labour start any election with a 7-11% advantage, i.e. Labour can form a majority government on less than 40% of the vote, and the Conservatives have to be leading Labour by a ratio of about 45%/35% to get a majority of 1.

Of course the Conservatives have a self interest in making the system more balanced, but on this they happen to be right. It is not a matter of getting an "added chance" or "swinging the advantage", it is a matter of ensuring that each constituency has the same number of voters in it, so the same number of votes gives either main party the same number of seats.

I agree that the Lords needs to be reformed- I favour eight year terms and a prohibition of party affiliations. But the Lib Dems blocking boundary reform in a petty act of vengeance now means that neither House will be a representative body by the next election. They did that to ensure that Labour is the biggest party, so that they can form another coalition and dictate British political policy for another five years, despite their tiny and diminishing share of the vote.

It is an outrage. I am not making a Conservatives v Labour v Lib Dems argument here- I am objecting to the fact that two of the parties have colluded so that your/your parents' votes are worth less, and the result of the next election is a foregone conclusion. You tend to get that in places like Zimbabwe and Russia.

We could have a solution in 2015 where UKIP has a bigger share of the popular vote than the Lib Dems, but UKIP will have no MPs while the Lib Dems effectively dictate policy by riding Labour's coat tales.

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Old 01-31-2013, 12:28 PM   #255
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Thats politics for you. Self serving douchebags.

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Old 01-31-2013, 02:23 PM   #256
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I found out a few days ago, that there is a Libertarian Party of the UK founded in 2008.


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I expect them to have as much MSM success as the Libertarian Party here.

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Al Murray's Pub Landlord to stand against Nigel Farage
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-kent-30819779

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Old 03-31-2015, 12:28 PM   #258
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David Tennant and Martin Freeman did a labour party promo

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Old 03-31-2015, 05:06 PM   #259
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Eurgh. There's nothing I hate more than celebrity luvvies offering their half-baked political opinions.

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Old 04-02-2015, 05:47 AM   #260
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Speaking from as someone from Northern Ireland I hope to God our DUP don't form a coalition with the Tories. The DUP is the UK's equivelent of the Republican party.

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Old 04-02-2015, 06:00 AM   #261
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I think that's UKIP, frankly.

It seems highly doubtful to me that a nationwide party would form a coalition with either DUP or Sinn Fein, as that would inevitably light the tinder box in NI. It just wouldn't be worth it.

With another hung parliament seeming all but inevitable, a German-style grand coalition between the three main parties may be for the best, as that would at least prevent loons and provocateurs like Farage or Salmond dictating policy.

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With the way Scotland is turning heavily SNP, is there anyway for Labour to ever get the majority without a Labour/SNP coalition?

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Probably not, as the Lib Dems will lose too many seats to make up the numbers.

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I think that's UKIP, frankly.

It seems highly doubtful to me that a nationwide party would form a coalition with either DUP or Sinn Fein, as that would inevitably light the tinder box in NI. It just wouldn't be worth it.

With another hung parliament seeming all but inevitable, a German-style grand coalition between the three main parties may be for the best, as that would at least prevent loons and provocateurs like Farage or Salmond dictating policy.
But the DUP are religously Right Wing, UKIP aren't campaining for creationism in schools etc like the DUP are.

Also Sinn Fein abstain from sitting in parliament and have done for years so there's 0 chance they'd form a coalition. The DUP has 8 or 9 seats I think so combined with UKIP which might get 1 or 2 we could see a coalition of the right.

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With the way Scotland is turning heavily SNP, is there anyway for Labour to ever get the majority without a Labour/SNP coalition?
Despite what Miliband is saying he'll have to join forces with the SNP and probably another Left Wing party like the Greens or that Welsh Nationalist party.

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If he does a deal with Salmond that stitches up England, Labour will never form another government again. Miliband is already so widely disliked (I refer to the polls and speak objectively) that it will be very difficult for him to sustain his leadership if he becomes PM. The perception of betrayal in England would make it impossible.

I think the two most likely outcomes are another Con/Lib coalition, or a Labour minority government. It all depends on the numbers.

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Despite what Miliband is saying he'll have to join forces with the SNP and probably another Left Wing party like the Greens or that Welsh Nationalist party.
I recall reading that the SNP has formed an alliance with the Greens and Plaid Cymru. So I would imagine a Labour minority government that works with the SNP will probably be working with those two parties as well.

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With their calls for the decentralization of the NHS, I doubt they would get much success.

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With their calls for the decentralization of the NHS, I doubt they would get much success.
Are the Liberal Democrats basicly not Libertarian? Socially liberal (even more so than Labour) but fiscally basicly yellow Tories?

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I was under the impression that they're essentially in between Labour and the Conservatives. Most libertarians aren't exactly pro-Europe the way the Liberal Democrats are.

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Just watched the leaders debate, no clear winner but the SNP did best IMO.

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Which will delight the Conservatives.

I really wish they wouldn't bother with these.

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I disagree as I think it helps restore faith in politics.

UKIP did well too, his comments about health tourism and immigration will chip away at the conservatives votes.

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No and no. All the "debates" have been heard already, and everyone who even faintly follows politics knows that UKIP is the not-very-secretly racist party. These TV spectacles make no difference at all, other than to demonstrate how dumbed-down and Americanized British politics has become.

It is often said that we get the politicians we deserve. That is the most depressing thought of all: that this is how the reality TV generation chooses it's leaders.

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The Tory manifesto went down well with voters.


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