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Old 02-22-2014, 11:42 AM   #801
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Yeah, but between Fc and Dofp there were 11 years so thats plenty of time to have that arc lol

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Yes, because that's what these movies need--more stuff to happen offscreen.

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Alot of people wanted to see the aftermath and didnt want it skipped over

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The only problem I have with the serum/anger conversion is that it seems too similar to Hulk. Beyond that, Beast struggling with his appearance and manifesting that struggle through the development of a serum is absolutely on point.
Yeah thats my main issue with it, just wish they had gone another way, were the serum makes him human but he turns into Beast at inopportune moments rather then when he is angry.

The angle they have gone with just seems like lazy thinking to me.
I like that idea much better.

Or, just stemming off from that, maybe something where the serum has started to loose it's effectiveness over time and Hank is finding that he's reverting faster between doses, putting him into a situation where he's dosing more and more often and approaching toxic levels. That would create tension and open the door for why he eventually has to accept who he really is.

The problem with this "Hulk" angle is that it shifts too much focus away from Hank worrying about his appearance and starts to make it be more about "Hank needs to keep his emotions in check." And in an ensemble movie where you're already limited on how much attention each character will get, the script has just handicapped Hank's characterization right from the start.

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its more appropriate for the film and for his character because it will make for way more interesting moments and give hank a more darker edge, and it means he is holding back his beast nature but when it comes to danger he will obviously become beast so all the pieces fit, personally i don't care if its like hulk, its more a plot device

i can see someone really pissing of hank near the end, maybe logan intentionally, although maybe im getting that from the wolverine vs hulk mini film they made haha

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Old 02-22-2014, 02:22 PM   #806
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But he shouldn't be struggling with his appearance, otherwise that negates his character arc in First Class.
You mean the arc that didn't happen?

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His arc was being ashamed of his mutancy and wanting to fix it and ending up worse in the process. That will continue in this with him again trying to fix himself and most likely coming to accept himself

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His arc was being ashamed of his mutancy and wanting to fix it and ending up worse in the process. That will continue in this with him again trying to fix himself and most likely coming to accept himself
But it's been eleven years. He shouldn't be in the same place as he was at the end of FC. Another reason why the Hulk angle doesn't work is because, for Bruce Banner the Hulk is an uncontrollable monster so it means there are consequences for Banner losing his temper. When Beast changes he just looks different and gets stronger and more agile. If there are no consequences for him getting angry then why should we care?

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But it's been eleven years. He shouldn't be in the same place as he was at the end of FC. Another reason why the Hulk angle doesn't work is because, for Bruce Banner the Hulk is an uncontrollable monster so it means there are consequences for Banner losing his temper. When Beast changes he just looks different and gets stronger and more agile. If there are no consequences for him getting angry then why should we care?
He is embarrassed and ashamed of it, I believe it was said in hoults interview

I think its more in him not wanting to look like a blue hairy monster, not the fact he can do awesome thing as the blue hairy monster

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But it's been eleven years. He shouldn't be in the same place as he was at the end of FC.
How much time has passed is irrelevant to one's emotional insecurities.

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There's no "Hulk angle" at all. He's ashamed of what he is and tries to hide it. What is so hard to understand?

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He is embarrassed and ashamed of it, I believe it was said in hoults interview

I think its more in him not wanting to look like a blue hairy monster, not the fact he can do awesome thing as the blue hairy monster
But there is no link in his character between anger and embarrassment. It's just taking from the Hulk and putting it somewhere it doesn't fit. It makes no sense for his character. It would have been better if it was an improved version of the serum from FC, where it made him look normal for a short while. Then he perfects his cure. Then he has to choose between looking normal or using his powers to help his friends.

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It would have been better if it was an improved version of the serum from FC, where it made him look normal for a short while. Then he perfects his cure. Then he has to choose between looking normal or using his powers to help his friends.
What makes you think it doesn't?

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What makes you think it doesn't?
Because they have confirmed how he looks human, it's not speculation anymore, they told us. They said he injected himself with a serum that allows him to be normal except in times of high emotion where he changes. That's not Beast, that's the Hulk.

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Because they have confirmed how he looks human, it's not speculation anymore, they told us. They said he injected himself with a serum that allows him to be normal except in times of high emotion where he changes.
So what? That doesn't preclude that the serum could be temporary. They have never said that he can change back and forth either.


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If he looked normal for a short while it would mean he wouldn't see beast rarely at all in the action scenes because he needs a reason to become him at the right time, its a plot device that will add depth and cool moments

he will likely have to choose to remain beast and He obviously has a more animal nature so it's not totally out of the question for anger to set him off

I mean just look at this happy face


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Because they have confirmed how he looks human, it's not speculation anymore, they told us. They said he injected himself with a serum that allows him to be normal except in times of high emotion where he changes. That's not Beast, that's the Hulk.
Hulk injected himself to look normal? Must've been a "What If?" issue I missed.

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Hulk injected himself to look normal? Must've been a "What If?" issue I missed.
It's not identical obviously, but a scientist is subject to an experiment which causes him to change when he feels strong emotion and anger. You can't deny the similarities.

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Hmmm...it's weird. That "Hulk" concept you describe reminds me of a piece of classic literature I once read...definitely has some similarities...it's almost like it's the same thing...

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Old 02-22-2014, 05:06 PM   #819
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He's most certainly NOT in the same place he was at the end of X-MEN: FIRST CLASS, as he has a working serum to transform himself back. Don't think that happened overnight.

As far as the "anger issues" angle goes, I don't think it's about anger so much as it's about him trying to suppress his "animal" instincts, specifically the more beastlike ones; rage, hate, anger, but also tendency toward violence, etc. They're drawing from X-Men lore in that regard, because there was a whole storyline about Beast regressing and worrying about losing his ability to control himself and his intelligence.

So in this, he apparently tries to contain it, and to control it, but ultimately, the beast comes out. Is that kinda like Hulk? Sure. It's also kind of like the classic character Mr. Hyde, Etrigan, and a number of other comic book characters. And if that's ALL his character was, that would be an issue. But that's NOT all his character is.

Next someone will be complaining because Professor X is a telepath, a thing that other characters in literature have also been.

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I hope it's just him trying to hold his animal instincts at bay, fight/flight.... shag

We all have them, but as humans and adults moreso, we can generally control such in pressure situations. Some better than others.

Imagine a massively tense situation, where just one wrong word or move will be the trigger for instant and brutal violence.
Put Beast into that situation, where his animal instincts are SCREAMING to fight or flight... I reckon he can become that wrong move, with interesting results.

Wouldn't like it as much if it were just 'anger'.....

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There doesn't have to be a link. It's a biological reaction.

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It's not identical obviously, but a scientist is subject to an experiment which causes him to change when he feels strong emotion and anger. You can't deny the similarities.
He serum doesn't equal him changing into a beast. His experiment suppresses the beast and puts on the facade on humanity.

He's the reverse of Hulk.

Banner becomes a monster, it's the opposite for Mccoy, he is the Beast who becomes Hank

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To me it seems like they are just doing it so there are less scenes where they have to apply all that make-up. Fox probably figured they could save $1000 on labour costs for those few extra hours so they resorted to lazy writing.

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To me it seems like they are just doing it so there are less scenes where they have to apply all that make-up. Fox probably figured they could save $1000 on labour costs for those few extra hours so they resorted to lazy writing.
Could be but that's not lazy writing anymore than Hulk only have 7 or so minutes of screen time in Avengers and the Transformers not being the star of their own movies.

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To me it seems like they are just doing it so there are less scenes where they have to apply all that make-up. Fox probably figured they could save $1000 on labour costs for those few extra hours so they resorted to lazy writing.
But Fox didn't wrote this movie.

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