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The Green Goblin 44 31.21%
Doctor Octopus 97 68.79%
New Goblin 13 9.22%
Sandman 12 8.51%
Venom 14 9.93%
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Old 11-11-2010, 10:44 AM   #1
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Question Favorite villain of the trilogy?

The Green Goblin





Doctor Octopus





New Goblin





Sandman





Venom






Personally, I loved Doc Ock the best. He was by far the best villain of the trilogy for me. I loved every second of him. I think Alfred Molina gave a terrific performance as Ock. He gave a performance that was villainous, menacing, warm hearted, and even sympathetic.

Granted Doc Ock was changed in certain aspects of his character, but he was nonetheless a compelling villain IMO. Some of my fav scenes with him include:

-The demonstration scene. When he strapped on the tentacles and willed them to life I got goose bumps. Loved the bit where he viciously smashed Spider-Man into a wall when he tried to unplug the reactor. A little foreshadowing of the violence and irrationality Octavius was capable of when it came to his life's work

-The scene in his warehouse lair where he turns evil. The creepy music, the way the tentacles wavered around his head menacingly, how he slowly comes around to their influence with that lunatic smile "Yesssssss"

-The cafe scene:
Ock: "I want you to find your friend Spider-Man. Tell him to meet me at the West side tower at 3 O'Clock"
Peter: "But I don't know where he is"
Ock: *Removes his shades with a tentacle* "Find him. Or I'll peel the flesh off her bones"
Peter: "If you lay one finger on her...."
Ock: "You'll do what???"

-The scene where the train passengers stood up to him to protect Spidey, and he just grinned and swiped them all aside.

-All the fight scenes with him rocked. Every single one.

I love how Doc Ock's story was a parallel to Peter's. Peter was being irresponsible by giving up being Spider-Man in order to live his dream of a normal life. Octavius was being irresponsible by doing evil things in order to make his dream happen. The fact their connection was more on a conceptual level added strength to the story.

When Ock wasn't on screen I was eagerly anticipating his return. He was visually stunning, and Molina looked like he was having a ball playing the villain.


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Old 11-11-2010, 04:24 PM   #2
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Great thread and great post!

And I agree with all you have said on Doc Ock in SM2. Especially the "tentacles coming to life". One of (if not the) my favorite scenes in the franchise. Still gives me goose bumps.

The only aspect of Octavius that misses the mark with me in SM2 was the scene with Peter and his wife, where he advises Peter to read his love poetry. But that is still not unbearable thanks mainly to how good Molina was overall. How commanding of the screen he was. When he was not on screen, the movie suffered IMO, he was that good.

And the action scenes in SM2... Total Geek out for me, and felt like the comic page just came to life on the screen. Loved the wall battle and all the way through the train battle sequence. Greatness!

The final battle was a let down by the standard(s) that had already been established in the movie is my only other compaint regarding the overall battles of the movie.

GG - Probably my favorite villain from reading spider-man comics growing up. And GG was good, but not GREAT. Weaknesses were obviously the Costume number 1. Where Ock looked great, GG did not. Granted it was the first, (although that is still not a good excuse), but given they had a chance to redeem themselves on the cosutume with New Goblin... they really failed miserably with the second chance at the costume.

Overall storyline for GG, good not great. No Goblin Legacy of killing the girl Peter loves. Very little mind games when Norman discovers Peter's secret. Dafoe's acting, good but I wanted more.

New Goblin. Overall storyline/development for Harry was the best for the franchise. Harry was a great character and a standout performance for Franco. Great actor and looking forward to 127 hours.

But, the costume fell flat from a second chance to wrong the rights of the first Goblin Costume. New Goblin felt overall nothing like a Goblin to me.

The action scenes between New Goblin and Spidey (basically Harry vs Peter... Brother vs. Brother) were excellent. Not as good as Spidey vs. Ock, but probably in second just from the action itself. LOVED the brother vs. brother, cafe scene... "How's the pie... It's sooo good"... and the confrontation at Osborn's mansion. LOVED IT!!! I wanted MORE of that in SM3. I wanted more mind games too, but since Raimi's Spider-Man felt closed in (since it centered on the three so much (Peter/MJ/Harry), it left little real room to fully explore this aspect of the storyline.

Sandman. Stunning origin visually. Logically not so much. Loved the reaching for the locket, loved the music.. good CGI. Battles with Spidey? good but not great. I have never been a Sandman fan so I am sure I am biased some here. Did not like the giant Sandman roaring like a T-Rex.. or 60 foot sandman in final battle. Did not like the flying sandman (on the wind) either. I think THC did a good job in the role, and loved his acting ability in the "foregiveness" speech at the end. It showed his chops as an actor.

Venom. One of my favorite villains if you add in the Symbiote and it's effect on Peter. I feel we got slighted with the symbiote's effect on Peter in SM3. We got more of the Emo/dancing Peter as opposed to a truely conflicted Peter dealing with his own personal demons. IF they ever do it again, I hope they really push the limits of this.

Topher Grace I thought was excellent as Brock/Venom. I loved every time Venom was on the Screen. "Hey Parker..." and "Never wound what you cannot kill". Greatness, and just wetted my appetite for more. But, that was it. That was basically the extent that we got of Venom. I wanted more that he was more powerful that Peter, that he could evade Peter's Spider-Sense. That he could "torture" Peter with the knowledge of his secret and REALLY terrorize his Loved Ones.

Definitely Doc Ock is my favorite of the trilogy.

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Octopus was the only one I liked. The rest were bad or terrible.

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Old 11-12-2010, 02:43 PM   #4
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Definitely Doc Ock. Mostly because of Molina's GREAT performance but also the AMAZING action scenes and his really cool arms.

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Old 11-13-2010, 05:53 AM   #5
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Alfred Molina as Doctor Otto Octavius/Doctor Octopus/Doc Ock.

His performance was the best in the entire trilogy. Plus, he was so badass. Yeah, his arms having A.I in them was a little meh but it didn't bother me that much. And him turning good at the end was actually, dear I say it? It was actually very good and well done.

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Venom has always been my favorite character,but he certainly got screwed over in this trilogy. Doc Ock(Molina)was definetly the most developed and well used villain of the series. What I loved most was how Molina really made Octavious a good guy,a likeable person,even before he truned into a supervillain. Plus,he's the only one who even seemed a credible threat to Spider-man.

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Old 11-14-2010, 12:35 AM   #7
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Ock, hands down.

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Octavius for the win
New Goblin worked really fine for me too, I think his redesign made good sense for him to chase Peter in a narrow alley, it did him more justice than using a comic book style costume or Norman's costume

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Old 11-14-2010, 12:55 AM   #9
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I think his redesign made good sense for him to chase Peter in a narrow alley, it did him more justice than using a comic book style costume or Norman's costume
That was a call that I understood but didn't fully agree with. You're avenging your fagher, using his weapons and powers to do it. Why wouldn't you want the man you believe to be his killer to see the Green Goblin right before he dies?

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my favo! Even though he was sympatethic, unlike in the comics, he was written really good in SM2 and recieved a fantastic performance from Alfred Molina!

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In the minority, but topher was my favorite. Then Molina!

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Old 11-19-2010, 11:27 PM   #12
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New Goblin's costume sucked royally but I loved the hate that spewed from Franco as Harry.

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It's a coin flip between GG and Doc Ock. Doc Ock is visually much cooler, but I find Norman Osborn to be much more interesting than Otto Octavius (in both comicdom and Raimi's movies). Dafoe had a stupid suit...but Dafoe just brought all kinds of awesome. His performance was the personification of Green Goblin circa the Stan Lee/Gerry Conway era (which many forget, preferring the more Machivellian Norman created by Howard Mackie in the '90s).

But Doc Ock was in the better movie....I'll go with Green Goblin, because he gets bonus/brownie points for being the only one to have a major impact on all three films leading to Harry's turn to darkness which was the only really good part about SM3...and it gave the trilogy a through-line and a sense of developing story (beyond Peter's relationship with MJ and feelings about Uncle Ben's death).

So:

1. Green Goblin
2. Doc Ock

3. New Goblin (James Franco really made his portion of SM3 great and saved the ending...with his death, but still)




4. Venom
5. Sandman

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P.S. While Ock had the best fight sequences in the film (the train sequence is still stunning, as is the bank/building sequence. The only one that comes close on such a visceral level is Peter and Harry's first fight in SM3)....GG gave him the most memorably brutal and violent thrashing of the series. They didn't have the budget or technology to do a proper GG/Spidey arial battle in 2002. But, they redeemed that by giving us some classic Goblin action in SM3. But, what they could do in SM1 unlike the other films is make up for the lack of CGI arial ballet with a beatdown that was one blood spray away from an R-rating.

And that makes it up there with the train sequence in its own way, as well.

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I loved them all, but if I had to only choose 1, I'd choose Doc Ock.

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Doc Ock. No freakin' contest.

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Ock had such badass lines! "Find him, or i'll peel the flesh off her bones". Just so awesome!

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Doc Ock, an exellent portrayal by Molina

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If Venom (and by Venom I mean the trilogy of Brock, the Symbiote(and its effect on Peter), and Venom had been developed better, I could of easily seeing myself voting for Venom.

So much potential.. lost. Pity

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Green Goblin / Doc Ock

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Doc Ock was easily best

GG/Norman Osborn comes in at #2. While the costume sucks, Dafoe played it great.

Harry is #2, but very close to GG1 IMO. Harry's arc was great, but slightly tarnished by the lame ass Butler scene. Without that, he might be #2.

Sandman is next for me. The daughter scene at the beginning is great, as is the Birth of the Sandman scene. However, we got too little of him and him killing Ben is lame.

Lastly, Venom. Totally shallow and underdeveloped, just like his comic counterpart! I am not big into Venom, so I rate him low. The changes didn't bug me. We just got little to nothing of him.

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All of them, but like in the comics, Green Goblin is my favorite.

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Dock Ock, and then Green Goblin. The rest were kind of terrible .

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No love for Sandman?

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