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Old 11-16-2008, 11:18 PM   #1
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Alright, I know that we already have an INCREDIBLY helpful costume thread, but something that I don't often see discussed is how to make a decent looking eye lens. I have seen numerous AWESOME frame castings, but what do we know about the lens themselves? I know that in the first movie they were made by Oakley. Other than that I've heard a ton of different and conflicting information as to how to make really great looking lens. I've heard that they're lined with "screen-door" mesh painted silver, panty-hose fabric glued underneath tinted plastic, silver reflective plastic film, custom trimmed sunglass lenses, one way glass, aluminum foil, and a whole host of other things. The problem is that there are really not very many close shots of the lens on the "Intar-Webs" leaving the construction up to our imaginations. I have seen some REALLY nice lens on the costume board, but they're usually either "made by a friend" or a "secret" process. I think that the "eyes" are one of the most striking features of the entire costume and one of the hardest to get right. The eyes are the very first thing that a viewer is drawn to look at (well, hopefully ) and I think that they can "make or break" the entire costume more than any other feature. I'm sure that we've all seen some of those suits on eBay with the cheesy looking silver foil lens. IMO they make a costume that COULD have looked half decent, kind of junky. As much as we've all debated fabric patterns and webbing edge beveling and silk-screen vs dye sublimation here, I'm surprised by the relatively sparse amount of information about the lens. It's either because no one really knows how to do it "right" or because those that DO know are being very secretive. There have been a few people that claimed to have seen or even own screen used lens, but I've never really seen any close up photo's or a decent description of how someone could go about making a relatively decent looking set (while granting the fact that most of us can't cast our own polycarbonate lens, or blow glass ). This is a pic of a screen used mask that is missing its "eyes" and I really think that it's missing it's soul. I would rather own a great replica mask with kick-ass lens, then a screen-used mask with no lens.

So this thread is to discuss different lens techniques (both "movie accurate" AND techniques that simply "look good"). I'll start it off by telling that I've recently "spoken" with the owner of one of the authentic masks from Spider-Man 3. He told me that as near as he can tell, there is some sort of fine mesh on the inside, but he really couldn't see anything else. I asked him if there was any sort of clear, glasslike covering over the mesh to make it look like a polished lens, but he said "no" he couldn't see anything (which seems odd to me). I guess untill one of us actually gets our hands on a genuine frame/lens combo, we'll just have to guess. So what do you say Gents? What works well for you?


"Spidey with no eyes makes the baby Jesus cry."


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Old 11-17-2008, 03:32 AM   #2
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I was just wondering where you get the mesh from?

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Old 11-17-2008, 05:36 AM   #3
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No idea..... but it would be nice to find out.



I just use mesh.

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Old 11-17-2008, 06:04 AM   #4
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I would say..
A fine mesh that SpidermanC used once with a clear plastic layer over the top.
The plastic could be lacquered and polished to make it really shine

The frames are hard and sprayed matte black

I believe Spidey 2+3 had a hint of airbrushing on the inside rim



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Old 11-17-2008, 07:57 AM   #5
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I would say..
A fine mesh that SpidermanC used once with a clear plastic layer over the top.
The plastic could be lacquered and polished to make it really shine

The frames are hard and sprayed matte black

I believe Spidey 2+3 had a hint of airbrushing on the inside rim
Yes, I think that the polished "glass" look hides a mulitude of sins as far as what's used for the mesh layer. People just notice that the lens are shiny and don't see the underlayer as much (from a distance anyway). But what makes a good "glass" look, is polishable, AND can be curved to match the frames?

Brad, your lens look really nice. What do you use over top of the mesh to give that effect? The mesh you're using seems more like a "wide pore" mesh from an art store than the "window screen" mesh that I've seen some people use. I would imagine that it's much easier to see through.

So, if we consider the lens as two parts, the inner "mesh layer" and the outer "glass layer", which layer is more important as far as giving that crisp lens look? The end objective is to make the eyes look "special", like something Peter Parker made in his lab (I would imagine ).

So, glass or mesh? What's more crucial? Or are they equally important? And what's the best way to achieve either one that doesn't require a special order from Oakley?


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Old 11-17-2008, 04:46 PM   #6
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Here are a couple pictures of experimental lens techniques (these are not mine. They were made by a very talented individual named Fenella Arlidge out of the UK). One lens is using a fabric mesh painted silver. The other is made out of silver "one way" mirrored film. I think I prefer the silver mesh, and the dark airbrushing looks nice, but something's still not quite right.










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Old 11-18-2008, 07:07 PM   #7
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Here's a picture that may be of interest.


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Old 11-18-2008, 07:44 PM   #8
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Yeah, that's beautiful. I recognize it from a set of photos that has been floating around eBay ( http://cgi.ebay.com/Spiderman-Costum...1%7C240%3A1318 ) , and here on "The Hype", although I've never seen this particular photo. Damn that's nice looking. So Brad, how do you do your lenses (and no, you don't have to give away any secrets if you don't want to )


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Where did you get that picture Brad? Looks like a photoshop by Ernie..

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Old 11-18-2008, 07:49 PM   #10
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Come on SpideyC. Don't just "Hit and Run". Are you going to post some pictures of your awesome frame/lens combos? Or am I going to have to say "please" again?


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Come on SpideyC. Don't just "Hit and Run". Are you going to post some pictures of your awesome frame/lens combos? Or am I going to have to say "please" again?
Taylor u had started a very good Thread, im very agree with u , a perfect spidey suit is very important for a pair of lenses.

yes , master ( spiderman C ) please post us some picture.

by the way spiderman C ur two spidey costume ( yuri's and brad's ) with webbing , u sold both already ??


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Old 11-18-2008, 09:23 PM   #12
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I got that pic from a guy in Japan. He was looking to buy a faceshell like that and asked if I had one. I WISH!!!!

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I got that pic from a guy in Japan. He was looking to buy a faceshell like that and asked if I had one. I WISH!!!!
Brad, You should have pointed him toward that eBay auction I linked to. It sold for ONLY $105

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Brad, You should have pointed him toward that eBay auction I linked to. It sold for ONLY $105
but Taylor , i though this auction is fake ? many ppl give me advice not to bid. by the way, i will try discuss with my friend to make this type of faceshell. hope that we can make it.

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but Taylor , i though this auction is fake ? many ppl give me advice not to bid. by the way, i will try discuss with my friend to make this type of faceshell. hope that we can make it.
Yes, it WAS fake my friend. Just a little of my dopey old Yank humor. It's a VERY good thing that you did NOT bid on it.

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Yes, it WAS fake my friend. Just a little of my dopey old Yank humor. It's a VERY good thing that you did NOT bid on it.
yes , thanks to all that give me advice not to bid.cause i need a face shell for my yuri's spidey costume.

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Come on SpideyC. Don't just "Hit and Run". Are you going to post some pictures of your awesome frame/lens combos? Or am I going to have to say "please" again?
It wasn't a hit and run lol, I'm still right here. I made a logical guess, considering that's the same, very vibrant white carpet, lighting, and faceshell position as one of Ernie's pictures earlier.

You can tell it's photoshopped because:
- The hooks on the eyes don't even match up with the distance between the holes on the faceschell. LOL
- The carpet goes STRAIGHT up the picture, which means the picture was taken at 'birdeyes view'. Yet, the perspective on the lenses don't match up with that straight down angle on the faceshell. The picture of the lenses would have had to been taken at atleast a 30 degree angle off the ground.. LOL
- Look in the eyes of the faceshell; its a mannequin head, not carpet.. yet the faceshell lays flat on the carpet? it's missing a back half? That's a pretty weird mannequin head! LOL

Also, it's not that I don't want to post pictures, I just don't have any new ones.. I sold the suit to a member on these boards awhile back... maybe he'll post some pics?


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You can tell it's photoshopped because:
- The hooks on the eyes don't even match up with the distance between the holes on the faceschell. LOL
Those eye hooks that your referring to dont clip into the top of the mask. Why would you even think that? They go behind the eye holes, kind of like sliding them in and then dropping the side down. If they went on the front the fabric would have to have holes in it, and it wouldn't even remotely look right because the eye peice would be sticking into the face STICKING STRAIGHT OUT. Think about it. No really take a seconed. Your claim is completely off.

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- The carpet goes STRAIGHT up the picture, which means the picture was taken at 'birdeyes view'. Yet, the perspective on the lenses don't match up with that straight down angle on the faceshell. The picture of the lenses would have had to been taken at atleast a 30 degree angle off the ground.. LOL
It looks like a peice of bathroom mat or textured material that is lying against a wall causing it to curve. So its on the ground and it goes up a wall with the mask sitting on it vertically. You can even see where the material beinds horizontally across the wall. The mask is not lying flat, its standing up on its own.

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- Look in the eyes of the faceshell; its a mannequin head, not carpet.. yet the faceshell lays flat on the carpet? it's missing a back half? That's a pretty weird mannequin head! LOL
Or it could be the same fabric rolled up into a tube type shape and put inside the mask. There is nothing at all that indicates it is a manniquen head. Only that its a chunk of rolled fabric.

I think you picture analysis skills need some work.

ohh and LOL


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It wasn't a hit and run lol, I'm still right here. I made a logical guess, considering that's the same, very vibrant white carpet, lighting, and faceshell position as one of Ernie's pictures earlier.

You can tell it's photoshopped because:
- The hooks on the eyes don't even match up with the distance between the holes on the faceschell. LOL
- The carpet goes STRAIGHT up the picture, which means the picture was taken at 'birdeyes view'. Yet, the perspective on the lenses don't match up with that straight down angle on the faceshell. The picture of the lenses would have had to been taken at atleast a 30 degree angle off the ground.. LOL
- Look in the eyes of the faceshell; its a mannequin head, not carpet.. yet the faceshell lays flat on the carpet? it's missing a back half? That's a pretty weird mannequin head! LOL




Also, it's not that I don't want to post pictures, I just don't have any new ones.. I sold the suit to a member on these boards awhile back... maybe he'll post some pics?
No no my friend, I think you may have misunderstood what I was saying. I wasn't questioning your belief in the face shell photos (although I have to agree with our fiesty friend Mr. Sparkus. I believe that the pictures are real, I just think that Ernie, ermmmm, "appropriated" them for his own uses.) but regardless of the picture, I was saying that YOU, buddy-roo, have had some of the NICEST frames/lens combos of ANY of us in your hands (I remember you once trying to decide between using a pair of Fettster's or a pair of Yuri's. It's a rough life you lead. ). Surely you must have some pictures of how they were constructed. Or if not, maybe you can just tell us what you remember about how they were made. You among all of us have the unique position of having actually seen, touched, (smelled?, licked?) some VERY nice replicas from guys that don't even make them anymore. Tell us what you remember. Come on, Please? I'll let you have my lunch. I'll be your best friend!


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Two layers of mesh with some air brushing.

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Up CLOSE..................



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HOLY SHETTAKE MUSHROOMS! THAT'S BEAUTIFUL!!!! Brad, I'm seriously weighing the difficulty involved in flying to Australia and kidnapping you in order to force you to give me that mask against the various jail times I would recieve (plus a possible ass-kicking from you and/or Mrs. Brad during my ill-concieved "abduction" attempt). Still, it might be worth it. That's the mask I want to be buried in when I die!! I don't even know how you sleep at night. If I were you I would just stay up ALL night long, playing with all of my cool stuff and trying to eat ice-cream while wearing that mask!


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HOLY ****TAKE MUSHROOMS! THAT'S BEAUTIFUL!!!! Brad, I'm seriously weighing the difficulty involved in flying to Australia and kidnapping you in order to force you to give me that mask against the various jail times I would recieve (plus a possible ass-kicking from you and/or Mrs. Brad during my ill-concieved "abduction" attempt). Still, it might be worth it. That's the mask I want to be buried in when I die!! I don't even know how you sleep at night. If I were you I would just stay up ALL night long, playing with all of my cool stuff and trying to eat ice-cream while wearing that mask!
LOL.. yeah Im pretty happy with it....



PLEASE MJ..... DONT HOLD ON SO TIGHT.. YOU'RE CHOKING ME....

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PLEASE MJ..... DONT HOLD ON SO TIGHT.. YOU'RE CHOKING ME....
That's not M.J.'s hand, that's ME trying to tear the mask away from you and run for the hills where I'll live in a cave and talk to the mask just like Tom Hanks did with the soccer ball "Wilson" in the movie "Castaway". LET GO Brad, Quit holding on so tightly!!

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Those eye hooks that your referring to dont clip into the top of the mask. Why would you even think that? They go behind the eye holes, kind of like sliding them in and then dropping the side down. If they went on the front the fabric would have to have holes in it, and it wouldn't even remotely look right because the eye peice would be sticking into the face STICKING STRAIGHT OUT. Think about it. No really take a seconed. Your claim is completely off.
How does that make my ''claim completely off"? It only supports my 'unrealistic photoshop picture' theory. The failure is due from a lack of understanding of the piece trying to be created.

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It looks like a peice of bathroom mat or textured material that is lying against a wall causing it to curve. So its on the ground and it goes up a wall with the mask sitting on it vertically. You can even see where the material beinds horizontally across the wall. The mask is not lying flat, its standing up on its own.
I would hope you're not serious about what you said above.. Do you realize the perspective and depth of how that picture would look? If that were how the picture was taken, there would be extreme lighting differences. Yet there's almost no change in values.

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Or it could be the same fabric rolled up into a tube type shape and put inside the mask. There is nothing at all that indicates it is a manniquen head. Only that its a chunk of rolled fabric.

I think you picture analysis skills need some work.
First of all, why would anyone stuff a solid fiberglass shell with carpet? Second, How might one roll up a tube that fits perfectly in the shell and has no creases, folds, or value changes..?

Oh, and here's another one for you, can you explain the unrealistic edges /complete lack of shadows on the lenses?

I think your picture analysis skills need some work as well ol' chap.

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