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Old 11-14-2010, 12:41 PM   #1
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okay folks.

so instead of doing a total reboot. they want to just RETCON Orgins.

i mean it makes sense. a young emma frost appears in Orgins which would conflict with First Class Emma frost being that she looks older.

and to put it lightly. Orgins was a piece crap of a movie.

So this means that First Class & The Wolverine are the true prequels to the original trilogy?

Is "The Wolverine" the real prequel and kinda like an apology for the Orgins?

am i correct. and the other thing is how will the casual viewer know the difference?

how will this new film say "hey folks orgins didn't really happen" "this is a new begining!"

i mean basically i think they need to reintroduce wolverine to the audience
this way there is no connection to orgins at all. it could be that he is a drifter like he is in x1 & x2 searching and lost possibly some narration by jackman-wolverine.

by the way. what is the TIME FRAME. 1980's, 1990's 1970's?

i mean i'm happy to hear this. because we all KNOW that orgins more than missed the mark. i mean. Orgins is an example of terrible film making. its really an embarassment because the film got lleaked and it sucked too but made money anyways.

but we all have analyzed this film to death here. we know it sucks.

i suspect that this will be like a wolverine version of The Last Samurai just with Wolverine battling Silver Samurai and meeting Yuriko.

and i just actually have a side question. what exactly happened behind the scenes of orgins. maybe the real story will come out someday.

i mean they as filmmakers really messed up.

i hope and pray that we get some real berserker rage and please for the love of god. animate the claws better.

in orgins the claws are the worst looking. i say in the first 3 films they looked good.

who knows maybe if The Wolverine does well and satisfies critics and fans alike they can reintroduce Sabertooth but with his X1 look.

i can't wait to hear the comic-con panel.


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Old 11-14-2010, 01:26 PM   #2
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I don't think with this film they will deny the events of Origins, they just simply won't acknowledge them or any of the characters involved (Victor, Kayla, Stryker etc). Maybe it will simply be Logan mind erased in Canada, in trouble with the authorities a receives a clue that he spent time in Japan earlier in his life. He could of separated with Victor during this time so there'd be no need to mention him. I mean although they were best buddies and liked to hold hands everywhere they went, I imagine they still needed time apart.

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Old 11-14-2010, 01:51 PM   #3
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I'm a bit confused too. I love the title, and I'm not complaining if they want distance from Origins, but is this gonna be considered official canon within any of the X-Men movies?

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Old 11-14-2010, 02:21 PM   #4
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the way I see it... anything from here wouldn't really need to follow continues, there wasn't really much mention of what happen to him after he lost his memory... just that he traveled around.... so, obviously to keep in continues with him have no memory of his past (i.e. anything that happen in origins) there shouldn't be any reference to those events, nor should he run into any of the characters....

from here there is a big blank space in his life that we know nothing about.. just 15 years of traveling around, from place to place, never really knowing who or what he is.......


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Old 11-16-2010, 05:12 PM   #5
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I'm confused also. Could it be that we're to ignore the events of XOW, and they may give us yet another explanation via flashback, as to how he lost him memory? I'm all for this loose re-boot. Make Wolverine more of a bad tempered guy, with a good heart rather than a good guy.....

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I think the X-Films are just going to ignore any direct reference to Wolverine from now on so as to not confuse audiences by outright retconning it but also to not have that film drag down any further films.

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Old 11-16-2010, 08:34 PM   #7
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Well is X-Men First Class a direct prequel to the X films, or is it a reboot of sorts? Because if so, then this second Wolverine movie could be linked to First Class, and NOT the original X films or XOW. The only confusing factor in all this is the fact that Wolverine is being played by Jackman, yet again.....

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Old 11-16-2010, 08:48 PM   #8
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First Class isn't a reboot.

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Old 11-16-2010, 10:09 PM   #9
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Well is X-Men First Class a direct prequel to the X films, or is it a reboot of sorts? Because if so, then this second Wolverine movie could be linked to First Class, and NOT the original X films or XOW. The only confusing factor in all this is the fact that Wolverine is being played by Jackman, yet again.....
If there's one good thing about the X-men films, it's Hugh Jackman. So I doubt they'd get rid of him.

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Old 11-16-2010, 11:13 PM   #10
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I don't understand why the latest news regarding The Wolverine not acknowledging X-Men Origins is that big a deal. By the end of X-Men Origins, Wolverine has no memory, and almost every character he meets in the film is either dead or he doesn't meet again until X-Men, X2, or potentially sometime between The Wolverine and X-Men.

Agent Zero
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Bradley - Dead
Fred Dukes - Dead
Remy Lebeau - MIA
John Wraith - Dead
Kayla Silverfox - Dead
Stryker - MIA until X2
Victor Creed - MIA until X-Men and Wolverine doesn't recognize him
Wade Wilson - Presumed dead. In spin-off, ignoring the events of X-Men Origins: Wolverine

All - Forgotten

What were people expecting? At most, Wolverine would have brief flashbacks, but even those need not be tied down by the events of X-Men Origins.


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Old 11-17-2010, 11:21 AM   #11
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its kinda like highlander film series. where each sequel retconn's the last movie.

i can't wait for the collectors edition dvd 3 pack to come out

it will have orgins, wolverine 2 and first class in a combo pack.

but the audience is supposed to say "well the first movie doesn't count"

all the little kids will be confused.

but i'm happy to see that they will make a film that will make-up for orgins and ignore it.

i'm just concerned that people in general will get confused.

unless they start the film out with some sort of flashback sequence that visually retconn's orgins and says "that movie didn't happen" "we are starting over"

it will create alot of confusion.

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I don't think general audiences would be confused. If this was called Wolverine 2 or whatever and pointed to it as a direct sequel, sure, but since it's not I'm sure it will be fine.

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First Class isn't a reboot.
So, it's going to directly acknowledge all the events of the original X Men movies? gotcha....

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Old 11-17-2010, 06:04 PM   #14
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Well

with First Class the word is Beast is in the film and the word is that he will be BLUE.

so in a way that acknowledges the kelsey grammer version from Last Stand.

i look at it like this.

The Wolverine & First Class needs to be 2 really great films. if The Wolverine can establish that Orgins didn't happen and if First Class can pretty much RE-HASH what we aready know the same way that the star trek reboot does.

i mean they basically said they are re-filming teenage magneto escaping from the concentration camp. and i think if they can somehow show other things like Magneto & Xavier building cerebro.

and just other things that have taken place

who knows. if First Class does well maybe they can reintroduce Stryker. and basically do an re-inactment of jason being brought to the school.
and just other things.

like maybe the x-men and the brotherhood have history battling each other before wolverine showed up in x1.

i would like to hear somebody admit that they messed up with orgins and that the film is really like a bad dream basically.

as for Wolverine. i think they should really try have it so that the film begins with wolverine as an isolated wanderer and he walks alone in the snow and he SOMEHOW ends in Japan not knowing how he got there.

like in x1 then we should see his dog tags but the version that we see in x1. then possibly in the middle of the film or near the end we see him get more clues as to who he was. and i think they should redo his orgins or do a flashback that retconn's orgins.

the whole James Howlett-Sabertooth as my brother should be done away with. and we need to get reintroduced to Sabertooth but the tyler mane version.

on the net they are already saying that Wolverine 2 "the wolverine" will negate the events on Orgins.

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with First Class the word is Beast is in the film and the word is that he will be BLUE.

so in a way that acknowledges the kelsey grammer version from Last Stand.
Beast wasn't blue in X Men 1. He was on the tv screen, in the bar, in Canada, and he still looked human.



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as for Wolverine. i think they should really try have it so that the film begins with wolverine as an isolated wanderer and he walks alone in the snow and he SOMEHOW ends in Japan not knowing how he got there.

like in x1 then we should see his dog tags but the version that we see in x1. then possibly in the middle of the film or near the end we see him get more clues as to who he was. and i think they should redo his orgins or do a flashback that retconn's orgins.

the whole James Howlett-Sabertooth as my brother should be done away with. and we need to get reintroduced to Sabertooth but the tyler mane version.

on the net they are already saying that Wolverine 2 "the wolverine" will negate the events on Orgins.
That would be dynamite. The most spectacular part of Wolverine as a character, is the fact that he's clouded in mystery. With XOW, they stripped that away from the character..and the execution of that stripping was not done well.

I think Origins could have worked out better, if they had included the whole memory implantation aspect of the weapon x program, so we the audience don't know what's real and what's not. If they had done that in XOW, they could have covered up the mistakes of the original movie by claiming the events were partial memory implants, and didn't really happen.....

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So this means that First Class & The Wolverine are the true prequels to the original trilogy?
Yeah, they will forget/ignore the existence of 1st Wolverine film.

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Is "The Wolverine" the real prequel and kinda like an apology for the Origins?
In that case, First Class and The Wolverine will be the official origins of the X-men films,no linked with "X-Men Origins", but they maybe explain that to a confirmation in the next Comic-Cons to come.

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Old 11-22-2010, 11:47 PM   #17
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well according to Darren

the new film will have nothing to do with the x franchise. its a standalone film.

i have a theory that this is a reboot and that its a new universe with Wolverine and classic wolverine enemies.

in this new universe the x men don't exist. there is no cyclops, no jean grey, and no magneto.

kind alike how in the bill bixby version of Hulk. David Banner/Hulk is the center of the universe. there are no other superheroes in the continuity there.

i feel like Darren will try to create a completely different tone visually and it will redefine the world Logan exists in. it will be obvious that this is not a sequel to Orgins but a completely diff. movie all together. nor is it a prequel. this could be the second coming of The Dark Knight. aim for the realism. make wolverine as realistic as possible.

I'm curious to see how will they deal with the whole MUTANT issue. will Logan be a man who happens to have claws in his fists but doesn't know why? is he a mutant? or is he a military experiment gone wrong? a man who got experimented on and has amnesia.

does sabertooth exist in this universe?

i feel like they should aim at doing a new trilogy and this could be the first chapter.

they should redefine the world in which logan exists.

kinda like how in the first Highlander film from 1986, there are only a handful of immortals left.

there should only be a handful of mutants and logan is one of them.

logan, sabertooth and all the other mutants who were apart of the weapon x project should be the.

and the military experiments on them.

So we should get Silver Samurai, Sabertooth, Lady Deathstrike but a more realistic and different version of them.

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Maybe they'll explain that Wolvie did have memory implants, and the last movie was all just a fake memory.

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I hope they disregard everything about Origins.

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Can we use the "R" word?

reboot?

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Agreed. There seems to be quite a few people on this board that describe that movie as "slightly missing the mark" or "almost good". XMO:W was HORRENDOUS! It was a complete and total nonsensical mess.

I'm super curious to see what DA can do with this. If this doesn't work then I just feel that the character is done on the big screen for the near future.

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"Beast wasn't blue in X Men 1. He was on the tv screen, in the bar, in Canada, and he still looked human."

Wasn't that X2? That might not have even been Beast. It could have been someone he hired to pretend to be him in public.

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It's seems like they're going the Mission: Impossible route. The only continuity is the main actor. Otherwise they're all very different films.

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I think Fox is throwing continuity out the window since the last 2 X-Men movies sucked so much.

I think Jackman is only Wolverine still, since he's recognizable in the role.

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If this a reboot, they will remade the of X-Men Cinematography Origins, because X-Men,X2 and Last Stand still in movies continuity.Only the origin of X-Movie universe will be change, forgetthe existence of the last Wolverine.Dedapool and First Class dont be linked with Origins:Wolverine

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