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Old 02-20-2015, 08:21 AM   #1
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Default I fear that Strange will fail and be the least successful MCU film

The more I think about it the more I'm having a hard time coming up with positives. Most if not all Marvel films were fairly lighthearted in tone, maybe except Cap. Most were FUN films that were fairly grounded except Thor but even Thor was adventurous, fun. GOTG opened up to the cosmic side but in tone it wasn't really far-fetched from the rest. In the end it was a FUN, lighthearted film. All of the MCU films may have slightly varied in genre but they all had the key base ingredient of FUN.

Now Strange doesn't really fit into that blend well. He's arrogant, or was, and turns out incredibly stoic, humble. In tone it is fairly darker, a lot darker and isn't really fun in tone like the rest of the films. So how will it attract those type of viewers ? A 7 year old will watch and love GOTG but he most likely won't with Dr Strange.

I just don't see how they can make Strange accessible to a large audience without shying away from his roots. People will bring up Harry Potter but even though it was a magical/fantastical film it wasn't really dark. It was aimed towards the youngsters mostly.

Genre. Magic. Its one genre Marvel really has the most trouble with as evident with Thor. Neither 1 and 2 were what they could have been. Cap, Iron Man and GOTG hit that high level with at least 1 film but Thor, albeit still enjoyable, didn't achieve that. Now they'll go full blown magical. How will they able to handle that ?

Feige said visually it will be something we've never seen before.
These type of comments usually worry me because I've rarely seen those big talks come true. It's usually the opposite. I can't remember anything in the history of cinema that achieved that type of visuals. It's probably their toughest task.

People often say that about Ant-Man but with all its trouble in its roots is what Marvel does and does so well in their sleep.

I think Dr Strange is by far Marvels toughest task.

Please tell me i'm wrong and why.

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Old 02-20-2015, 08:40 AM   #2
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I think seeing a guy dressed in a cape waving his arms around and shouting something like "By the hoary hosts of Hoggoth" in a completely serious way is something that can be made very funny. It's the same reason some people thought Ronan was the funniest character in GotG, he's just so serious in everything he does, never seeing the humour in anything, while everything around him is completely bonkers.

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Old 02-20-2015, 09:05 AM   #3
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The best Dr. Strange stories are very psychedelic and downright weird. While that may wind up working against the movie, I don't think the problem will be that it'll be too serious.

As for magic... Well, first off, magic is not a genre. It's a story element, and one that's worked quite well in cinema. Frankly, I can see a Dr. Strange movie being something of a mix between Doctor Who and Harry Potter.

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Old 02-20-2015, 09:24 AM   #4
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I think the MCU is growing up, Winter Soldier was it hitting puberty. Just like the Harry Potter franchise. As Thanos draws nearer you'll see dark times coming across all the films. Age of Ultron looks grim as hell. Civil War Tony will have lost his smile and pretty much becomes a bad guy, Thor Ragnarok probably won't have Jane Foster or Darci in it and will be about the end of asgard, Fiege said it would be one of the most important films of Phase 3. So I think it's time for some dark stories and leave the winks and nudges of the MCU back in the past.

But I could be wrong and Age of Ultron is even "funnier" than The Avengers and the trailer fooled us all.

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Old 02-20-2015, 09:25 AM   #5
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Old 02-20-2015, 09:35 AM   #6
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The best Dr. Strange stories are very psychedelic and downright weird. While that may wind up working against the movie, I don't think the problem will be that it'll be too serious.

As for magic... Well, first off, magic is not a genre. It's a story element, and one that's worked quite well in cinema. Frankly, I can see a Dr. Strange movie being something of a mix between Doctor Who and Harry Potter.
That's why I'm excited for this movie. Magic is a catchall term for something that we can't explain according to the known rules of the world.

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Old 02-20-2015, 10:28 AM   #7
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Doctor Strange has a lot of potential for introducing us to fascinating ideas and phenomena because of the mystical themes. Also, it helps having Benedict Cumberbatch, a tremendously talented actor, in the lead role.

In any case, I would say that it is much, MUCH too soon to start worrying about the movie possibly failing. They haven't even started shooting yet, and they haven't even finished casting yet. Let's be patient.

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Old 02-20-2015, 10:45 AM   #8
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I don't think you should be worried. Marvel will find a way for this film to make money.

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Old 02-20-2015, 02:16 PM   #9
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Don't worry, Ant-Man will be far less successful

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Old 02-20-2015, 02:48 PM   #10
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I see Ant Man "failing" before Strange although I can see Strange failing. I can see audiences not really getting on board with either adaptation or thinking that looks corny, especially Ant Man

As for quality Im not really worried about them being good movies that I enjoy which is what I primarily care about. Even if Strange fails, Im sure we'll see him in team up movies...not sure about Ant-Man though

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Old 02-20-2015, 03:22 PM   #11
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Cumberbatch can be funny even when playing characters straight as seen in Starter For Ten, Sherlock and Four Lions.

In terms of how they explain magic Kevin Feige said
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People thought Guardians Of The Galaxy would be corny and that worked out well. Clearly Marvel is playing Ant-Man with same tongue in cheek humour as GotG. I think Ant-Man's biggest fault may be it is too similar to Marvel's previous films.

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Old 02-20-2015, 03:32 PM   #12
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The brand name is too ubiquitous now. As long as the budget ain't too bloated, it should succeed on the MCU platform alone.

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Old 02-20-2015, 03:46 PM   #13
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Old 02-20-2015, 03:49 PM   #14
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I'm not personally into the magic corner of Marvel, but if the film is half as good as the animated film (seriously, pick it up. It's one of the few Marvel DTV features worth the price) they have nothing to worry about.

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Old 02-20-2015, 03:54 PM   #15
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At this point as long as Marvel makes an accessible, good movie then the property is going to make over 300 mill WW off the first movie.

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Old 02-20-2015, 04:52 PM   #16
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lol, the only MCU film I'm really concerned about are Ant-Man and Inhumans. I have a ton of faith that Doctor Strange, Black Panther and Captain Marvel will be epically awesome films.

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Old 02-20-2015, 05:02 PM   #17
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Far too early to make an assertion of this nature when we don't even know what the film is going to look like.

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Old 02-20-2015, 05:08 PM   #18
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At this point as long as Marvel makes an accessible, good movie then the property is going to make over 300 mill WW off the first movie.
Agreed. In fact, I'd argue that Dr. Strange is probably an easier sell than GOTG and we all know how that turned out.

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Old 02-20-2015, 05:25 PM   #19
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Heh. Wouldn't be a marvel movie without someone posting a dire warning that this will be the bomb to end all movies and life as we know it!

I still remember when people used to say that about iron man and the avengers and even guardians of the Galaxy which I always thought was a very safe bet indeed.

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After Guardians, people should learn not to second guess Marvel. Is everything going to be a massive hit? Certainly not. But I expect it's going to be a quality film.

It's like Pixar, not every film has been as successful as the Toy Story franchise, or Finding Nemo, but you know that the films have all been very high quality. With maybe the exception of Cars 2.

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I have little to no fears about Dr. Strange. Ant-Man is the one I'm worried about.

I'd actually put Strange as the second most likely to succeed of the new Phase 3 characters, after the Inhumans. He's got a unique and interesting premise with a talented star to play him.

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Cumberbatch can be funny even when playing characters straight as seen in Starter For Ten, Sherlock and Four Lions.

In terms of how they explain magic Kevin Feige said


People thought Guardians Of The Galaxy would be corny and that worked out well. Clearly Marvel is playing Ant-Man with same tongue in cheek humour as GotG. I think Ant-Man's biggest fault may be it is too similar to Marvel's previous films.
That has quite a few comic book actors in that film.

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Old 02-20-2015, 07:42 PM   #23
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Not gonna lie I am a bit worried about the box office for Black Panther

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Not gonna lie I am a bit worried about the box office for Black Panther
I think it will be successful in the United States, but it will be a tough sell internationally.

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Dr. Strange will do just fine. It is going to star Benedict Cumberbatch, and the man has quite a devoted fan base thanks to Sherlock, Star Trek and The Hobbit. Cumberbatch has the acting chops to carry a lead role, and at this point, Marvel has a proven track record for being able to propel B and C list characters/franchises to the top of the box office.

Who would of thought Thor, Iron Man or Captain America would become leading box office smash hits? Hell, who would have thought that Guardians of the Galaxy would have gone over so well with audiences? Prior to the film, GOTG weren't even C list Marvel characters: they were down there with Dum Dum Dugan, Fin Fang Foom and The Grizzly. Yet low and behold, the franchise is now a box office sensation. Dr. Strange will be no different.

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