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Old 05-17-2012, 05:16 PM   #726
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i don't care if coulson is live or dead

but an artificial lifeform that was not alive persay can't die
stick a spear in the chest,cease to function yes
replace damaged parts then the artificial man functions

i simply maintain there was a reason the artificial man was seen at future expo
also, coulson lacked aspects of a fully formed personality
whedon has sent a buffy bot to take the fall before, why not a marvel android

speculation yes
plausible as armored suits,thunder gods,gamma monsters,shooting flying aliens with a long bow at 100yds. HMMM

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Old 05-17-2012, 05:25 PM   #727
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An aicn writer posted an article speculating on Coulson possibly being alive, and GC read it, and asked to do an interview with him. So, here he talks about all the fan theories on his death, as well as just doing the movies, really good interview:

http://www.aintitcool.com/node/55764

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Old 05-17-2012, 05:34 PM   #728
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i simply maintain there was a reason the artificial man was seen at future expo
Yes, to be an easter egg reference for fans to see.

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Old 05-17-2012, 05:42 PM   #729
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i don't care if coulson is live or dead

but an artificial lifeform that was not alive persay can't die
stick a spear in the chest,cease to function yes
replace damaged parts then the artificial man functions

i simply maintain there was a reason the artificial man was seen at future expo
also, coulson lacked aspects of a fully formed personality
whedon has sent a buffy bot to take the fall before, why not a marvel android

speculation yes
plausible as armored suits,thunder gods,gamma monsters,shooting flying aliens with a long bow at 100yds. HMMM

I agree with you that it's plausible that Phil Coulson survived for a variety of reasons, not least of which being that this is a comic book movie. As Kevin Feige said, there are always fantastic possibilities in this genre no matter how realistic the writers try to be. Quite frankly, once you accept the existence of gods and monsters in the MCU, how much of a stretch is it to accept the possibility that Coulson somehow survived, no matter what mechanism is proposed? LMDs/androids, advanced medical technology, dumb luck, Fury lied -- all of those possibilities are plausible within the genre and the structure of the scenes.

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Old 05-17-2012, 06:14 PM   #730
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Characters don't say dead in comics what make you think they will say dead in comic book movies.

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Old 05-17-2012, 06:35 PM   #731
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The fact that actors age, die, contract issues, etc. exist. That doesn't happen in the comics.

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Old 05-17-2012, 06:41 PM   #732
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Characters don't say dead in comics what make you think they will say dead in comic book movies.
How many characters in a comic book movie have been killed on screen and then came back to life?

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Old 05-17-2012, 07:16 PM   #733
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Elektra, but that's a different story.

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Old 05-17-2012, 07:25 PM   #734
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How many characters in a comic book movie have been killed on screen and then came back to life?
Jean Grey, Elektra, Whistler (that I can think of).

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Old 05-17-2012, 07:34 PM   #735
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How many characters in a comic book movie have been killed on screen and then came back to life?
Jean Grey died and came back as the Phoenix.




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Old 05-17-2012, 08:26 PM   #736
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I fixed your link.


There has been a lot of great fanart about Phil's Captain America obsession.

http://ren-ne-rei.tumblr.com/post/22872450943

http://katfuzzmunchkin.tumblr.com/po...rica-plushie-i

http://chronaxie.tumblr.com/post/225...-cufflinks-but

http://th2p.tumblr.com/post/22573999578


The last one is my favorite.
Oh thanks haha I can never get it right. The last one is so cute

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Old 05-17-2012, 10:26 PM   #737
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An aicn writer posted an article speculating on Coulson possibly being alive, and GC read it, and asked to do an interview with him. So, here he talks about all the fan theories on his death, as well as just doing the movies, really good interview:

http://www.aintitcool.com/node/55764
Yes, VERY good interview. Thanks for that.

Good to see Clark's perspective on the scene and its aftermath. And I'd like to remind people (who may have forgotten) that the article emphasizes that MARVEL was responsible for the write-out, not Joss Whedon. That lends fuel to the conspiracy theories, because why else would Feige be so adamant about killing Coulson off? It's either a conflict with Clark Gregg (highly, HIGHLY unlikely) or else Feige's got something still in store for the saga of Son of Coul.

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Old 05-18-2012, 03:29 AM   #738
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http://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread.php?t=198883&page=9 has some early specs for the blu-ray, including another one-shot: Item 47. Considering the other 2 short revolved around Coulson, maybe item 47 is the LMD?

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Old 05-18-2012, 04:28 AM   #739
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http://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread.php?t=198883&page=9 has some early specs for the blu-ray, including another one-shot: Item 47. Considering the other 2 short revolved around Coulson, maybe item 47 is the LMD?
The Blu-Ray/DVD description is very intriguing! Thanks for posting the link.


While I have no idea what Item 47 is about, I'm very sad that it won't be another Agent Coulson short. According to Kevin Feige, Louis D'Esposito, who has been an executive producer on most of Marvel's films, directed it. Details will be released soon, I'm sure.

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Old 05-18-2012, 03:08 PM   #740
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Yes, VERY good interview. Thanks for that.

Good to see Clark's perspective on the scene and its aftermath. And I'd like to remind people (who may have forgotten) that the article emphasizes that MARVEL was responsible for the write-out, not Joss Whedon. That lends fuel to the conspiracy theories, because why else would Feige be so adamant about killing Coulson off? It's either a conflict with Clark Gregg (highly, HIGHLY unlikely) or else Feige's got something still in store for the saga of Son of Coul.
Marvel mandating it definitely adds some plausibility to theories that he'll be back, but I'm still not buying it too much yet. That people are claiming an easter egg reference to one of Cap's Invader buddies in a movie Coulson didn't even appear in means prove that he isn't dead is way too much of a reach for me.

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He could be brought back as an LMD rather than trying to say that the one who died was an LMD. That would seem to make more sense. The only thing is that it seems rather morbid to do that.

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Old 05-18-2012, 09:59 PM   #742
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He could be brought back as an LMD rather than trying to say that the one who died was an LMD. That would seem to make more sense. The only thing is that it seems rather morbid to do that.

That would actually make less sense than Phil having activated an LMD to replace him before confronting Loki. In the comics, LMD are used to double for VIPs who are in danger of assassination or death during a mission. Phil (and Fury) knew that he was being sent to confront the most dangerous being on Earth, so it would be logical for an LMD to be sent down to the detention area in his place to face the danger. That's what LMDs are. They are Life Model Decoys. Using one to replace a dead (or presumed dead) SHIELD official doesn't make sense. Its purpose is to serve as a decoy to avert danger, not to be a replacement.

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Old 05-19-2012, 12:22 AM   #743
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Marvel mandating it definitely adds some plausibility to theories that he'll be back, but I'm still not buying it too much yet. That people are claiming an easter egg reference to one of Cap's Invader buddies in a movie Coulson didn't even appear in means prove that he isn't dead is way too much of a reach for me.
Personally, I think the death scene also looks pretty ambiguous to me, the way the camera pan away when the medics rush in, and not showing his body after that. Add to the fact that Clark Gregg seems evasive about his contract with Marvel in that interview. I think Marvel just wanted to have the option to feasibly bring him or leave him dead.

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as sad as i am to see coulson go (seriously.... i was avioding that and when Gregg joked about it in an interview i thought Whedon wouldnt pull it off -- he did, but it made the story stick together and really made Coulson the center piece of the entire cienmatic continuity for the first phase) i don't want him coming back as vision or an android. No, that'd be insulting. Just ... i dunno, just make this death count. Coulson was the fanboys. The Avengers exist because of him.

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as sad as i am to see coulson go (seriously.... i was avioding that and when Gregg joked about it in an interview i thought Whedon wouldnt pull it off -- he did, but it made the story stick together and really made Coulson the center piece of the entire cienmatic continuity for the first phase) i don't want him coming back as vision or an android. No, that'd be insulting. Just ... i dunno, just make this death count. Coulson was the fanboys. The Avengers exist because of him.
That statement creeps me out a little. Are you saying Marvel thinks fanboys need to die....?

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If it was a LMD, fury wouldnt have been calling for paramedics. if he was stabbed through the heart, or anywhere else ultra critical, he wouldnt have lasted the few minutes he did. Having said that they did leave it abiguous enough by not showing what happened after he lost conciousness. Every chest injury isnt fatal. Fury tells the team that he is dead and everything he says is directed at steering them to unite as a team. Its a moot point to argue it because if they want him to stay dead, then there is a good case that he really died, if they want him to have lived they could easily bring him back in a way that fits with the whole fury is a devious liar theme. I for one believe he will be back. he was signed on to do more movies and he was popular enough. no one stays dead in the Marvel world for too long....

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If it was a LMD, fury wouldnt have been calling for paramedics. if he was stabbed through the heart, or anywhere else ultra critical, he wouldnt have lasted the few minutes he did. Having said that they did leave it abiguous enough by not showing what happened after he lost conciousness. Every chest injury isnt fatal. Fury tells the team that he is dead and everything he says is directed at steering them to unite as a team. Its a moot point to argue it because if they want him to stay dead, then there is a good case that he really died, if they want him to have lived they could easily bring him back in a way that fits with the whole fury is a devious liar theme. I for one believe he will be back. he was signed on to do more movies and he was popular enough. no one stays dead in the Marvel world for too long....

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I believe Coulson is an LMD. Just for the simple fact if you hear Black Widow right before the hellicarrier takes off from the water, she tells Coulson that "they are ready for the face trace". What would that be for? Hmmm

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I believe Coulson is an LMD. Just for the simple fact if you hear Black Widow right before the hellicarrier takes off from the water, she tells Coulson that "they are ready for the face trace". What would that be for? Hmmm

That just means they were starting the scan to find Loki and the others via face tracing.
You can't honestly think they traced his face and created a full LMD the same day?

That being said, I am not against him having been an LMD, or him being the voice of Vision. As long as Vision isn't just like him...

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Yeah just the way a couple things were said just lead me to believe that the Coulson WE saw was a LMD

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