The Kevin Bacon/Sebastian Shaw Thread

[TNC9852002]

Originally Posted by ken smith

Now Sebastian shaw is the main villain, do you guys think it will lead to the introduction of the sentinels since Jean and Cyclops won't be in the movie. Remember he once funded the Sentinels program

I'm having trouble seeing the connection between sentinels and no Jean and Cyclops..

[ken smith]

I meant to say since there will be no phoenix, do you think Sebastian Shaw will led to the introduction of the sentinels.

[JP]

It would appear many have no knowledge of Shaw or the Hellfire club outside of the Phoenix storyline.

[ken smith]

But jean isn't going to be in the movie, so how will the phoenix storyline appear.

[JP]

[ken smith]

why is shaw in this movie if he was only in the phoenix storyline in the comics.

[JP]

Reread my post:

It would appear many (ken smith) have no knowledge of Shaw or the Hellfire club outside of the Phoenix storyline.

[ken smith]

I did't disagree about that.. Has there ever been any comics in which Shaw focused on others than the phoenix

[Nokio]

How will their be Sentinals if the movie is set in the 60's? Just a thought. Singer and Fox once again freaking up history. Now Shaw is older then Mags and Prof X? Marvel really needs to get the rites back to Xmen. Even with that being said I like Bacon as Shaw. The man is a damn good actor. Thinking that Sinister would've been a better villian based on the time line. Vaughan seems capable of delivering though but again the history is just all over the place. Do they have any faithfulness to the comics at all?

[Nokio]

Originally Posted by ken smith

I did't disagree about that.. Has there ever been any comics in which Shaw focused on others than the phoenix

Theirs been few but nothing that impressed me with Shaw. Both him and the Hellfire club were the most interesting during the Phoenix storyline but outside of that they usually bore me to tears.

[Nokio]

Originally Posted by ken smith

I did't disagree about that.. Has there ever been any comics in which Shaw focused on others than the phoenix

He focused on Machine Man I think at one time in some limited series offshoot from The Avengers. Machine Man had future Sentinal tech that Shaw wanted or something. He was also one of the villians of Nate Grey the Cable of AOA who has his own series X Man some years back.Their have been some story arcs with Shaw later in Xmen that never went anywhere. His focus was always on Prof X and how he was going to bring Xavier down. The two had some history together that was never explained. Another arc was he wanted Tessa back, who was a mutant telepath and activator or somtething. She was one of Xavier's first students and was a spy placed by Xavier within the Hellfire club. She was their for many years and became Shaw's close assistant.

Shaw just isn't an interesting or menacing villain. Yeah his power makes him hard to fight but outside the Phoenix story arc nothing have ever took off that made fans wanting more. I don't even think he made the top list of the greatest Xmen villains. Even with all that being said I don't mind him as the villain in the movie as long as its not Mags again. Shaw and the Hellfire club should've been brought in for X3. Just wish Singer and Fox would pick up a d@mn Marvel history book.

[psyonic]

Stryker was a reverend in GLMK but made a military man for X2. They will probably take liberties with Shaw in FC. Maybe Jean will be in FC as a surprise, who knows. They are still keeping stuff from fans and shooting hasn't even begun, which is why I find it absurd that people are already whining about the movie.

[Deaths Head II]

I wonder if the Hellions will play a role in this. I think it would be a missed opportunity not to factor them in considering the fact this about how Xavier starts his school and the Hellfire Club has it's own school for mutants.Maybe the younger mutants in this film are actually in Emma Frost's school. Maybe Xavier and Magneto split when they have to decide what exactly they're going to do with the students they freed from the Hellfire Club.

[ken smith]

Very good argument, Deaths Head

[Michellemabelle]

I wonder if we'll see him in mutton chops and a ponytail here. Or in eighteenth century dress. Likely not.

[squeekness]

Hopefully not. I never liked their fancy clothes, epsecially the girls who wore laungerie. Like real women who wanted to be taken seriously would dress like that.

[Deaths Head II]

I don't think we'll be getting the eighteenth century dress and I definitely don't think we'll be getting the lingerie. They'll probably just be some really upscale looking people.

[terry78]

Originally Posted by squeekness

Hopefully not. I never liked their fancy clothes, epsecially the girls who wore laungerie. Like real women who wanted to be taken seriously would dress like that.

Why I oughta.....

[ken smith]

How will they be able to defeat Shaw? He seems pretty undefeatable

[FaT_tONle]

Originally Posted by Nokio

How will their be Sentinals if the movie is set in the 60's? Just a thought. Singer and Fox once again freaking up history. Now Shaw is older then Mags and Prof X? Marvel really needs to get the rites back to Xmen. Even with that being said I like Bacon as Shaw. The man is a damn good actor. Thinking that Sinister would've been a better villian based on the time line. Vaughan seems capable of delivering though but again the history is just all over the place. Do they have any faithfulness to the comics at all?

If it is a trilogy I am sure we will see Sinister sooner than later. I do wonder if Shaw will be reoccurring though since they won't touch on the Pheonix in this one without Jean.

[terry78]

Originally Posted by ken smith

How will they be able to defeat Shaw? He seems pretty undefeatable

He has no defense against being attacked psionically.

[ken smith]

ok. I forgot about that, thanks terry78. This guy can take on Magneto himself.

[Deaths Head II]

Originally Posted by terry78

He has no defense against being attacked psionically.

He'll also probably have Emma on his side too though.

[terry78]

Originally Posted by Deaths Head II

He'll also probably have Emma on his side too though.

Which means they'll have to take her out first.

[WillardNation]

Originally Posted by squeekness

Hopefully not. I never liked their fancy clothes, epsecially the girls who wore laungerie. Like real women who wanted to be taken seriously would dress like that.

There's nothing I take more seriously than a beautiful woman in lingerie.