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Old 10-31-2010, 12:17 PM   #101
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What if someone's own views contradict with their own viewpoint? I don't think pointing out someone's hypocrisy as lashing out.

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Old 10-31-2010, 12:49 PM   #102
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RACISM?! I'm calling it for what it is. Even being as PC as yourself doesn't change that fact.

What is that last statement based on? There is plenty of Muslim violence occurring in wealthy countries, including right here in the USA. The most recent that comes to mind is the Times Square bomber. I found this list as well: http://www.watson37.com/-Misunderstanders--Roster.html
Exactly.
Saying that the phrase "radical Muslims" or "Muslim Extremists" is racist is ridcoulous. That's like saying that saying that the KKK consists of WASPs is racists against WASPs.
Also, 8wid, Islam isn't a race.

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Old 10-31-2010, 02:18 PM   #103
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^I know Islam isn't a race, the vast majority of those who practice it are of some Middle Eastern or African ancestry that can't be just a coincidence why were only mostly afraid of them attacking us. When others are around use too and are usually more successful.

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RACISM?! I'm calling it for what it is. Even being as PC as yourself doesn't change that fact.

What is that last statement based on? There is plenty of Muslim violence occurring in wealthy countries, including right here in the USA. The most recent that comes to mind is the Times Square bomber. I found this list as well: http://www.watson37.com/-Misunderstanders--Roster.html
Attacks in wealthy countries are minuscule just by the shear number that have been killed in years past. Millions have been killed by such violence not stopped by wealthy forces like Darfur and Chechnya. While only major attacks like Fort Hood, 9/11, 7/7 etc. have occurred to kill a few thousand at most. Yes they are all as important and as tragic as each other. But like to see a serious move to see American reduce its own aggression.

Sure on that list plot after plot is foiled or is a very small one. Immigration is a nightmare in Europe, and so is Russia's situation, and more but consider the difference in wealthy countries compared to poorer like Iraq and Afghanistan where the American presence has only provoked more violence by destabilizing the governmental and economic structure, then failing to even leave them with a decent one in return after they withdraw.

Attacks occur without fail every day where dozens are killed as everyone posts in these threads everyday. Count how many of those attacks are in wealthy countries that went off successfully. Very few should have.

And they still do in many other countries where this happens too. But how well as security been boostered for them, how well is the War on Terror going? We see that even with our own pursuits.

It's because Americans favor war and then lose interest. If it doesn't happens instead in Baghdad today and not Chicago, most will still worry about it happening here and not there or pay attention to the whole situation until its here on the news.

And do I think its a coincidence that the U.S. that Americans are always mostly afraid of Muslim extremists or white supremacists, no. Because a serious discussion as not taken place in the minds of Americans about how well they are without becoming violent or how they are in most other countries.


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Old 10-31-2010, 03:16 PM   #104
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^I know Islam isn't a race, the vast majority of those who practice it are of some Middle Eastern or African ancestry that can't be just a coincidence why were only mostly afraid of them attacking us.

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ummm..... no. It's because there is a group of Muslims who misinterperate the Koran to say that anybody who promotes freedom of non-muslims (like America) is a "Great Satan".
And yes, there are other groups that have attacked America, but only this group of Radical Muslims have pulled off something on such a massive scale, like 9/11.

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Old 10-31-2010, 03:18 PM   #105
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^I know Islam isn't a race, the vast majority of those who practice it are of some Middle Eastern or African ancestry that can't be just a coincidence why were only mostly afraid of them attacking us. When others are around use too and are usually more successful.
Actually the largest number of Muslims are in Indonesia.

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ummm..... no. It's because there is a group of Muslims who misinterperate the Koran to say that anybody who promotes freedom of non-muslims (like America) is a "Great Satan".
It's a lot deeper than that, and goes well outside the realm of religion. To reduce the situation to such a level of simplicity is counterproductive and dishonest, IMO.

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Old 10-31-2010, 04:06 PM   #107
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Carcharadon,

Dishonest, yes. Counter productive? Depends what your intentions are, yes?

As for the notion of calling a spade, a spade. That's fine. Why not call them Radical Muslims? If they interpret the Koran in meaning that innocents are fair game in war, then let's call them Radical or Extreme Muslims. I also think if Christians put up posters in front of funerals for soldiers saying, "Burn in Hell" then they should also be called radical Christians.

The question is, what do we call States that sponsor or have sponsored the eradication of people, and/or sponsor groups that desire terrorism and/or bigotry? (ie. Sudan, Israel, British Empire, Burma, Russia, Iran, Spain, America, The Mongols, Turkey, etc)

They justified (some continue to Justify) their terrorism to the population by labeling their enemies as savages, trouble-makers, Great Satan, terrorists, rebels, and infidels. It might be simple, but it sure works in brainwashing the population and its very productive. The invasion of Iraq was built on this type of fear mongering.

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Old 10-31-2010, 05:30 PM   #108
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ummm..... no. It's because there is a group of Muslims who misinterperate the Koran to say that anybody who promotes freedom of non-muslims (like America) is a "Great Satan".
And yes, there are other groups that have attacked America, but only this group of Radical Muslims have pulled off something on such a massive scale, like 9/11.


If you actually read the Quran (or a book that breaks it down since it's somewhat nonsensical to a novice), you'll see that these Muslims are not misinterpreting anything. They are just doing what they see as their duty as expressly stated in the Quaran. That they choose to do it is the problem, not that they misunderstand their book. The Torah and the New Testament are no different, except you don't see many modern day Jews or Christians murdering tens of thousands in the name of their books.

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So how 'bout that worldwide terror plot that was foiled?

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Carcharadon,

Dishonest, yes. Counter productive? Depends what your intentions are, yes?
Counterproductive in the sense that if we are going to achieve any real progress towards peace, we need to have a complete and real understanding of the situation. Not some foggy and ill-conceived notion born of propaganda, ignorance and prejudice.


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Old 10-31-2010, 10:46 PM   #111
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So how 'bout that worldwide terror plot that was foiled?
that was crazy bit of news.

ETA may be coming to an end:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20101031/...pain_eta_s_end

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If you actually read the Quran (or a book that breaks it down since it's somewhat nonsensical to a novice), you'll see that these Muslims are not misinterpreting anything. They are just doing what they see as their duty as expressly stated in the Quaran. That they choose to do it is the problem, not that they misunderstand their book. The Torah and the New Testament are no different, except you don't see many modern day Jews or Christians murdering tens of thousands in the name of their books.

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So how 'bout that worldwide terror plot that was foiled?

You wonder about the ones that didn't get caught.

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Yes, name me an example of modern Christians or Jews commiting mass murder for religous reasons.

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If you actually read the Quran (or a book that breaks it down since it's somewhat nonsensical to a novice), you'll see that these Muslims are not misinterpreting anything. They are just doing what they see as their duty as expressly stated in the Quaran. That they choose to do it is the problem, not that they misunderstand their book. The Torah and the New Testament are no different, except you don't see many modern day Jews or Christians murdering tens of thousands in the name of their books.
No, they just do it for the oil.

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At least 50 murdered in Baghdad today. http://edition.cnn.com/2010/WORLD/me...sts/index.html

There were 14 explosions. Ten were car bombs, three were roadside bombs, and another was what's called a sticky bomb: a device that's placed on an object, many times a vehicle.

Explosions struck the *****e neighborhoods of Kadhimiya in the northwest; Amil, Bayaa and Shulaa in the southwest; Ur and Zuhour in the northeast; Sadr City, Kamaliya and Amin in the east; and Abu Dhsir in the southern part of the city.
Other blasts struck mixed Sunni-*****e neighborhoods, including Waziriya, Yarmouk, Jihad and Eghraiat.

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At least 50 murdered in Baghdad today. http://edition.cnn.com/2010/WORLD/me...sts/index.html

There were 14 explosions. Ten were car bombs, three were roadside bombs, and another was what's called a sticky bomb: a device that's placed on an object, many times a vehicle.

Explosions struck the *****e neighborhoods of Kadhimiya in the northwest; Amil, Bayaa and Shulaa in the southwest; Ur and Zuhour in the northeast; Sadr City, Kamaliya and Amin in the east; and Abu Dhsir in the southern part of the city.
Other blasts struck mixed Sunni-*****e neighborhoods, including Waziriya, Yarmouk, Jihad and Eghraiat.
hmmm.....Aparantly, the Hype server thinks that "Shi-ite" is the S word, as this is the second time I've seen that happen.

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hmmm.....Aparantly, the Hype server thinks that "Shi-ite" is the S word, as this is the second time I've seen that happen.

Well, if people were not idiotic enough to bypass the censors by typing it that way, we wouldn't have a problem.

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We can't just limit this thread to Islamic terror groups. There's the Basque terror group, ETA, who recently announced a cease-fire to all of their violent actions. There's also the FARC in Columbia and they've been in the news recently, especially with the capture (and eventual release) of Ingrid Betancourt. She's been on a promotional campaign to promote her book about her time as a captive of FARC.

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We can't just limit this thread to Islamic terror groups. There's the Basque terror group, ETA, who recently announced a cease-fire to all of their violent actions. There's also the FARC in Columbia and they've been in the news recently, especially with the capture (and eventual release) of Ingrid Betancourt. She's been on a promotional campaign to promote her book about her time as a captive of FARC.
Obviously, but I'm just posting what's in the news.

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Yes, name me an example of modern Christians or Jews commiting mass murder for religous reasons.
The rolled eyes were for more than just that tired and old excuses he professes, it also has to do with his attempt at pretending to be an expert and unbiased on Islam when he infact probably doesn't know anything about the religion other than some Islamophobic books and op-ed pages on the web since 9/11. BUT..if we have to play this game, I won't be satisfied with giving you just one example. I'll humor the both of you with many examples if the mods let me. Mods?

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We can't just limit this thread to Islamic terror groups. There's the Basque terror group, ETA, who recently announced a cease-fire to all of their violent actions. There's also the FARC in Columbia and they've been in the news recently, especially with the capture (and eventual release) of Ingrid Betancourt. She's been on a promotional campaign to promote her book about her time as a captive of FARC.
Let's not forget Israeli state-sponsored terrorism.

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We can't just limit this thread to Islamic terror groups. There's the Basque terror group, ETA, who recently announced a cease-fire to all of their violent actions. There's also the FARC in Columbia and they've been in the news recently, especially with the capture (and eventual release) of Ingrid Betancourt. She's been on a promotional campaign to promote her book about her time as a captive of FARC.
Though if they are like most terrorist groups, they don't mean it.

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Though if they are like most terrorist groups, they don't mean it.
Yep. Spain doubts the validity of the call for a ceasefire from ETA.

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Al Qaeda is planning more attacks.

http://www.cnn.com/2010/WORLD/europe...lot/index.html

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