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Old 12-25-2016, 08:05 PM   #1
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Default Which Superhero films belong in the National Film Registry?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Film_Registry

The NFR preserves movies in the library of congress. The film has to be 10 years old to be put into the NFR, as well as "culturally, historically, or aesthetically significant".

Unless you count Zorro, there are, to my knowledge, currently no Superhero movies in NFR. In your opinion, which 10+ year old superhero films belong in the NFR? Which movies should be in the NFR once they turn ten years old?

Do you think any superhero films deserve to be in the NFR at all?

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Old 12-25-2016, 08:09 PM   #2
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Superman, Spider-Man, I think over time something like maybe Iron Man, The Avengers, or Winter Soldier would go there if thinking about the MCU.

And I imagine The Dark Knight would go there as well.

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Old 12-25-2016, 08:12 PM   #3
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I can't think of any superhero films that deserve to be in the NFR.

I mean think about it, what superhero movies could or will be culturally, historically, or aesthetically significant? None.

I guess maybe TDK, but that's mostly because of Ledger's Joker, who is already pretty much iconic.


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Old 12-25-2016, 08:14 PM   #4
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I don't think Winter Soldier belongs in there, to be honest.

10+ year old films:

Superman
Batman
Spider-Man
Batman Begins

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The Dark Knight
Iron Man
The Avengers

TDK will probably be the first Superhero film to make the cut. It's a damn shame STM and B89 haven't already.

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Old 12-25-2016, 08:29 PM   #5
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I mean think about it, what superhero movies could or will be culturally, historically, or aesthetically significant? None.
Superman, Batman, Spider-Man, The Dark Knight, and The Avengers are some of the biggest, most influential movies of all time.

Superman was one of the earliest blockbusters, it's depiction of a man flying was innovative in it's day. Christopher Reeve's performance is/was one of the most iconic in cinema. It kicked off the superhero genre as we know it, the same genre which is currently dominating cinema.

Batman changed the way filmmakers marketed blockbusters. It ushered in a period where it was cool to be a darker, quirker sort of blockbuster. Jack Nicholson's performance is one of the most iconic villain performances of all time. The movie played a big role in changing the perception of the Batman character and franchise.

Spider-Man was one of the first post 9/11 blockbusters, and played, IMO, the biggest role in the current superhero boom we're seeing now.

Don't even need to explain TDK's significance at this point.

And then you have films like Batman Begins. Batman Begins kickstarted the current "reboot" craze.

There are definitely Superhero films that could belong in the NFR. But, I did ask a question, and you answered, so fair enough.

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Old 12-25-2016, 10:43 PM   #6
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Superman, Batman, Spider-Man, The Dark Knight, and The Avengers are some of the biggest, most influential movies of all time.

Superman was one of the earliest blockbusters, it's depiction of a man flying was innovative in it's day. Christopher Reeve's performance is/was one of the most iconic in cinema. It kicked off the superhero genre as we know it, the same genre which is currently dominating cinema.

Batman changed the way filmmakers marketed blockbusters. It ushered in a period where it was cool to be a darker, quirker sort of blockbuster. Jack Nicholson's performance is one of the most iconic villain performances of all time. The movie played a big role in changing the perception of the Batman character and franchise.

Spider-Man was one of the first post 9/11 blockbusters, and played, IMO, the biggest role in the current superhero boom we're seeing now.

Don't even need to explain TDK's significance at this point.

And then you have films like Batman Begins. Batman Begins kickstarted the current "reboot" craze.

There are definitely Superhero films that could belong in the NFR. But, I did ask a question, and you answered, so fair enough.

This is a great idea for a thread !

I agree with most of the above...although I'd limit the films to:

Superman the Movie (can't argue with that one, arguably the best ever performance by an actor in a title role as a superhero).

The Dark Knight ( I think that it deserves a spot, rather than Batman 1989, which is a worthy comic book film - I loved it- but TDK is something that elevates itself above the genre, into being a great film full-stop).

Maybe Iron Man or Spider Man (Raimi) ? Iron Man kick-started the MCU, and did so with a tremendous bang !

Civil War (when it's hit the 10 year mark)

I feel I should mention Avengers, as it's one of the mostly highly rated (IMO overrated) cbms. I wouldn't include it - although I can see why many people would want to.
While the Avengers is good film, enormous fun and worthy of its blockbuster status it doesn't really have the same exploration of deeper themes (okay, let's not get pretentious here, no superhero film really explores any theme in great depth), but the others explore themes about character, humanity and responsibility - whereas the Avengers doesn't really do much in terms of develop characters, and it doesn't even really explore friendship that much (in some ways I thought Age of Ultron did a better job).

Superman the movie is also a time-capsule of mid-late 20th century Americana, so that's something that should be preserved - before President Trump destroys everything.

If Zach Snyder's Watchmen was a better film, I would have included it too - as Watchmen is arguably a comic book but explores some really heavy stuff and manages to blend the ridiculousness of costumed adventurers with pretty believable humanity (including human sexuality in its complicated and sometimes brutal side). As it is, it doesn't make the cut.

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I don't know what they are serving in Siberia...


Superman The Movie, Batman 1989, Spider-Man 2, The Avengers, The Dark Knight and as of right now I don't think any of the others come close to warranting inclusion.

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You guys know what I mean though. The NFR won't take comicbook movies seriously.

I could see maybe Superman the movie and TDK getting accepted, but that's it.

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I think for sure these will all be there some day:

Superman: The Movie
Batman
Spider-Man
The Incredibles
The Dark Knight
The Avengers

But we are definitely going to have to give it time. The backlash is real.

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Old 12-26-2016, 02:41 AM   #10
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I think for sure these will all be there some day:

Superman: The Movie
Batman
Spider-Man
The Incredibles
The Dark Knight
The Avengers

But we are definitely going to have to give it time. The backlash is real.
The Avengers.
Spider-Man.
There is no way those two will be in there.
They arnt on the same level as the other 4 films. There is no backlash. What cultural significance has Spiderman had?
Avengers was the first big screen team up but thats it. It's not a very well made film. Pretty stantard film making.

The Dark Knight and Superman the Movie are a givin. Maybe Batman 89 too.

All 4 won Oscars too.

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X2, Deadpool and Days of Future Past!

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What cultural significance has Spiderman had?
It singlehandedly made superhero films the biggest thing in hollywood and kicked off the golden age of comic book cinema that we are currently experiencing in a way that X-men and Blade could only dream of. But yeah, nbd.

I get not liking it but questioning the cultural significance is laughable.

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And Avengers might be the peak of superhero cinema, at least when it comes to popularity. It was a huge event. But Infinity War might yet top it.

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All 4 won Oscars too.
So did Spider-Man 2.

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Superman
Batman
Blade
X-Men
Spider-Man
TDK
Avengers

I think these movies have brought CB movies where they are today. Of course, Superman, Batman, Spider-Man, TDK and Avengers deserve to be in the NFR.

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Dark Knight and Avengers.

I think they'll survive the test of time far better than Superman 78 and Batman 89.

Avengers especially may have redefined how the film industry works. Now every studio is trying to build episodic cinematic universes for their tentpoles.

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The Avengers.
Spider-Man.
There is no way those two will be in there.
They arnt on the same level as the other 4 films. There is no backlash. What cultural significance has Spiderman had?
Avengers was the first big screen team up but thats it. It's not a very well made film. Pretty stantard film making.

The Dark Knight and Superman the Movie are a givin. Maybe Batman 89 too.

All 4 won Oscars too.
The Avengers and Spider-Man are arguably two of the three most relevant Superhero flicks since their explosion. The other being TDK.

I am not a big Avengers or Spider-Man fan, but both movies are culturally relevant.

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Batman Begins is a contender due to it kickstarting the "reboot" craze, IMO.

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Batman Begins is a contender due to it kickstarting the "reboot" craze, IMO.
Dude, I feel like there is only space for one Batman movie - and it has to be TDK IMO.

While Begins rebooted Batman, to me it doesn't have the same overall effect on the genre as Superman the movie - which really started it (unless you want to count Batman 1966 ) or TDK which made people sit up and take the entire genre seriously.

Just my opinion though. Cheers.

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Dude, I feel like there is only space for one Batman movie - and it has to be TDK IMO.

While Begins rebooted Batman, to me it doesn't have the same overall effect on the genre as Superman the movie - which really started it (unless you want to count Batman 1966 ) or TDK which made people sit up and take the entire genre seriously.

Just my opinion though. Cheers.
Really you don't even think Batman '89 belongs there for making 'darker' CBMs more acceptable, and removing the campy Batman image from the public consciousness?

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Really you don't even think Batman '89 belongs there for making 'darker' CBMs more acceptable, and removing the campy Batman image from the public consciousness?
Good question !

In my view, there would only be space for one Batman film. That's my starting point. From there it really comes to a comparison between Batman '89 and TDK.

Full credit to Batman '89, a film I used to have on for ambient noise when I was flatting during my university days. I still love that movie.

And, you're right that that film did pave the way for darker cbms - but is that of itself enough of an achievement in of itself to warrant inclusion in the NFR ? To me, no it isn't. It's a change within the genre and one that was met with mostly positive (but not entirely positive) reactions.

In comparison TDK (and to a degree Iron Man, as both came out the same year) was almost universally acclaimed and made people take the entire genre seriously (both as entertainment and as a money-maker). It's not just a great cbm (which Batman '89 certainly is) but a great film period. The drama is almost a Shakespearean tragedy as the heroes good works all fall to ruin. So I'm convinced that TDK is more deserving of a spot.

If there were two spots I would have TDK and Batman '89 over any of the others.

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Superman: The Movie
Batman
X-Men
Spider-Man
The Avengers
Iron Man
The Dark Knight, when it gets to 10 years

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Only movies that deserve it are:

Dark Knight
Avengers
Superman the movie
Raimi Spider-Man 1&2

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Based on the criteria and applying it to the genre, Superman : The Movie for the impact & aims of the cast & crew in reaching it's accomplished vision and the simple fact, we would have nothing of the genre today, without it's release.

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