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Old 05-09-2010, 10:03 AM   #51
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**** the EU then. Why should we give them money? They ain't ever helped us. Cameron should just say piss off. What are they gonna do about it?

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Old 05-09-2010, 10:04 AM   #52
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The most endearing moment of Assclown Brown is when he tried to play "IMma teH epic speculatorz" with UK's Savings in Gold, by betting against. Yes when Gold was $200-300, and now at $1200.

So much fail. Sooo much fail.



It makes me warm and fuzzy.

Who thinks the current government (coalition) will try to flush down even more gold down the toilet?

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**** the EU then. Why should we give them money? They ain't ever helped us. Cameron should just say piss off. What are they gonna do about it?
Nothing you can do, you ceded your sovereignty to the almighty EU. You are bailing out the bankrupt losers.

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Old 05-09-2010, 10:06 AM   #54
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Na Cameron can't be making the same mistakes as Brown. No one can, no one ever is as stupid as him. And he didn't even get voted in the ****.

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Nothing you can do, you ceded your sovereignty to the almighty EU. You are bailing out the bankrupt losers.
Well we should leave the EU then. It's not like we share the currency. **** em.

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Old 05-09-2010, 10:12 AM   #56
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To the understand the level of fail. Usually when the dollar goes down in value the nominal value of gold goes up.

Right now BOTH GOLD and the DOLLAR is going UP. At the same ****ing time. Just imagine if the dollar went down.

That's special deluxe fail with extra cheese. It will continue to happen if Europe continues to fail at this rate. So dumping your gold would be a stupid idea. However, much of Europe did that in 2008 to keep afloat - at 800-900 an ounce (Switzerland I am laughing at you). I don't see how a Conservative AND Lib Democrat coalition wouldn't do that, emphasis on the latter.

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Old 05-09-2010, 10:20 AM   #57
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I think that in order to have a truly free society, one should be able to think whatever they want, whether it be right or wrong, based on facts or flat out ignorant, or whatever political ideology (conservative, liberal, socialist, anarchist, Communist, Nazi, whatever).

The British National Party has the right to be ignorant bigots. It's their right as human beings to do so. Ignorant human beings that is.
I believe in a free society. But at the same time when a group of people start inciting hatred and violence against innocent people through the use of hate speech I feel that the law should step in.

If they want to be ignorant worthless bigoted Nazi scumbags they do have that right. But I think once they start inciting hatred against innocent people then they've crossed the line. I don't want innocent people, be they gay, Muslim, Black or simply people who lead an alternative lifestyle suffering because of the BNP's bigoted, vile hate speech.

It's not the BNP's thoughts that I take issue with, it's their actions. They are criminals and Nazi's and I don't feel that they should be allowed to run in the election. Their not a real political party, they are just brainless bigoted thugs

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Old 05-10-2010, 04:47 PM   #58
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I feel the need to say that I am- unbelievably- shocked by both the lying, cheating, selfish approach of the Liberal Democrats to the coalition talks. They took Cameron's "open and broad offer", and sneaked behind his back. I will never vote for them again.

In the meantime, Labour is desperately trying to cling to power, despite being battered by the voters in the election. If they manage to hold on, they will change the electoral rules so that there is no risk of them losing an election again.

David Cameron should just cut them loose, go it alone, and fight tooth and nail for a majority when new elections can be held.

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Old 05-10-2010, 10:00 PM   #59
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I don't mean to seem rude or insulting here regwec but...you were surprised by a politician lying and cheating?

Is that not part of their job description? :P

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I agree with free speech... but not if it is promoting hate and actual hate crimes. You can't just ridicule those sorts of people, you need to stop them.

Like the Muslim extremists. They come to our country because life here is fairer and better than in their country... then they take advantage of the rights our country gives them ie. free speech, to spread hate about our soldiers and promote the hating and killing of other religions.

You can't just let people like that get on with it.
You draw the line when they turn their words into actions. After all sticks and stones.

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Old 05-10-2010, 10:21 PM   #61
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Nothing you can do, you ceded your sovereignty to the almighty EU. You are bailing out the bankrupt losers.
I honestly think that this is the first step of the fall of the European Union. All this is going to do is piss off non-Eurozone members of the European Union especially the United Kingdom, who don't want to bail out other members and of course the public in countries such as Germany who have shown that they oppose bailing out other countries and the EU supporting governments are going to fall as a result (as shown by Germany already, but they don't have a major party that opposes the EU the same way that Britain has the Conservatives).

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If the Labour and Liberals form a coalition I am probably (as will a lot of people) shorting the Pound Sterling sooner.

For others interested but don't have a futures, consider finding some ETF's devoted to shorting the Pound Sterling. And yea there are ETFs devoted to shorting the Euro as well.

Have fun ****ing Europe

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You draw the line when they turn their words into actions. After all sticks and stones.
That's the point. Their words encourage others to carry out hate crimes against innocent people. The BNP incite violence and hatred against innocent Gay, black and immigrant citizens with the brainless, bigoted garbage that they moronically spew every time they open their mouths

I'm an advocate of freedom of all kinds but I draw the line at hate speech as it promotes violence and hatred aganst innocent people

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Old 05-10-2010, 11:39 PM   #64
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You can't have it both ways.

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Old 05-11-2010, 12:53 AM   #65
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That's the point. Their words encourage others to carry out hate crimes against innocent people. The BNP incite violence and hatred against innocent Gay, black and immigrant citizens with the brainless, bigoted garbage that they moronically spew every time they open their mouths

I'm an advocate of freedom of all kinds but I draw the line at hate speech as it promotes violence and hatred aganst innocent people
But there is still a difference between words and actual actions. Saying that you hate blacks, gays, immigrants, etc. is different than actually hurting them.

If they follow up on their words, then they should be punished to the fullest extent of the law.

In a free society you cannot shut people up when they're not hurting anybody and you cannot punish them for how they think.

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I agree with free speech... but not if it is promoting hate and actual hate crimes. You can't just ridicule those sorts of people, you need to stop them.
Hate crimes are also against the idea of a free society. It shouldn't be more of a crime to hurt someone due to who they are as opposed to any other circumstance. Murdering someone just because they are gay is just as heinous as murdering someone because they had $50 in their wallet or because they said the wrong thing or because you simply didn't like them.

People shouldn't be punished for how they think or feel or say. They should be punished for doing actual crimes. The action is supposed to be the crime, not the motive.

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Like the Muslim extremists. They come to our country because life here is fairer and better than in their country... then they take advantage of the rights our country gives them ie. free speech, to spread hate about our soldiers and promote the hating and killing of other religions.
But you have to take a look at it this way.

Muslims are very discontent in the United Kingdom and Europe in general because even though Europe offers the same freedoms as the United States does, European Muslims face high levels of poverty, segregation, and alienation. You have the Netherlands and France banning the burqa, you have nationalist parties in the United Kingdom and the Netherlands such as the BNP that are flat out hostile to Islamic immigrants, opposition to Turkey joining the European Union, and overall European culture hasn't allowed Muslims to integrate into their society.

And because Europe's Islamic population hasn't integrated into society it's why you see radical Islam in Europe. It's why you see them riot in France over injustices. It's why you see them riot over cartoons published in a Danish newspaper.

Now take a look at the United States, our Islamic population is overall integrated into American society. Most Muslims in the United States see themselves as Americans first. Their levels of poverty is pretty much on par with regular poverty levels. You don't see any active discrimination by the United States government by banning the burqa and whatnot. You don't see absurdly anti-Islamic politicians in the legislature and you don't have political parties like the BNP. Our anti-immigrant attitude has come from the federal government's failings to combat illegal immigration as opposed to genuine racism. Sure there groups like the Muslim Brotherhood which praises 9/11 and the recent Faisal Shahzad, but they are an incredibly fringe minority of American Muslims as opposed to the flatout discontentment of European Muslims.

And you know what you have as a result? You don't have American Muslims being pissed off by Comedy Central airing South Park pointing out the hypocrisy of ridiculing other religions yet Islam cannot (thanks to Europe failing to integrate it's Islamic population, the media is afraid to offend Islam as a whole). You don't see American Muslims getting pissed at American newspapers reprinting the Danish cartoons in support of free speech (my local newspaper did).

Maybe Europe should treat it's Islamic population with actual respect and try and fix the social problems concerning European Islam, and maybe things will be a lot better.

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Whoa hold on their Hippie Hunter Britain has pretty much been open and friendly as they have to any other immigrant group. Yes there are a few right wing nutjobs like the BNP but by in large the counrtry has been open to muslims.

The number of british born muslims who have turned to terrorism is really low a minor number of the muslim community which are mostly moderate and not a problem.

We have a problem of disengaged youth in Britain. Some of them turn to crime and a few handful in the muslim population become radicalized by the extreme fringe members of Islamic community preying on disinchantment that exists in all areas of british society.

The segregation of certain members of the british muslim population is self imposed. Although they immigrate to britain they wish to remain in communities that that share the same background and social practices of their old countries. Integration is a two way street and unfortunatley some people don't want to adapt.

A big part of American culture is the cult of America. The belief in the mantra and patriotic stuff. Nothing wrong with that but our culture is different we don't really follow that kind of stuff. We don't swear allegiance.

I'm not patriotic but my grandparents are immigrants to britain and although there is plenty of things wrong with country it is still one of the most tolerant and accepting on the whole in the world in my opinion.

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Old 05-11-2010, 04:44 AM   #68
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I am so pissed. I have some money in pounds which is going to go down even further when currently I need to cash that money in another currency in order to buy a minority stake in a new Company. I am going to lose on the exchange and in the current status of negotiations I am losing every day the transfer is not made.

It looks like it will go Lib/Lab which is really bad.

I wish Margaret Thatcher or at least someone with the same gravitas was back in power....

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If Margaret Thatcher was in power again the country would go even more down the toilet. One the reasons the Tories didn't win outright is because people still think they are like they were under Thatcher.

They sent the last five years distancing themselves from that administration. Shes the reason Tories couldn't even buy a vote in certain parts of nothern england, wales and most of scotland.

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Tories had a hard enough time getting votes from Wales and particularly Scotland even before Thatcher...

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That is because Labour has become sn anti-English party.

If this unholy union between the Labour failures and the Lib Dem failures goes ahead, then England, which overwhelmingly voted for the Conservatives, will effectively be run by a foriegn power.

Again, I cannot quite believe the level of moral corruption on show here. I cannot believe that I ever voted for the Liberals.

What can we do today to bring about fresh elections?

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They actully talking about just a Lib-Labour pact without the nationalists who are only intrested in themselves.

Liberal Democrates are listening to both sides which they have the right to do as they are the ones who are going to have to work with the Conservatives or Labour party and if they want the allience to work they got to be able listen to what they have to say.

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If Margaret Thatcher was in power again the country would go even more down the toilet. One the reasons the Tories didn't win outright is because people still think they are like they were under Thatcher.

They sent the last five years distancing themselves from that administration. Shes the reason Tories couldn't even buy a vote in certain parts of nothern england, wales and most of scotland.
In my opinion, her economic beliefs would be better suited for our times then those of Labour.

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I agree Ahura Mazda but the women herself annoyed most of the country, her own cabinet and even the queen reportedly.

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Annoying or not, when it comes to the bottom line that is all that matters. Being popular doesn't mean someone is doing all the right things either.

Hate or love the market, any alternative to the Conservative or a Conservative coalition is negative for the Sterling. Miracles can happen, but it's doubtful. The absolute worst case is a Labor/Liberal coalition and it is looking that way.

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