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Old 10-22-2011, 02:05 PM   #26
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Actually, bad-assery comes with some emotion as well. Without a connection with the character, the audience will feel... well... just too alienated. In a bad way.

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You do realize that BW as a character isn't all that much of an emoter. She's a hard-ass/uber-professional who's in control at all times. The last thing I want to see is a sobby Black Widow.
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Maybe the comment was made to illustrate how good she is? Scarlet leaves a lot to be desired in the acting department.
This.

Clearly I wasn't asking for a sobbing Black Widow. Just one who has more than one facial expression.

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You do realize that BW as a character isn't all that much of an emoter. She's a hard-ass/uber-professional who's in control at all times. The last thing I want to see is a sobby Black Widow.

You clearly haven't read much Daredevil.

Black Widow in a Daredevil comic book is almost pure soap opera/ broken-hearted romance/ softcore porn. Every frickin' time.

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Old 10-22-2011, 10:34 PM   #29
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No one is a hard-tail emoter all the time. A character that never emotes is either in a tense artistic drama, surrounded by colorful characters that the audience can care about, or the movie is supposed to be a mindless guy action movie like Transporter.

So, yeah, she's going to have an emotional life. Hopefully it'll be balanced somewhere between the extremes.

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We're also hoping for an adaptation. So yeah, softcore pornstars can finally have something to work with other than ... well you get the idea.

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Black Widow and Hawkeye should get a solo movie after The Avengers.

i don't think anyone would be interested. what we need is a hulk sequel.

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Old 10-24-2011, 05:08 PM   #32
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Hulk would be a different kind of movie altogether. We could use another Hulk, but plans for that seems to be minimal, what with talks of a TV series and all.

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Have any of you read 'Black Widow: Deadly Origin' it shows that she's more than just a 'stone cold' emotionless character. I don't think it could fully work in the MCU but it was a good read and having someone out to kill everyone who Widow has ever been close to could make for an interesting film.

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I agree with you on this.

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Old 05-04-2012, 02:15 PM   #35
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I'm going to bump this thread right now! Based on the first few minutes of The Avengers alone and everything that followed, there should be no doubt they could center a really good bondesque espionage film on this character and also no doubt that Scarjo could carry it! She and Ruffalo really stood out in The Avengers to me.

Natasha is a GREAT character and deserves her own film. However, it might be more plausible to roll her out in a Black Widow vs. SHIELD type story where she is forced to go rogue, perhaps as a double double agent of sorts. Similar to her story in Earth's Mightiest. It still incorporates current continuity and allows Fury and Barton to be featured and explored as well. As she eludes pursuit we explore her character and history. We could still keep the Aim/Modok/Red Guardian angle. I think that works well.

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Yeah, she definitely should get her own film. It'd be cool if she was inserted into an enemy organization (Hydra or AIM) and had that whole thing going. I'd love to see her in her own film, really, really would. Of course, Joss would need to direct it, imho.

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You really need to talk about the characters which should appear in her film first though. Like who is her antoganist? Which of her origins is the best to adapt?

Madame Hydra would be an interesting one. You could save Baron von Strucker for the Shield movie. If they could get Angelina Jolie for Madame Hydra...oh my god way. Angelina and Scarlett in a movie together would be so kick ass.

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Just because the KGB's been defunct for 20 years doesn't mean she still can't be a Russian agent. She'll just be ex-GRU instead. And for the record, Black Widow does in fact have powers. She's the Russian version of Captain America.

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  • Peak Human Speed: Her speed is also enhanced to the peak of human capability. Natasha is as fast as a human can be without being classified as superhuman.
  • Peak Human Agility: Natasha's natural agility is heightened to the peak of human capability. She is as agile as a human being can be without being classified as superhuman.
  • Peak Human Reflexes: Her reaction time is similarly enhanced and functions with the peak of human efficiency and capability.
  • Peak Human Durability: Natasha's bodily tissues have been augmented to the pinnacle of human development. Though she can be injured in the typical ways other humans can be, she is as physically tough as a human being can be without being classified as superhuman.
  • Peak Human Senses: Her five senses are enhanced and function at peak of human perfection.
  • Peak Human Immune System: While she is susceptible to disease like all other ordinary humans, her ability to resist and recover from them is heightened to the peak of human capability.
  • Extended Longevity: The serum variant has also extended her lifespan by dramatically slowing her natural aging process. Although she is almost 70 years old, she has the youthful appearance and vitality of a woman in the physical prime of her life.
So taking the last bit into account, she can in fact be an ex-KGB member. Personally I think it'd be pretty neat if they did include that in the movie's backstory and make her 70 years old. It'd be great if they included that bit from her backstory where Captain America saved her as a child as well as her decades long romance with the Winter Soldier.

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You really need to talk about the characters which should appear in her film first though. Like who is her antoganist? Which of her origins is the best to adapt?
They could use her husband the Red Guardian, the Soviet version of Captain America.

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She mentioned Hawkeye sparing her life. They could delve a little more into her dark past.

Viper and maybe a Hydra version of the Serpent Soceity?

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She mentioned Hawkeye sparing her life. They could delve a little more into her dark past.
Yeah I know! Especially with the success that the Avengers is getting.

An $80 million budget movie for both Black Widow and Hawkeye wouldn't be a gamble for them to make.

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Yeah, Black Widow clearly doesn't have any of those powers in the films. She and Hawkeye are clearly peak human while Cap is clearly enhanced.

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You really need to talk about the characters which should appear in her film first though. Like who is her antoganist? Which of her origins is the best to adapt?

Madame Hydra would be an interesting one. You could save Baron von Strucker for the Shield movie. If they could get Angelina Jolie for Madame Hydra...oh my god way. Angelina and Scarlett in a movie together would be so kick ass.
I think Hyrda, in its entirety should be saved for Captain America. They are, in movie terms, Captain America villains, and seeing their evolution as his antagonists would be more rewarding than passing them around.

I think, since we met her infiltrating a company, making AIM (ostensibly a private corporation at first) and MODOK specifically her antagonist could be interesting. You could tie together MODOK, and his creation with possibly Pym, or whatever Edgar Wright does that can be used in the modern day, and just... keep going with it. Could be cool. Especially if George Tarleton (MODOK pre-MODOK) had a hand in her conditioning.

Based on her lines in the film, I believe they went with the second origin for her, where she was trained as an agent from pre-puberty. Obviously, her husband/failed/thought dead Super soldier, the Red Guardian (probably on that aggressive stuff Blonsky was on). He'll double as an assisting antagonist and the love interest. Plenty of AIM mooks. I think including Super Adaptoid might be a good movie too, perhaps as the 'big invention', a robot that copies moves, with enough nanobots to perhaps copy devices and weapons as well. Could be interesting.

If she's infiltrating AIM, then other AIM characters, some sympathetic and some not so much should be involved. Monica Rappacini could be a great CEO character, or just stick with George Clinton. Somewhere in my head I see them experimenting on children and teenagers, perhaps young versions of Spider-Woman, Lifeform and Protcyde are being held in detention cells, which might be an interesting way to get at Black Widow's maternal side as she tries to get these kids with powers out, which she identifies with from her childhood in training, while still completing her mission.

Another fun twist might be that AIM has to steal something from SHIELD, perhaps an old Hydra Canister of Cosmic Cube energy in order to power Super Adaptoid, and Natasha has to help to keep her cover, and then cover that she has easy access to SHIELD anyway, as well as fight Maria Hill and maybe even Hawkeye. Could be fun.

Basically, instead of trying to create some sort of normal life for her, make all the people in her intelligence life interesting and part of her emotional life.

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I'd love to see more of the Widow, including her backstory, but I'm not entirely sure a full solo movie is the way to go. Instead, I'd prefer to see a catch-all SHIELD movie centering on Fury, Natasha, Hawkeye, Coulson and Hill, with some other cameos from SHIELD in the comics.

I'm not that big on the idea of seeing solo films for characters who are traditionally "team players" who never really headlined their own titles (at least for more than a few issues). Ant-Man, Black Widow and Hawkeye are some of the ones I'm thinking about. (Although it looks more and more like Ant-Man is about to become the real deal, so by god, if Hank Pym can get his own joint, Natasha can, too.)

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I'd love to see more of the Widow, including her backstory, but I'm not entirely sure a full solo movie is the way to go. Instead, I'd prefer to see a catch-all SHIELD movie centering on Fury, Natasha, Hawkeye, Coulson and Hill, with some other cameos from SHIELD in the comics.

I'm not that big on the idea of seeing solo films for characters who are traditionally "team players" who never really headlined their own titles (at least for more than a few issues). Ant-Man, Black Widow and Hawkeye are some of the ones I'm thinking about. (Although it looks more and more like Ant-Man is about to become the real deal, so by god, if Hank Pym can get his own joint, Natasha can, too.)
Hawkeye has definitely had some runs as his own character. A lot more than the others.

I would be fine with a movie just titled;
Black Widow & Hawkeye

Or even rip off X-Men and go with;

Marvel's The Avengers Origins
Black Widow & Hawkeye

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I'd want it to be a prequel centering around when Black Widow was bad and Hawkeye was sent to stop her. After a long (awesome) battle, Hawkeye overcomes the entire enemy including the Black Widow, and choosing not to kill her. You could easily include Nick Fury and Agent Coulson in the film -- maybe Maria Hill (although I think she'd be better off saved going forward) if you really wanted.

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They should definitely give this a try, it'd be great if they dug up the old David Hayter script. I love all that cold war stuff and I think it jives pretty well with Natasha's past and character.

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I'd be cool with a Black Widow & Hawkeye movie. When would it be made? That would be the issue, too many other properties I'd rather see.

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I'd be cool with a Black Widow & Hawkeye movie. When would it be made? That would be the issue, too many other properties I'd rather see.
To be frank, they could probably make it along with the other films. A Black Widow and Hawkeye movie probably could be done a far smaller budget than the other films.

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Make this movie happen!

It will totally be better than Catwoman and Elektra!

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I'm kind of curious what her movie origins are. In the comic book, she ensnared Hawkeye into her plans before going good but then, in the film, she makes it seem like they didn't meet until he spared her.

However, she could have been lying and then that list Loki had, including an orphanage?

It would also be awesome to have some flashback Coulson, maybe even more action like A Funny Thing Happened on the Way to Thor's Hammer since he started off as a Ranger.

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i basically want Budapest: the movie

natasha revealed to banner that she was recruited very very young. i want to see this, i want to see the grit, and show us some of the red in her ledger
tell it in flashbacks, or intro to movie or whatever, but we need to see that she's actually done a lot of damage in the past to atone for

then progress to where hawkeye is sent to take her out. develop it from there, super huge mission in budapest as the big hurrah and maybe end it with her taking that job where she ends up tied to the chair at the beginning of avengers

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