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Here is a question I have to ask then... Is the tone of the Marvel films from IM, through THOR, AVENGERS and IM3 actually all that "goofy" even if in comparison to Nolan's Bat films they may come across as more "lighthearted"? Is any film that would deviate from the supposed "seriousness" inherent in that approach to CBM adaptations now automatically akin to Schumacher's camp fever dreams put on screen?
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Yes, the Marvel Studios films are far lighter than what DC/WB has been doing lately (save the awful Green Lantern). It works for those characters, but not Batman. Batman needs to be dark and gritty.
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A water vaporize machine which doesn't not vaporize water was an insult to my intelligence. |
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Even that is debatable. Batman only got dark around the 80's.
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And it was a character defining change. There is no large audience clamoring for 50s/60s-style Batman.
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Did you miss the lines where it's explained that it uses focused microwaves to vaporize water supplies.
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That applies to everyone. The 70's and 80's were the decades when comic books became more adult. The main reason everything was so lighthearted and campy before that was due to the censorship that was enforced on comics.
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And it's the "enemy's water supply," so this machine somehow can distinguish what water is in a body and what water is used for supply. And then the machine can decide if the water supply is from his team or the enemy. I agree with the guy whose intelligence was insulted by this. For all the explanation that was thrown to justify every single bat-gadget they could have used some for this device.
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The Death Of Gwen Stacy ended the silver age of comics and after that I think comics got a bit more dark but it was batman that underwent the most change.
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Also, Morbius appeared in the early 70's. |
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Realism is overrated. It's taking the film seriously. Nolan and company treated TDK trilogy just like they would treat an independent art film. They took it seriously and respected that these comic book characters could deal with real themes and issues and not be subjected to simply being a live action cartoon. Whedon agrees that A2 needs to be taken more seriously. He 's said he wants to make it more personnel. He's said he doesn't believe The Avengers is a great film, it's a great experience. He's right. There is nothing artistically appealing The Avengers, but it's greatly entertaining. A2 and the MCU can reach greater levels if they take themselves more seriously.
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Heck, you can probably extend this to any film that has any sort of action whatsoever. Practically every film that has ever had a gun in it gets them wrong. Certain things just have to be accepted in the world of film in order for them to be entertaining. Even the best films ever made, like Casablanca or The Godfather, aren't comparable to real life. |
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The point is it is used it to target specific water supplies. Hence why people were not being evaporated. It's microwaves were being focused on the Gotham water system.
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If Batman Begins was truly realistic, it would have been over in five minutes as Bruce Wayne dies in a Chinese prison. |
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Yes Batman is unrealistic but that movie gave us a somewhat-realistic look at Batman and his world.
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And advanced technology that doesn't exist is a part of that world. TDK & TDKR do the same thing. The films are consistent.
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The armor Batman wore was just retarded though. In today's age, we have tons of fabric suits that offer the same level of protection the bulky armor offers. The only difference? It doesn't weigh you down and even helps you blend in the shadows better. Also creates more of a vibe that Batman is a force of nature.
So why does the "realistic" Batman still wear heavy bulky armor in the Nolan films? Especially since the Science Division is "apparently" 10 years ahead of the whole world. That always drove me nuts about the batsuit in the Nolan films. |
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Because it looks cooler. That's seriously the reason.
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No it doesn't. The black bulky armor looks really ugly IMO.
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We'll have to agree to disagree on that point.
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But this is not the usual superhero movie. Nolan made a big effort to achieve a realistic tone (which is not th same as being realistic). Once again, for all the unnecessary explanations he had there, he could have explained the microwave emitter better. Or well, a little. If a device such as the microwave emitter, or some of the sorts had been in Godfather, it would have ruined it btw. ****************************** Quote:
I get if it were directed at Wayne Tower only, but the idea was to evaporate all the water in Gotham City. ******************************** Bruce Wayne would have been killed, sure, but then again, Nolan used half of the movie just to make believable why he wasn't. |
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You don't know where the microwave beam was focused on. Apparently, it was focused downwards along the water line, which would make the pipes blow.
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Yes, somehow we couldn't have Batman wear his bat-gloves without knowing where they came from and why. But this emitter gets the free pass in the assumption department.
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