Which had the better second act-Spidey or X-Men?

[Chris Wallace]

Originally Posted by El Payaso

So was Spiderman 1.

The ONLY superhero film I like more than Spider-Man 1 is Spider-Man 2.

Originally Posted by Willie Lumpkin

This is a tricky question because I think Spidey 2 was a better overall, stand-alone film, but in terms of developing the story and characters and acting as a true "second act" to the broader trilogy, X-Men was better.

X-Men had a well constructed three film arc and even though the Spider-man films were better in many ways I don't think they built and developed themselves as skillfully as the X-Men three-story arc.

I can understand that sentiment, but I don't agree with it. With Spidey, I felt like the actors had gotten more settled into their roles, and I really appreciated the character development. Seeing Peter struggle to find balance between his duties as Spider-Man and attempting to live a life-at which he initially failed miserably-made for great storytelling. I liked seeing Harry deal with his demons and his vendetta. And while MJ could've been less desperate and needy throughout for my tastes, I understood where that came from and in the end she came out strong. X2 seemed kinda lost in some ways and contradicted both itself and its predecessor at times. Some characters had developed while others seemingly regressed or diminished for the sake of moving the story where they wanted it to go rather than where it would have gone naturally. Halle abandoned any attempt to truly be Storm and basically just played herself. What was the point in Deathstrike carrying a plastic gun if her body was loaded with metal? Rogue could suddenly touch people for up to 30 seconds without knocking them out. A bullet to the head puts Wolverine out cold? Since when? And how does a telepath of Xavier's caliber succumb so easily to an illusion-especially when he knows who's doing it? If Jean could power up a plane and halt a tidal wave, why couldn't she just levitate herself out of harm's way? How could she stop one missile and not the other? I'm a fan of X2, but the holes in it are abundant.

[El Payaso]

Originally Posted by Chris Wallace

The ONLY superhero film I like more than Spider-Man 1 is Spider-Man 2.

[Spidey-Quad]

Originally Posted by SuperT

I really never understood why people thought Spiderman 2 was amazing. I thought it was good but nothing like people kept building it up to be.

X2 still wow's me every time I watch. My favorite superhero movie of all time.

Well Duh! Just look at your Avatar, you like X-Men

Guess who I picked ...

[co2]

Originally Posted by Spidey-Quad

Well Duh! Just look at your Avatar, you like X-Men

Guess who I picked ...

............................Underdog?

[Doc Ock]

I don't like picking between the two as I love both films...I need to rewatch the both of them again!

[Spidey 2007]

X2 for me easily. I loved the feel of it and I just personally love and have a strong connection to the X-men and their movies. X2 is a sweeping epic thats always a joy to watch for me.

Spider-Man 2 is my least favorite Spidey flick. Something seemed off about it to me, I found it rather boring on the 3rd or 4th time I watched it. Where as X2 and many other 2's, I can watch endlessly. Spidey 1 and 3 arent nearly as boring to me. As far as Spider-man goes I enjoy the more in your face/energetic style that 1 and 3 have. On a technical level Spider-man 2 is simply amazing, and I can appreciate that at least, I just think its highly over rated on a whole.

For the record I think x3 is pretty trash compared to X1 and 2. Its an insult to the first 2. A shame really.

[spider-neil]

SM2.
I think the second act is the best second act in a superhero movie, fullstop (including TDK). the clocktower to the train, the reveal to harry, the final ock battle and the fusion machine, MINDBLOWING!

[Chris Wallace]

Originally Posted by spider-neil

SM2.
I think the second act is the best second act in a superhero movie, fullstop (including TDK). the clocktower to the train, the reveal to harry, the final ock battle and the fusion machine, MINDBLOWING!

^This.

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

This is a hard one for me, X-Men and Spiderman are my 2 favourite heroes, always have been, always will be, both films are fantastic too, I dont care what anyone says, in terms of Marvel movies at least, they are yet to be beaten, but I would just have to give the edge to X2 here.

Originally Posted by Chris Wallace

I can understand that sentiment, but I don't agree with it. With Spidey, I felt like the actors had gotten more settled into their roles, and I really appreciated the character development. Seeing Peter struggle to find balance between his duties as Spider-Man and attempting to live a life-at which he initially failed miserably-made for great storytelling. I liked seeing Harry deal with his demons and his vendetta. And while MJ could've been less desperate and needy throughout for my tastes, I understood where that came from and in the end she came out strong. X2 seemed kinda lost in some ways and contradicted both itself and its predecessor at times. Some characters had developed while others seemingly regressed or diminished for the sake of moving the story where they wanted it to go rather than where it would have gone naturally. Halle abandoned any attempt to truly be Storm and basically just played herself. What was the point in Deathstrike carrying a plastic gun if her body was loaded with metal? Rogue could suddenly touch people for up to 30 seconds without knocking them out. A bullet to the head puts Wolverine out cold? Since when? And how does a telepath of Xavier's caliber succumb so easily to an illusion-especially when he knows who's doing it? If Jean could power up a plane and halt a tidal wave, why couldn't she just levitate herself out of harm's way? How could she stop one missile and not the other? I'm a fan of X2, but the holes in it are abundant.

Most of those holes as you call them could easily be explained, I could do it myself, but just cant be bothered. Not to mention, there are just as many holes in Spiderman 2, Ock throwing a car directly at Peter without the knowledge he was Spiderman, Spidey's punches not caving Ock's face in, yet an umbrella swing from Aunt May takes him out for 30 seconds at leasy, Spidey surviving falls while losing his powers that would obliterate a normal human, Ock not leaving his machine to save his wife when she was clearly in danger, these are all just off the top of my head without watching the movie in over a year. Both have holes, and plenty of them, yet the good outways the bad so much in both its unbelievable.

What I love about both movies is that both of them have some of the best action scene's in the genre, yet the dramatic scene's in both are just as good as any scene in both.

[ghostrider92]

x2 is better then spiderman 2 .

[Chris Wallace]

Originally Posted by AVEITWITHJAMON

This is a hard one for me, X-Men and Spiderman are my 2 favourite heroes, always have been, always will be, both films are fantastic too, I dont care what anyone says, in terms of Marvel movies at least, they are yet to be beaten, but I would just have to give the edge to X2 here.





Most of those holes as you call them could easily be explained, I could do it myself, but just cant be bothered. Not to mention, there are just as many holes in Spiderman 2, Ock throwing a car directly at Peter without the knowledge he was Spiderman, Spidey's punches not caving Ock's face in, yet an umbrella swing from Aunt May takes him out for 30 seconds at leasy, Spidey surviving falls while losing his powers that would obliterate a normal human, Ock not leaving his machine to save his wife when she was clearly in danger, these are all just off the top of my head without watching the movie in over a year. Both have holes, and plenty of them, yet the good outways the bad so much in both its unbelievable.

What I love about both movies is that both of them have some of the best action scene's in the genre, yet the dramatic scene's in both are just as good as any scene in both.

I pointed out those holes in response to the statement that X2 had better development & was a better progression of its story than Spidey 2, when in fact it contradicted its predecessor many times over. I forgot about the part where Mystique was able to pass for Jean until Wolverine discovered the very scars that he gave her the last time she'd tried to trick him. Did he forget what she smelled like?
True, none of these exactly ruined my enjoyment or else the movie would not be on my DVD shelf now. But your complaints on Spidey seem to be coantradictions in terms of reality while my X2 nitpicks have to do with inconsistencies within the story.

[slicer4444]

tough call, but I'm leaning toward Spider-Man 2. but maybe it's because Spider-man's been my favorite superhero since i was 5....

[NewOthello]

Spider-man 2 was a lot better in my opinion. The train fight is great. X2 is good also but not as exciting to me.

[The Joker]

Easily Spider-Man 2. Better story, better villain, and a deeper emotional core. Plus the action in Spider-Man 2 blows X-Men 2's out of the water. The Nightcrawler sequence in the White House is the only scene that rivals Spider-Man 2's action.

[Chris Wallace]

I'd put the Wolverine/Deathstrike fight at a moderately close second.

[Mary Jane Watson]

Spider man 2. hands down!
When I was like in 10 years old, when that movie came out. I just cant explain how much i loved that movie..! I even watched that movie for like 100 times or more than that when if i cant sleep, i would pick that movie to make me fall asleep..if you know what i am talking about.
It is so funny cuz yesterday, i randomly found X2 in my tv..so I decided to watch it anyways. That movie is pretty alright but it was not that exciting for me.
But it is just me

[Mary Jane Watson]

excused for my bad grammar!

[SuperT]

The Nightcrawler sequence in the White House is the only scene that rivals Spider-Man 2's action.

Would really have to disagree with you on that one man. In addition the the opening Nighcrawler scene:

- Stryker's men invading the mansion
- Storm w/ the tornados/dogfighting scene in the X-Jet
- The scene at Bobby Drake's house
- Mystique infiltrating Strykers base
- Wolvie vs. Deathstrike

I'm sure there's few more I'm missing.

[Chris Wallace]

I don't think any of those could touch Spidey 2's action, except for the last.

[El Payaso]

Originally Posted by Chris Wallace

I don't think any of those could touch Spidey 2's action, except for the last.

Same here. For me not even the last one.

[Chris Wallace]

And not one of them has a hope in hell of touching the train scene.

[DACrowe]

While X1 and X2 are better than SM3, every Raimi-Spider film was better than its "act" counterpart in the X franchise.

SM1>X1
SM2>X2
SM3>X3

But Singer's movies were better than SM3. It's just however high the X-films got for the genre (at the time) Spidey would pass it. And when both fell on their third installment, X-Men fell much lower, in my opinion.

[DACrowe]

I will add from the time Spidey swings to the clock tower until the credits roll, SM2 is perfect. It has the most satisfying third act of any superhero movie. Sure TDK is better overall, but it peaked with Harvey Dent getting scarred and Joker escaping. SM2 peaked with the train, but that was really part of one epic, punctuated climax, in my opinion.

[3dman27]

my votes for the alleged weasel

[The Caped Knight]

SPIDER-MAN 2, without question the story was solid, the cast was prefect , Doc Ock was outstanding , the visual effects were very impressive and the train fight sequence between spidey vs. Doc Ock is unmatched