Discussion: Online Piracy, Net Neutrality, Killswitch, and Other Internet Issues

[PLAS]

this thread should be in page one

it should actually be a sticky

[War Lord]

Originally Posted by sinewave

i think you're missing what's going on here. this will allow the highest bidder to monopolize the web. it's hurting small business owners, like you aspire to be.

I doubt it will hurt me. When I am a small business owner, my needs will be local, not international.

[War Lord]

Originally Posted by Superman79

Trust me. I've interned/worked in governement on all levels, including Congress. It will likely die. Now, if you start hearing the camera loving poliiticians (Frist, Durbin, Pelosi, Murtha, Hagel, etc.) talking about it on the news more than just a passing reference then be afraid...until then i wouldn't worry. Besides, in an election year they are not going to want to rock the boat too much. (Example, an ineffective, never-gonna pass marriage ammendment--done just to avoid actually making PRODUCTIVE legislation.) I'm 93% sure the Net is gonna be ok.

Monica, is that you?

You've changed so much.

[sinewave]

Originally Posted by War Lord

I doubt it will hurt me. When I am a small business owner, my needs will be local, not international.

so, you're only worried about how it will affect you personally? don't you care about any of the other small business owners that rely on the web as an important business tool? that's a rather selfish attitude.

[War Lord]

Originally Posted by sinewave

so, you're only worried about how it will affect you personally? don't you care about any of the other small business owners that rely on the web as an important business tool? that's a rather selfish attitude.

As is expecting low bandwidth users subsidizing large bandwidth users.

[sinewave]

Originally Posted by War Lord

As is expecting low bandwidth users subsidizing large bandwidth users.

huh? the net, as it is right now, is a neutral business theater. regardless of business size, they all have the same level of access and availability for consumers. changing this will only make it tougher for small businesses to compete with deep-pocketed corporations.

[War Lord]

Originally Posted by sinewave

huh? the net, as it is right now, is a neutral business theater. regardless of business size, they all have the same level of access and availability for consumers. changing this will only make it tougher for small businesses to compete with deep-pocketed corporations.

I don't think it will be any tougher than it already is. If I need a good or service, it's not that difficult to find a local one.

[sinewave]

Originally Posted by War Lord

I don't think it will be any tougher than it already is. If I need a good or service, it's not that difficult to find a local one.

we'll see...

[War Lord]

Originally Posted by sinewave

we'll see...

Until then, anything that can be said about is unfounded fear.

[Darthphere]

Originally Posted by War Lord

Until then, anything that can be said about is unfounded fear.

Or blind support.

[sinewave]

Originally Posted by War Lord

Until then, anything that can be said about is unfounded fear.

i'd say there's more to be feared by this than there is to be optimistic about. therefore, it's more like unfounded optimism at this point. i'm sure the majority of people informed on this issue would agree with that.

[War Lord]

Originally Posted by Darthphere

Or blind support.

A lack of concern is not the same as blind support.

[Darthphere]

Originally Posted by War Lord

A lack of concern is not the same as blind support.

No, you seem to be supporting it.

[War Lord]

Originally Posted by sinewave

i'd say there's more to be feared by this than there is to be optimistic about. therefore, it's more like unfounded optimism at this point. i'm sure the majority of people informed on this issue would agree with that.

The majority of people here are anti-business so it wouldn't be surprising.

[War Lord]

Originally Posted by Darthphere

No, you seem to be supporting it.

I'm not against it because I have no concerns.

That's not the same as supporting it, it's more like neutrality.

[sinewave]

Originally Posted by War Lord

The majority of people here are anti-business so it wouldn't be surprising.

there's a difference between anti-corporation and anti-business.

[War Lord]

Originally Posted by sinewave

there's a difference between anti-corporation and anti-business.

The only difference is that corporations are highly successful businesses.

[sinewave]

Originally Posted by War Lord

The only difference is that corporations are highly successful businesses.

yeah, that's the "only" difference.

for the record, i was referring to everyone on the web, not just the hype when i said i'm sure the majority would agree with my concern on this issue.

[War Lord]

Originally Posted by sinewave

yeah, that's the "only" difference.

for the record, i was referring to everyone on the web, not just the hype when i said i'm sure the majority would agree with my concern on this issue.

Since there aren't any protests, I'll take that bet.

[lazur]

Originally Posted by War Lord

I'm not against it because I have no concerns.

That's not the same as supporting it, it's more like neutrality.

See, I can't believe what I'm hearing.

Sure, in the NEAR term it won't affect you. But you know what? The government doesn't do anything TEMPORARILY. Remember the IRS? Supposed to be TEMPORARY.

Sure, for now, to minimize the negative reaction, they're saying "don't worry, this doesn't really mean anything". But what they're really saying is "just shut up and take it up the *ss", because that's what's going to happen down the road eventually, ESPECIALLY if the government turns it into yet another CASH COW powered exclusively by hard working Americans who are overshadowed by large, selfish corporations.

The internet works PERFECTLY FINE the way it is, UNMOLESTED by the government. There is absolutely NO REASON whatsoever - OTHER than greed - for the government to have ANY control over the internet.

[sinewave]

Originally Posted by War Lord

Since there aren't any protests, I'll take that bet.

wait until the major news outlets start running with this story. you'll see plenty of outrage. i know there's a lot of news about it on liberal blogs. i'll have to do some research on the conservative ones, but i bet most of them will be against it as well.

[jaguarr]

Personally, I think Jonty's just defending this garbage legislation strictly for the purpose of riling people up and nothing more.

jag

[sinewave]

Originally Posted by lazur

See, I can't believe what I'm hearing.

Sure, in the NEAR term it won't affect you. But you know what? The government doesn't do anything TEMPORARILY. Remember the IRS? Supposed to be TEMPORARY.

Sure, for now, to minimize the negative reaction, they're saying "don't worry, this doesn't really mean anything". But what they're really saying is "just shut up and take it up the *ss", because that's what's going to happen down the road eventually, ESPECIALLY if the government turns it into yet another CASH COW powered exclusively by hard working Americans who are overshadowed by large, selfish corporations.

The internet works PERFECTLY FINE the way it is, UNMOLESTED by the government. There is absolutely NO REASON whatsoever - OTHER than greed - for the government to have ANY control over the internet.

you're wasting your time. he's immune to logic.

[sinewave]

Originally Posted by jaguarr

Personally, I think Jonty's just defending this garbage legislation strictly for the purpose of riling people up and nothing more.

jag

afterall, what else is there to live for when you're a 40-something year old guy who lives with his mom, works at a gas station, doesn't date women and hangs out on superhero message boards arguing with teenagers all day.

[War Lord]

Originally Posted by sinewave

afterall, what else is there to live for when you're a 40-something year old guy who lives with his mom, works at a gas station, doesn't date women and hangs out on superhero message boards arguing with teenagers all day.

This is supposed to be bad?