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View Poll Results: Should Cyclops be replaced with Havok (along with Jean Grey)?
Keep them both in, having Havok as a villain for the movie 12 21.05%
Just keep Cyclops in; after all, it is First Class 32 56.14%
Keep Havok; no Cyclops please 9 15.79%
Get rid of them both 4 7.02%
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Old 08-24-2010, 10:48 AM   #76
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In the 70s, Cyclops, Jean, and Professor X were called the heart of the X-Men. That's how I like to view it. At least this film has Professor X.

PS: It's funny because all three of those characters were killed off in X3.


What's sad is that in the last 20 years Jean has been dead more often than she's been alive.

Xavier is the bastard stepchild of the X-Men.

Most characters don't get along well with Cyclops. And that's not even just the X-Men. It's the entire Marvel U.

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Old 08-24-2010, 10:49 AM   #77
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Jean keeps dying but they can't seem to keep her dead. And the books were trying to make it clear for years that the X-Men don't need Xavier anymore. Yet everytime they tried to get rid of the character he still comes back. You can't keep those three characters away. I think it's still valid.

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Things have changed. That was the 70's.
That's the exact era of comic books that I read, own and grew up on.

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Old 08-24-2010, 10:52 AM   #79
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Jean keeps dying but they can't seem to keep her dead. And the books were trying to make it clear for years that the X-Men don't need Xavier anymore. Yet everytime they tried to get rid of the character he still comes back. You can't keep those three characters away. I think it's still valid.
Jean's last appearance in the comics was in 2005. A little over 5 years ago. And even then, it was just a 6 issue miniseries.

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Still, it's pretty clear her coming back is a matter of not if but when.

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Old 08-24-2010, 11:21 AM   #81
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Still, it's pretty clear her coming back is a matter of not if but when.
The same can be said for her demise.

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It's very weird that Cyclops isn't in this movie. But that's all I really have to say. lol

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Old 08-24-2010, 12:07 PM   #83
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"The only people who stay dead in comics are Bucky, Jason Todd, and Uncle Ben."

...wait. That can't be right... "The only people who stay dead in comics are Uncle Ben and Jean Grey..?"

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Old 08-24-2010, 12:09 PM   #84
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Then what is the purpose of having Havock in this movie? Why dont they just pick another random mutant that no one has ever heard of? We dont know Havock other than being Scott's younger brother. He's never been his dad, uncle, great grand-uncle, somebody totally unrelated...always brother. So being First Class why did the writers feel it necesssary to re-write a characters history?

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Old 08-24-2010, 12:38 PM   #85
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Cyclops is literally in my top 5 X-Men, but I'm not going to be butt hurt if he's not featured in something with the X-Men in it or with their name on it.
Neither am I, and with certain properties (*cough* Wolverine: Origins *cough*) I'd actually want him to be left out. That said, the same goes for Havok. X2 really started this mess of randomly including characters, X3 and Wolverine: Origins took it to a whole 'nother level of stupid. This movie is doing the same stupid crap. There are quite a few good stories they could pull from, like the creation of Mr. Sinister, or the first showdown with the Shadow King. Magneto has many as well, from the fallout with his children, to the death of Magda.

Darwin? Azreal? Morrison's Angel Salvadore? Havok? It's almost like they have a dart board with names and they just pick them at random. Don't they realize what makes these characters interesting is how they were worked into the story IN THE FIRST PLACE?

What's Havok gonna be? Now, before you open-minded folk come along and say "well, he's got interesting powers, lets see how they use him...". Keep in mind every mutant has interesting powers. If you're going to redub Alex Summers as anything but Cyclops' younger brother, locked forever in his shadow, ever trying to be the leader that he is, then what you end up with is "interesting powers". Which is no reason to use a character ever. Make up your own if the powers are so damn interesting. He can have his own backstory, his own place in the story, and guess what you can have the same powers because there are tons of mutants with the same powers.

Furthermore, why the f*** does Xavier have hair in this. Did they even read the comics (*again*). He never had hair except when he was very, very young, and lost it in his early teens with the full manifestation of his powers. I mean it's not like this would cost them anything? Just have McAvoy shave his head.

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Furthermore, why the f*** does Xavier have hair in this. Did they even read the comics (*again*). He never had hair except when he was very, very young, and lost it in his early teens with the full manifestation of his powers. I mean it's not like this would cost them anything? Just have McAvoy shave his head.
They really said that Xavier was gonna have hair?!?!?!! Where is that..?

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They really said that Xavier was gonna have hair?!?!?!! Where is that..?
Yesterday. You can find it here: http://www.mania.com/xmen-first-clas...le_124799.html

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Old 08-24-2010, 01:38 PM   #88
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I'm glad you completely disregarded my earlier post refuting your ridiculous claims.


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Herp.

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Herp.
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So sad.

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Old 08-24-2010, 03:07 PM   #92
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Why is Havok even in this movie? Can you answer that? They could use Amelia Voight, for example. They could use Apocalypse. They could even use Christopher Summers if they're really itching to include a Summers in the movie. ALL WOULD MAKE SENSE with regards to their comic counterparts. Instead they go Havok? Really, no one in that script meeting said "waitaminute that's Scott Summers' younger brother, and Scott isn't born yet, we really can't use him"? I mean what if you had Lex Luthor running around the planet Krypton before it was destroyed? That wouldn't bother you a bit?

There is literally NO REASON to do this, other than to continue the legacy of kicking dirt on Cyclops and anything associated with him.
You know what bugs me?

We may get moaned at for going on about Havock being younger than Cyclops. But all it's creating is difficulties for any writer in the future who actually does it right... because those who have seen the first movie will be scratching their heads going 'but I thought he was older..'

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You can't have X-Men without Cyclops. Cyclops is the X-Men.
Factually not true, but I completely agree with the sentiment. It's like Justice League stories without Superman, or Power Rangers without the Green Ranger coming to save the day... possible, but kind of empty and dissapointing.

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They really said that Xavier was gonna have hair?!?!?!! Where is that..?
On his head

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You know what bugs me?

We may get moaned at for going on about Havock being younger than Cyclops. But all it's creating is difficulties for any writer in the future who actually does it right... because those who have seen the first movie will be scratching their heads going 'but I thought he was older..'
No more so than any of the other changes in the X-Universe. If anything, the fact that this is different better serves a reboot than if it were in comic book continuity. That way, if or when they reboot, it will be different enough from First Class and won't be a retread.

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That's exactly what the cast list is giving us; a laundry list of mutants who really have no place in an Xavier/Magneto story. Admittedly the stories about Xavier and Magneto pre-X-Men #1 are interesting, but why not actually, I dunno, use characters from those stories.

Mr. Sinister, The Shadow King, Lucifer, Baron Von Strucker, Cassandra Nova, Quicksilver, Scarlet Witch, Amelia Voight, Legion, young Ororo Monroe...all could have a place in this story, but they choose to throw in an extremely random who's who cast...just like Wolverine.

It's the same WTF factor as having Cyclops and Gambit randomly show up in Wolverine: Origins.
The other fallacy about fans' opinions of upcoming movies is that they feel as if the filmmakers are obligated to tell a certain story a certain way directly as we've already seen before. This does not always turn out to be a positive thing. Sure, the material is there, but if you're making a direct translation, then you're conflicting with the very idea of a film adaptation. There's nothing really wrong with it. One of the things that made the first X-Men movies so interesting (and pretty much every other successful comic adaptation) is how they managed to tell a good story utilizing a new spin on previously existing X-Men stories. By default, X3 and Wolverine did the same thing, but they did not do such a good job in its execution.

For now, we can only trust that this "laundry list" within the story that they're utilizing still does more of the same that the first X-Men movies did.

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I like the approach to this new film, so what if it doesn't have Cyclops. Cyclops is my favorite but X-men have many different characters and the casting is excellent. Also Brian Singer is producing it, I will be using what faith I have left in him to see if this movie turns out good.

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No more so than any of the other changes in the X-Universe. If anything, the fact that this is different better serves a reboot than if it were in comic book continuity. That way, if or when they reboot, it will be different enough from First Class and won't be a retread.
This is a good point. For example with Spider-Man now they don't want to use Mary Jane, and possibly not Gwen Stacy, which essentially forces them to stray from the comic (unless they do Betty Brant or Liz Allen).

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Disappointed that we still won't get any focus on Cyclops. But hey, at least we don't have a Wolverine hogging the spotlight now either.

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Oooohhhh, if only! If onlleeeeee!!

Scenes like this turned me onto the 90s cartoon and NOT the films.

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Jarvis hasn't been the leader of the x-men since the beginning of the comics.... He's barely as iconic as Alfred really..... because even your average viewer probably knows who Alfred is.

Nick Fury may be black but he's still the head of S.H.E.I.L.D.

How the Avengers are formed in film verse doesn't seem like it will change the crucial line up by much...

whiplash and .... wait who cares!?

Pepper did have the hots for Tony and somehow the movie verse didn't really screw over either character.


This is one of those changes where once again - A crucial character to the mythology gets gypped... again.

This guy's their freaking field leader, he's the fist behind Xavier's dream and not one film did him real justice.

So I think it's fair if some people "hate" on that fact as someone so put it.
See that's the point right?
The film-verse might somehow take this modification and potray it in a way that might make sense and fit in with everything else.

I realize it's severely disappointing (I was never a huge Cyke fan, but I get it) so was Shatner not being in the STAR TREK reboot...
But at the end of the day, if the character's presence doesn't suit the overall direction and storyline of the film... then his absense might make sense.

None of us can say why and how and wtf... without knowing how the movie's going to be.

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