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Old 05-15-2010, 06:41 PM   #1
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Since a lot of people found Iron Man 2 disappointing (I respectfully disagree ), I tough this thread would the interesting.

If you had the chance, what changes would you make in the movie?

Here are mine:

. Longer action scenes.

. When Rhodey gets Mark II, he'd use an emergency code Tony has given him to gain access to the suit and have J.A.R.V.I.S. suit him up.

. The shards from the objects Tony destroys in his birthday party would hurt some partygoers and right before Rhodey shows up, Tony would trip and fire a repulsor blast trough his house.

. The "phat beat" during the fight would be AC/DC's "War Machine".

. More scenes between Vanko and Hammer.

. Black Widow would speak some russian.

. Hammer would call the modified Mark II "War Machine".

. Each Drone would be programmed in a different language.

. Black Widow would not be able to hack the Drones because they're Hammer tech, which she's not familiar with, while War Machine is modified Stark tech, which she has studied before she infiltrated Stark Industries.

. Hammer would be arrested by SHIELD.

. War Machine would use his should missile launcher and Iron Man would use his Unibeam during the fight with the Drones.

. MOAR J.A.R.V.I.S.

. Rhodey would say he'll keep the suit and that, every time Iron Man is too busy or needs help, War Machine will be there.

. Tony would thank Fury for covering up Vanko's attack at the Expo when they're in that hangar.

. After Tony and Rhodey take a picture with Senator Stern, we'd flashcut to Tony's airplane. He'd be in full Iron Man armor, minus helmet, looking at a framed newspaper with the headline "Tony Stark, national hero" hanging on the wall. Pepper would show up with his helmet and say they're ready for him. They'd do the whole "give me a smooch of good luck" routine, but Pepper would put the helmet on Tony's head after she kisses it and he'd jumps. As Tony starts flying, echoing the beginning of the movie, Rhodey would show up in War Machine armor and they'd do some aerial stunts together trough Stark Expo under reconstruction.

Nothing major, just clearing up somethings other people would call Plotholes and having MOAR ESPLOSIONS!

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1. Longer ending action scene. Less flying through the expo and more Iron Man and War Machine v.s the Drones on the ground. Also extend the Whiplash fight a little longer. Don't have him dominate the entire fight like he did.

2. Change the song when Tony and Rhodey fought. They tried to make a joke of the fight with the music when it should of been more serious.

3. Show Rhodey suiting up with the Mark II.

4. A little Russian can be heard when Black Widow is not in disguise.

5. Get rid of the whole "consultant" angle at the end of the movie. We all know Tony is going to suit up as Iron Man.

6. Pepper and Tony do not kiss.

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1) Natasha wouldnt give Tony the shot. That way he would be close to death and look like it when he makes the Vibranium. That would create more drama for the scene where Tony beats what is essentially the archvillain of this movie, because it felt like he cured himself of some flu. He was comfortable enough to pop at Pepper's office and drop off some strawberries when in reality he was hours from dying! Biggest flaw of the movie for me.

2) Ironman vs Mark II with Daft Punk was cool, but this was supposed to be Tony hitting rock bottom and fighting his best friend, so it shouldnt have been cool "hell yeah guys duke it out, destroy that mansion!", but it should have been pathetic and sad. The music and tone should have been darker. Favs really screwed up here.

3) More Whiplash. Instead of being some glorified mechanic, he should have been a constant threat.

4) Hammer and his tech shouldnt have been so laughable. I mean Vanko was pulling the helmets off the suits FFS and everything Hammer ever attempted ended in a catastrophe! How are we supposed to be intimidated by Hammer's "i'll be back lady" at the end of the movie when he is such a loser?

5) Longer final Whiplash fight. He also shouldnt open his helmet all that much. He literally took the combined repulsor blast to the face and somehow lived!

6) Natasha naked scene.

7) If they felt that the Mjolnir in IM2 and Fury in IM1 were off topic and shouldnt be in the movie, they could at least put their scenes after some of the credits, not after 10 minutes of credits. Most people left my theatre and my bladder almost burst from all the waiting! And i think that Fury was relevant to IM1 and it is a big deal for IM2 if people didnt know they had to wait and missed him.

8) More Jarvis. If i am not mistaken Jarvis never spoke when Tony was in the suit. Maybe its because the fights had a faster pace leaving Tony no time to discuss things with him.


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The shards from the objects Tony destroys in his birthday party would hurt some partygoers and right before Rhodey shows up, Tony would trip and fire a repulsor blast trough his house.

. Hammer would call the modified Mark II "War Machine".

. Hammer would be arrested by SHIELD.

. War Machine would use his should missile launcher and Iron Man would use his Unibeam during the fight with the Drones.

. MOAR J.A.R.V.I.S.

. Rhodey would say he'll keep the suit and that, every time Iron Man is too busy or needs help, War Machine will be there.

. Tony would thank Fury for covering up Vanko's attack at the Expo when they're in that hangar.
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Also extend the Whiplash fight a little longer. Don't have him dominate the entire fight like he did.

Get rid of the whole "consultant" angle at the end of the movie. We all know Tony is going to suit up as Iron Man.
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He also shouldnt open his helmet all that much. He literally took the combined repulsor blast to the face and somehow lived!
These.

My biggest problem was how Rhodey knew how to use to suit right away, echoing Stane from the first one. He also jumped into the suit a little too quickly. So his friend was drunk and making an ass out of himself, hasn't he ever heard of talking to him?

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My only issue was that the final Whiplash fight should have been longer. Otherwise I loved everything about the film.

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-Make Whiplash's fights longer.

-Not have Whiplash disappear for half the movie. He and Hammer would've challenged Tony to a fight before the Expo.

-Tony's blood poisoning would've affected his ability to use the suit. Like Mr. Earle said, have his blood poisoning nearly kill him before he finds the vibranium.

-Show Tony fighting terrorists or blowing up weapon caches.

-Have more character development for BW. It felt like she just hung around for most of the movie until the end when she helped stop Vanko.

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Since a lot of people found Iron Man 2 disappointing (I respectfully disagree ), I tough this thread would the interesting.

If you had the chance, what changes would you make in the movie?

Here are mine:

. Longer action scenes.

. When Rhodey gets Mark II, he'd use an emergency code Tony has given him to gain access to the suit and have J.A.R.V.I.S. suit him up.

. The shards from the objects Tony destroys in his birthday party would hurt some partygoers and right before Rhodey shows up, Tony would trip and fire a repulsor blast trough his house.

. The "phat beat" during the fight would be AC/DC's "War Machine".

. More scenes between Vanko and Hammer.

. Black Widow would speak some russian.

. Hammer would call the modified Mark II "War Machine".

. Each Drone would be programmed in a different language.

. Black Widow would not be able to hack the Drones because they're Hammer tech, which she's not familiar with, while War Machine is modified Stark tech, which she has studied before she infiltrated Stark Industries.

. Hammer would be arrested by SHIELD.

. War Machine would use his should missile launcher and Iron Man would use his Unibeam during the fight with the Drones.

. MOAR J.A.R.V.I.S.

. Rhodey would say he'll keep the suit and that, every time Iron Man is too busy or needs help, War Machine will be there.

. Tony would thank Fury for covering up Vanko's attack at the Expo when they're in that hangar.

. After Tony and Rhodey take a picture with Senator Stern, we'd flashcut to Tony's airplane. He'd be in full Iron Man armor, minus helmet, looking at a framed newspaper with the headline "Tony Stark, national hero" hanging on the wall. Pepper would show up with his helmet and say they're ready for him. They'd do the whole "give me a smooch of good luck" routine, but Pepper would put the helmet on Tony's head after she kisses it and he'd jumps. As Tony starts flying, echoing the beginning of the movie, Rhodey would show up in War Machine armor and they'd do some aerial stunts together trough Stark Expo under reconstruction.

Nothing major, just clearing up somethings other people would call Plotholes and having MOAR ESPLOSIONS!
the last idea is terrific!!!

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-the whiplash fight should be more long, whiplash shouldnt have taken more advantage in the fight
-use unibeam in some major fight (especially last one against vanko)
-special moves with the silver centurion suit to finish off vanko in the race scene
-stark should have handed the mark II suit to rhodey after rhodey finds out about the palladium poisoning...but the fight was pretty good idea but poorly developed..
-a scene where stark assembles the Mark VI armor (in a tv spot, which first shows the new reactor, tony says, "o, yaa"...)
-protocida s ending idea..

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Not much, just-

- More Vanko (in general, not the fight)

- Possibly taken out Black Widow altogether, though I did like her character and ScarJo playing her. Just didn't really need to be there in the end.

- Have Tony realize the blueprints for the element are in the design a different way, not just glancing at it and the plaque and putting it together. Maybe consciously going for it, something as simple as that. Or as someone on another site said, actually go to the real live expo and try figuring it out. But OH I GUESS THAT WOULD'VE BEEN EVEN MORE BORING FOR SOME PEOPLE.

- Just hinted at the fact that Tony at some point during the six months showed Rhodey how to use the suit, because though I'm willing to assume it's happened within the six months, come on. Ya gotta give us something.

- Maybe figured out the tone of the party/fight scene a little better. That one scene I feel like I shouldn't like because it feels hokey, but I really do love it. I like the tonal shifting but it could've been better handled.

- Showing exoskeleton on Whiplash's legs, unless they did and I missed this. Could've very easily explained him taking hits to the body with a car so durably.

That's really it. Just some nitpicks, I'm pretty impressed how they managed to wrangle all these storylines as well as they did. Especially by tying almost all of them together into one explosive finale. Loved the movie though.

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Extending the action, particularly the ending, is my main complaint. I can understand the Monaco scene being a fairly short fight, after Ironman grabs a hold of Whiplash without any armor, there's not much he can do. But the ending is unforgivable, especially considering how damn cool the whole thing was. My main concern with the first one was the overall lack of action, and while there's more of it in here, it still feels like there should be more. I think extending that final battle would have done the trick.

Also, like others have said, and that I hated about the first film, is how in the hell can people just hop into these suits and be pros at it? It took Stark a third of the first movie to come to grips with it. I understand there's time constraints but at least show these guys making mistakes, stumbling around, shooting the wrong thing or something.

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SCarlett some of dat ass nude

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So his friend was drunk and making an ass out of himself, hasn't he ever heard of talking to him?
A drunk friend with super strength who uses his repulsors for funnsies. I wouldn't approach him without any sort of protection and risk being accidentally knocked across the room.

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SCarlett some of dat ass nude

This would also be the only change I would of made.

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more Rhodey/Tony...i mean,yeah,there's a history from the 1st film,but much wasn't doen with it in this ine...build up the friendship a lot more before you put them at odds...

Vanko,after taking the combined repulsor blast,should've still been intact (damaged,but intat) and realizing he can't beat them both,go after Tony's weakness - Pepper ....

like protocida's ending idea,though i would have had her still throw it out,Tony jump after it,and have War Machine grab it and hand it too him : "What's the matter Tony,need some help?"

scene in the lab,when he changes the battery in theARC in front of Rhodey,looking at some video of rhodey in the Mark II flying around a bit:

"Well,you certainly didn't nail that landing!"
" Hey,I've only loggged 20 hours of time in the suit!"
"Don;t worry sweetheart,you'll get it eventually..." as Tony looks sadly,but with a smile, at Rhodey walking away,realizing he'll take his place after he's dead....


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A drunk friend with super strength who uses his repulsors for funnsies. I wouldn't approach him without any sort of protection and risk being accidentally knocked across the room.
I'm not saying he had to slap him around or something, just simple reasoning.

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- Possibly taken out Black Widow altogether, though I did like her character and ScarJo playing her. Just didn't really need to be there in the end.
I thought about suggesting this too but settled for giving BW more screentime. In truth, I think SHIELD could've been removed altogether and the movie still would've been fine.

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Pepper had alredy tried to reason with Tony and he didn't listened.

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1) Making the fights longer and not having Iron Man fight at night, I know the CGI is less noticealble for night scenes but IM isn't Batman, so Iron Man should ALWAYS have daytime battles with villians.

2) getting rid of Black Widow, didn't care for her or her silly kickboxing fight with the guards which was just padding the film.

3) getting rid of the rock songs, I hate it when movies have the latest trendy rock song playing, it's distracting when a simple action cue would've been adequate.

4) less talky and more action.

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The rock songs are part of Iron Man's charm. Getting rid of it it's a BIG mistake, IMHO.

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There is just too much damn stuff that I would have changed.

1. Get rid of Black Widow and all of that SHEILD uselessness and make something happen in the middle of the f**king film!

2. Make Hammer less goofy and more of a threat and give Vanko something to do and also explain why he likes using whips. Make the villains more important to this franchise in general.

3. Make the entire movie about the revenge plot since that SHEILD crap is gone.

4. Put Pepper in the movie more and give her more scenes with Tony and actually develope their relationship. He didn't earn that kiss at the end.

5. Don't make them kiss at the end, that seems like something that should be in a 3rd film to me.

6. Make the movie more serious than the first instead of sillier and get RDJ to tone it the hell down. He was borderline annoying in the film.

7. Give Cheadle more to do.

8. Make an action scene in the middle. The drunken fight between friends does not count and I thought that scene was bordering on terrible.

9. Make the action scenes last longer and don't make the battle between the villain last for two seconds. It should be far longer than that.

10. I'm not sure I even want War Machine in the movie.

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1) Making the fights longer and not having Iron Man fight at night, I know the CGI is less noticealble for night scenes but IM isn't Batman, so Iron Man should ALWAYS have daytime battles with villians.
Always? I think that's a little much. I would say the Monger/Man fight could have been in the day time, but the ones at night in this one make sense. Tony parties at night and the Stark Expo was like a big party.

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The rock songs are part of Iron Man's charm. Getting rid of it it's a BIG mistake, IMHO.
I would settle for an intrumental symphonic rock score instead of washed up rock singers.

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There is just too much damn stuff that I would have changed.

1. Get rid of Black Widow and all of that SHEILD uselessness and make something happen in the middle of the f**king film!

I wouldn't mind really if Black Widow was taken out of the film but I didn't mind SHIELD/Fury being in there. I know that people already realize that Marvel wants all their films to be in one universe and some don't care but as a comic fan I enjoyed those scenes and as i've said in the past the couple of scenes that they did have, did have some impact on Stark and the story. At the end of the day I realize that they weren't truly needed but I didn't mind.

2. Make Hammer less goofy and more of a threat and give Vanko something to do and also explain why he likes using whips. Make the villains more important to this franchise in general.

I think that it might have been a bit better if he wasn't as goofy but at the same time I liked that he was the anti-Stark. No charisma, style or good jokes. I like Sam Rockwell so I was glad he was in a movie like this where he could have a bit of fun. With how Favreau allows the actors to do some improv I wonder how much Rockwell improvised when he was explaining his weapons to Rhodey, especially the ex-wife.

3. Make the entire movie about the revenge plot since that SHEILD crap is gone.

This is why I think the movie could have benefited having 10-15 minutes more footage in their. I wonder how this movie would have turned out if Favreau had that extra year or so that he had to make the first film.

4. Put Pepper in the movie more and give her more scenes with Tony and actually develope their relationship. He didn't earn that kiss at the end.

Agreed. I think Paltrow as Pepper has been damn good in this series and as i've said in the past it's nice to see a strong confident woman who isn't some whiney damsel in distress.

5. Don't make them kiss at the end, that seems like something that should be in a 3rd film to me.

That didn't bother me that much but I agree that it wasn't needed.

6. Make the movie more serious than the first instead of sillier and get RDJ to tone it the hell down. He was borderline annoying in the film.

Agreed. I love RDJ's improv but in the sequel he took it too far. I enjoyed his humour in the first film despite being different than the character I know from the comics but it added a bit more fun to the character than making him the typical super serious superhero. It fit in well with his alcoholic, playboy persona. I know his ego lifted after being popular after announcing he was Iron Man but it took away from his development near the end of the first film when he's talking about there just being the next mission.

7. Give Cheadle more to do.

I kind of agree but at the same time I think he had some decent screentime.

8. Make an action scene in the middle. The drunken fight between friends does not count and I thought that scene was bordering on terrible.

I don't think it was terrible but unlike a lot of people I think they should have kept out the rock/dance music. I like Queen and all but that scene should have been a bit more serious. I found him being incredibly drunk at his birthday party, considering it was his last in his eyes, to be fine but the fight itself although not being embarrassing at all for me, could have been taking more seriously.

9. Make the action scenes last longer and don't make the battle between the villain last for two seconds. It should be far longer than that.

I didn't mind it on second viewing because the entire last fight also included the drone fight in my opinion. Yeah, Whiplash should have lasted longer but overall I enjoyed the fight.

10. I'm not sure I even want War Machine in the movie.
Since this movie was heavily inspired by both Demon in a Bottle and Armor Wars it was the perfect time to bring in War Machine. They didn't need to of course but as a comic nerd I liked it because it was accurate to the comics and WM had less screentime than I thought he would, which was a sigh of relief. I just don't want him in the Avengers film and hope he's not in the third IM film too much.

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1. Make Hammer more serious

2. Cut out lots of the lame comedy bits

3. Make Whiplash's final battle with Ironman longer

4. Cut out the lame mainstream music and replace it with something good

5. Give Ivan more screen time

6. Build up the coming of the Mandarin a bit more

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