The Way I see this differentiating from SM1 even with the origin story

[sweetre15]

The only thing that the first Spider-Man was about besides the Parker getting his powers was getting the girl and trying to buy a car. They can easily change critical points in the origin story to make it different and more personal. The origin does NOT have to happen the exact same way.


Here's a list of things they can do to tweak the origin story so the movie wouldn't "rehash" the first film. This is also speculation based on some of the info we've been given so far about this film

1. Prior to the Spider-Bite and for a little while after, show more of Peter Parker getting himself into trouble while Uncle Ben is trying to set him on the right path and don't just limit it to one conversation in the car but more along the lines of Vol.1 in Ultimate Spider-Man.

Show him getting into trouble by going to a party at night without May and Ben's permission, have him trying to pay the bill for Flash's broken hand by Wrestling for money behind his Aunt May and Uncle Ben's back etc. Not to mention having him being lectured or scolded to some extent by both May and Ben for the various reasons above.

2. Have flash backs of his parents interlaced through the story with a mention from Uncle Ben and Aunt May and have him wonder what his parents were like at times but don't make him brood over it per se.

3. Have him NOT let Uncle Ben's killer die and him catch him as a reflection of Uncle Ben's teachings with something along the lines of this scene: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ahfH9...eature=related

Skip at 1:20 and watch until 1:52 for what I'm talking about

4. Have him Not graduate until the very end of the movie or Have him in his junior year and show him graduate at the beginning of the sequel and have him start his freshman year in college.

5. Potentially tie in Parker wanting to save Connors from the Lizard mutation to avoid Billy having to deal with losing his father with the fact that Parker's parents are dead and he never got a chance to know them.

6. Set up Green Goblin with the Proto-Goblin experiment on Van Adder and have Osborne cover the whole thing up after it fails so it wouldn't get traced back to him.

7. Prior to him falling in love and dating Gwen Stacy show Parker go on a couple dates with Betty Brant after getting the job at the Daily Bugle especially since Webb is said to have big plans for Brant.

So there you go those points I mentioned turns it into an entirely different film from SM1 and I wouldn't be surprised if this was along the lines of what they're actually doing.

What do you guys think?

[Wesley Dodds]

Good ideas. B

I'm sue there;s a thread that this'd fit inta, though...

[Mace Bloodstone]

1. Peter should push Ben down a flight of stairs

2. Make his parents hippies

3. Do the same to Aunt May

4. 2 words, Home School

5. Tough love, let nature take its course

6. or just have the experiment work for a future spin-off

7. Prior hookers would be better

[sweetre15]

Originally Posted by Mace Bloodstone

1. Peter should push Ben down a flight of stairs

2. Make his parents hippies

3. Do the same to Aunt May

4. 2 words, Home School

5. Tough love, let nature take its course

6. or just have the experiment work for a future spin-off

7. Prior hookers would be better

[DACrowe]

Originally Posted by Mace Bloodstone

1. Peter should push Ben down a flight of stairs

2. Make his parents hippies

3. Do the same to Aunt May

4. 2 words, Home School

5. Tough love, let nature take its course

6. or just have the experiment work for a future spin-off

7. Prior hookers would be better

Now that is a reboot I can finally get behind. That's how you make the movie fresh.

[Dragon]

Originally Posted by sweetre15

The only thing that the first Spider-Man was about besides the Parker getting his powers was getting the girl and trying to buy a car. They can easily change critical points in the origin story to make it different and more personal. The origin does NOT have to happen the exact same way.


Here's a list of things they can do to tweak the origin story so the movie wouldn't "rehash" the first film. This is also speculation based on some of the info we've been given so far about this film

1. Prior to the Spider-Bite and for a little while after, show more of Peter Parker getting himself into trouble while Uncle Ben is trying to set him on the right path and don't just limit it to one conversation in the car but more along the lines of Vol.1 in Ultimate Spider-Man.

Show him getting into trouble by going to a party at night without May and Ben's permission, have him trying to pay the bill for Flash's broken hand by Wrestling for money behind his Aunt May and Uncle Ben's back etc. Not to mention having him being lectured or scolded to some extent by both May and Ben for the various reasons above.

2. Have flash backs of his parents interlaced through the story with a mention from Uncle Ben and Aunt May and have him wonder what his parents were like at times but don't make him brood over it per se.

3. Have him NOT let Uncle Ben's killer die and him catch him as a reflection of Uncle Ben's teachings with something along the lines of this scene: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ahfH9...eature=related

Skip at 1:20 and watch until 1:52 for what I'm talking about

4. Have him Not graduate until the very end of the movie or Have him in his junior year and show him graduate at the beginning of the sequel and have him start his freshman year in college.

5. Potentially tie in Parker wanting to save Connors from the Lizard mutation to avoid Billy having to deal with losing his father with the fact that Parker's parents are dead and he never got a chance to know them.

6. Set up Green Goblin with the Proto-Goblin experiment on Van Adder and have Osborne cover the whole thing up after it fails so it wouldn't get traced back to him.

7. Prior to him falling in love and dating Gwen Stacy show Parker go on a couple dates with Betty Brant after getting the job at the Daily Bugle especially since Webb is said to have big plans for Brant.

So there you go those points I mentioned turns it into an entirely different film from SM1 and I wouldn't be surprised if this was along the lines of what they're actually doing.

What do you guys think?

1. Not necessary. Peter isn't a troubled kid. If he were, then he'd have gone the wrong way once he received the powers. Uncle Ben's teachings are to guide Peter on the higher mission of using his powers for the common good, not just avoiding mis-using them. Let's remember that Peter is just a teenager when he's given these great powers. Most adults would struggle with doing the right thing with them. A teenager, who'd been bullied and lacked self-esteem might go completely insane. But not only does Peter not do the wrong thing but he embarks on a self-sacrifical path of trying to save the world. He'd have to be pretty damned good from the start to handle that.

2. Too much for one movie. This can be addressed in the comics because they come out once a month. But a movie that takes a good three years to make simply can't cover all of that.

3. The Burglar created his own fate. Peter can't save those who don't want to be saved. The lesson of Great Power and Responsibility isn't just for Peter. It's for everyone. Peter shouldn't murder the Burglar, but he shouldn't save him either.

4. No disagreement there.

5. It's over-thinking the story. Again, Peter wants to help everyone he can. He knows that Connors isn't an evil man, but merely the victim of his own good intentions. And he'd fight just as hard to help Connors even if he had no family.

6.As others have said, the Lizard and Proto-Goblin are too much of the same thing especially for one film. And as it stands, Osborn didn't know what the Goblin formula was cpable of when he experimented with it. To have him testing it on others takes it too far.

7. For all the other things the film has to cover, having this shy kid pursuing multiple relationships is too much to believe. Again, this can work over 3 years worth of comic books, but a film needs to be more focused.

[El Payaso]

Originally Posted by Dragon

1. Not necessary. Peter isn't a troubled kid. If he were, then he'd have gone the wrong way once he received the powers. Uncle Ben's teachings are to guide Peter on the higher mission of using his powers for the common good, not just avoiding mis-using them. Let's remember that Peter is just a teenager when he's given these great powers. Most adults would struggle with doing the right thing with them. A teenager, who'd been bullied and lacked self-esteem might go completely insane. But not only does Peter not do the wrong thing but he embarks on a self-sacrifical path of trying to save the world. He'd have to be pretty damned good from the start to handle that.

I think the story goes like this: Peter does exactly the wrong thing (uses his powers to look for fame and fortune and disregard other people) and it's not untill Uncle Ben is killed and he finds out that the killer is the man he let go that he feels like self-sacrifying.

Uncle Ben's guidance made complete sense to him ONLY after he realizes what he's done. Let's not forget that Peter didn't have any special 'power' when uncle Ben told him the famous sentence.

Originally Posted by Dragon

2. Too much for one movie. This can be addressed in the comics because they come out once a month. But a movie that takes a good three years to make simply can't cover all of that.

You don't need even 5 minutes to do that properly. And gioven the fact that Peter's parents are being cast I'd say they'll be in the movie, and if the writer is half good they will be there for a reason, not just because.

Originally Posted by Dragon

3. The Burglar created his own fate. Peter can't save those who don't want to be saved. The lesson of Great Power and Responsibility isn't just for Peter. It's for everyone. Peter shouldn't murder the Burglar, but he shouldn't save him either.

So if anyone wants to commit suicide, Peter should go 'meh, it's his call.' Even in Raimi's movie Peter could have used his spider-web - he knew how to use it perfectly at that point -. to save the burglar. I ignore why should he disregard that human life when he understands now how important it is to preserve it.

Originally Posted by Dragon

5. It's over-thinking the story. Again, Peter wants to help everyone he can. He knows that Connors isn't an evil man, but merely the victim of his own good intentions. And he'd fight just as hard to help Connors even if he had no family.

Far from over-thinking it, it makes perfect sense. I'd hate to have that verbally over-explained but it's only natural that Peter should relate himself to other people in trouble.

Originally Posted by Dragon

7. For all the other things the film has to cover, having this shy kid pursuing multiple relationships is too much to believe. Again, this can work over 3 years worth of comic books, but a film needs to be more focused.

Dating girls is hard to believe? But I agree that it could be too much for one film.

I just don't want to have Peter again in love like an idiot with just one girl since he's 6.

[Dragon]

Originally Posted by El Payaso

I think the story goes like this: Peter does exactly the wrong thing (uses his powers to look for fame and fortune and disregard other people) and it's not untill Uncle Ben is killed and he finds out that the killer is the man he let go that he feels like self-sacrifying.

Uncle Ben's guidance made complete sense to him ONLY after he realizes what he's done. Let's not forget that Peter didn't have any special 'power' when uncle Ben told him the famous sentence.

That's pretty much what I meant. Most people given Peter's ability would go nuts. They wouldn't just ignore their responsibility to their fellow man as Peter did. They''d go on a rampage. They'd beat the likes of Flash to a pulp. They'd use their powers to get rich quick, even criminally. They'd be scoring with chicks simply by virtue of showing off their power.

Peter doesn't venture into that kind of territory because he already has a strong foundation. What Peter does do is wrong in the universal sense and Uncle Ben's death results in him correcting this.

You don't need even 5 minutes to do that properly. And gioven the fact that Peter's parents are being cast I'd say they'll be in the movie, and if the writer is half good they will be there for a reason, not just because.

It doesn't matter how many minutes it would be if those minutes take the story off course. If they go the route of another origin they need to cover some things not presented in the other films, and yet not bog the story down. In Spidey 1 they cast a well-known actor as Uncle Ben, but I'd be surprised if he even got 5 minutes of screen time.

Focus on the parents needs to be purely from Peter's perspective. How their loss effected him. How May and Ben tried to make up for it.

So if anyone wants to commit suicide, Peter should go 'meh, it's his call.' Even in Raimi's movie Peter could have used his spider-web - he knew how to use it perfectly at that point -. to save the burglar. I ignore why should he disregard that human life when he understands now how important it is to preserve it.

You're damn right Perter should say "meh" if some idiot makes the choice to destroy himself. Like Brock in Spidey 3. F*** him. There are people in this world that via their choices de-value their lives. And those same people will never appreeciate a gesture of kindness, but only take it as weakness. The world will not be a better place because Uncle Ben's killer remains in it. And the "justice" system can't be relied on (He got out of jail after a very short time in the comics, on;y to go back to crime) Again, Peter shouldn't murder such a person (Although killing him in defense of himself or others is fine by me). But letting him die because of his own selfish, evil actions is karmic balance to the universe.

Far from over-thinking it, it makes perfect sense. I'd hate to have that verbally over-explained but it's only natural that Peter should relate himself to other people in trouble.

I didn't say he wouldn't. But he wouldn't make any extra effort to save Connors because of Billy. It's not needed in terms of exposition.

Dating girls is hard to believe? But I agree that it could be too much for one film.

It's hard to believe FOR PETER. Sure there are some guys who will date 10 girls at once. But not Peter.

I just don't want to have Peter again in love like an idiot with just one girl since he's 6.

I agree with this. And based on what a ***** MJ turned out to be in the ilms I didn't understand what he loved about her in the first place.

Hopefully they'll actually have Peter and Gwen develop a real relationship rather than a goofy crush fantasy fulfilled.

[sweetre15]

That's pretty much what I meant. Most people given Peter's ability would go nuts. They wouldn't just ignore their responsibility to their fellow man as Peter did. They''d go on a rampage. They'd beat the likes of Flash to a pulp. They'd use their powers to get rich quick, even criminally. They'd be scoring with chicks simply by virtue of showing off their power.

Peter doesn't venture into that kind of territory because he already has a strong foundation.

It seemed that James Cameron disagreed with that statement based on his horrible treatment lol.

[Dragon]

Agreed there, my friend. Cameron really didn't get what Spidey is about.

Fate and destiny has always been a big player in Spidey's life. So I suppose the very reason he was fated to become Spider-Man was because he'd use the powers the right way. But he still had to learn the lesson of why he had to use them responsibly.

[ModestMr.Green]

I'm less concerned with Peter's sense of justice in the Cameron treatment than I am with his spider mating dance.

[Spidey_62]

Originally Posted by ModestMr.Green

I'm less concerned with Peter's sense of justice in the Cameron treatment than I am with his spider mating dance.

That scene was disturbing.

[Dragon]

That, wall-crawling to peep on MJ and waking up in a bed full of Spider-goo. Cameron's Spidey was just creepy.

[webhead9707]

Originally Posted by Dragon

1. Not necessary. Peter isn't a troubled kid. If he were, then he'd have gone the wrong way once he received the powers. Uncle Ben's teachings are to guide Peter on the higher mission of using his powers for the common good, not just avoiding mis-using them. Let's remember that Peter is just a teenager when he's given these great powers. Most adults would struggle with doing the right thing with them. A teenager, who'd been bullied and lacked self-esteem might go completely insane. But not only does Peter not do the wrong thing but he embarks on a self-sacrifical path of trying to save the world. He'd have to be pretty damned good from the start to handle that.

I don't know if anyone remembers it, or if any of the people on the spiderman forum even watch it, but that really reminds me of the "Leech" episode from season 1 of Smallville.

[stillanerd]

Well, based upon some of the casting choices, here's how think the film could differ from Sam Raimi's first Spider-Man film.

1. The film opens up with an extended pre-origin flashback introducing us to a young Peter Parker, his parents, and his Uncle Ben and Aunt May. Peter's parents are dropping him off at Uncle Ben and Aunt May's house because they both to attend a science conference where they're going to talk about breakthroughs in genetic research and tissue regeneration, etc. When then see the parents on the plane, along with a younger Dr. Connors who is the Parker's research assistant, when the plane crashes. Only Dr. Connors survives, but his arm has to be amputated. Cue a scene in which Peter, with his Uncle Ben and Aunt May attends his parents funeral, followed by Uncle Ben consoling Peter a la the scene in Batman Begins where Alfred consoles young Bruce Wayne.

2. After getting an opening credit sequence which shows Spider-Man origin, similar to the opening credit sequence in the Incredible Hulk movie, we then get a series of scenes showing Peter Parker's current life: him stopping crooks as Spider-Man, him taking his Spider-Man pictures over to the Daily Bugle and having to put up with J. Jonah Jameson, him at his high school where he has to deal with the taunts of Flash Thompson even though he really wants to kick his ass, and a scene with Aunt May, the two of them talking about how much they miss Uncle Ben. Perhaps there could also be flashbacks throughout the film showing Peter and Uncle Ben's surrogate father/son relationship, establishing that ever since Peter's parents died, he's been looking for a father figure.

3. Then Peter gets told by his teacher that there's an unpaid internship open at Empire State University working with Dr. Curt Connors and that the teacher suggested Peter because he's a top science student. Peter goes to the lab and meets Dr. Connors, his wife Martha, their son Billy, and another intern from a different high school, Gwen Stacy. Dr. Connors, of course, realizes that Peter is the son of Richard and Mary Parker and so he really takes Peter under his wing. Gwen is Peter's intellectual match in terms of science, but she's also sassy and has a real chip on her shoulder, not used to being challenged by the likes of Peter. Thus, this creates a rivalry between Peter and Gwen wrought with ever increasing romantic tension.

4. We also get introduced to Van Atter, who is Dr. Connor's supervisor, and Connors is really feeling the pressure to perfect the tissue regeneration formula, a difficult task since the original notes developed by Richard and Mary Parker were destroyed in the plane crash. Desperate, Dr. Connors decides to combine the formula with reptilian DNA and injects the formula himself. Naturally, the results appear to be a great success, until Dr. Connors begins undergoing physical changes into the Lizard.

5. Thus we have a kind of Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde angle with the Lizard in that he prowls the city and sewers at night, perhaps even feasting on various crooks and homeless people, which of course gets the attention of Captain George Stacy, Gwen's father, and Spider-Man--especially since J. Jonah Jameson is blaming Spider-Man for the grisly murders. Also, over the course of the film, Captain Stacy begins to get suspicious of Peter, suggesting that he suspects Peter is Spider-Man and wondering if he can really trust him, especially as far as his daughter is concerned--especially since Peter and Gwen are becoming closer romantically.

6. Eventually, there comes a moment in which Spidey fights the Lizard mistakingly thinking he was about to harm Martha, Billy, and Gwen. However, this is when he learns that Dr. Connors is the Lizard. Thus is faced with a moral dilemma--how can he stop a man who he has looked up to, especially someone who is his last real link to his parents? Not to mention that Connors is a good man and with a wife and son. However, Peter remembers the lesson of Uncle Ben about "With great power comes great responsibility" and how, when he didn't follow that creed, it got his Uncle killed. So he realizes that, even though Dr. Connors is a friend, he still has to stop him.

8. Peter manages to come up with a antidote to cure Dr. Connors of being the Lizard and, managing to inject it, the serum apparently works. Dr. Connors decides to destroy his research.

7. However, Van Atter also figures out that Dr. Connors is the Lizard as well, but knowing Dr. Connors has unlocked the secret to spontaneous regeneration, kidnaps Martha and Billy in the hopes that Connors will be forced to give over the secret of the formula. Dr. Connors takes the bait along with Spider-Man and they are both captured. Spidey is unmasked in front of the Connors family and Van Atter. Van Atter then combines the blood sample from Spider-Man and the regeneration formula into his own formula to create a "super soldier" serum that he can sell for billions. However, Spidey manages to escape to try and stop Van Atter and his hired goons. However, Van Atter, in a last ditch effort, injects the "super soldier" serum into himself, becoming the "Proto-Goblin." The Proto-Goblin then attacks Spidey.

8. Dr. Connors, realizing Peter needs his help, makes the ultimate sacrifice--he takes the remaining sample of the regeneration formula and injects it, becoming the Lizard once again, with Dr. Connors retaining some control. Spider-Man and the Lizard team-up to stop the Proto-Goblin, resulting in a big battle with Captain Stacy and cops at the scene. The Lizard, realizing he can never be with his wife and son again, appears to sacrifice himself in order to kill the Proto-Goblin. However, in the aftermath, the Lizard's body isn't found, implying he survived and went into hiding underground.

9. After Dr. Connor's funeral, Martha and Billy, decide to move to Florida, and keep Peter's secret. Captain Stacy also thanks Peter, suggesting, but not outright saying, that he too knows Peter is Spider-Man. Peter and Gwen officially become a couple. Spidey is cleared of the Lizard attacks, much to Jonah's frustration. However, we see that Van Atter's body has been taken from the morgue and hauled away--by OsCorp.

I'm sure it's not going to go down exactly like that, but we'll certainly see.

[Vid Electricz]

Originally Posted by sweetre15

The only thing that the first Spider-Man was about besides the Parker getting his powers was getting the girl and trying to buy a car. They can easily change critical points in the origin story to make it different and more personal. The origin does NOT have to happen the exact same way.


Here's a list of things they can do to tweak the origin story so the movie wouldn't "rehash" the first film. This is also speculation based on some of the info we've been given so far about this film

1. Prior to the Spider-Bite and for a little while after, show more of Peter Parker getting himself into trouble while Uncle Ben is trying to set him on the right path and don't just limit it to one conversation in the car but more along the lines of Vol.1 in Ultimate Spider-Man.

Show him getting into trouble by going to a party at night without May and Ben's permission, have him trying to pay the bill for Flash's broken hand by Wrestling for money behind his Aunt May and Uncle Ben's back etc. Not to mention having him being lectured or scolded to some extent by both May and Ben for the various reasons above.

2. Have flash backs of his parents interlaced through the story with a mention from Uncle Ben and Aunt May and have him wonder what his parents were like at times but don't make him brood over it per se.

3. Have him NOT let Uncle Ben's killer die and him catch him as a reflection of Uncle Ben's teachings with something along the lines of this scene: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ahfH9...eature=related

Skip at 1:20 and watch until 1:52 for what I'm talking about

4. Have him Not graduate until the very end of the movie or Have him in his junior year and show him graduate at the beginning of the sequel and have him start his freshman year in college.

5. Potentially tie in Parker wanting to save Connors from the Lizard mutation to avoid Billy having to deal with losing his father with the fact that Parker's parents are dead and he never got a chance to know them.

6. Set up Green Goblin with the Proto-Goblin experiment on Van Adder and have Osborne cover the whole thing up after it fails so it wouldn't get traced back to him.

7. Prior to him falling in love and dating Gwen Stacy show Parker go on a couple dates with Betty Brant after getting the job at the Daily Bugle especially since Webb is said to have big plans for Brant.

So there you go those points I mentioned turns it into an entirely different film from SM1 and I wouldn't be surprised if this was along the lines of what they're actually doing.

What do you guys think?

I actually agree with all of your points!

I like the idea of Peter not being on the right path from the start. He doesn't have to have behavioral problems or going wild or anything, but it'd be a nice change of pace to show him butting heads with his aunt and uncle, screwing up a bit and trying to figure out his place in the world. It will make it all the more emotionally satisfying when he realizes the error of his way (though hopefully not too heavy handed). The idea of him seeing Betty first is strong as well. Not only is it keeping with continuity, but it's more representational of relationships in real life (Most people generally date around a bit before settling down, so to speak). Knowing the director at helm, this story will almost certainly put the relationships between characters at the forefront (which I love, because that's what made spidey different in the first place). I hope this story treats Peter as a real person with complex emotions...not the modern fairy tale we got with the previous films (I absolutely loved the first 2, btw and wouldn't change a thing...I just want a change of pace) where Peter pines over MJ constantly. I think that all of this would definitely serve to make the origin we already know, fresh and exciting. Although it's secondary to fanboys and most people don't even care to think about it...a strong, recurring theme interwoven into the film (as you mentioned with his parents and doc connors) will set it apart from the previous films and it will ultimately (no pun) resonate more.

There's a quote from comic artist Charles Burns that I think is applicable to this topic, where he says (I'm paraphrasing): "I think I was in high school when I realized that I was more interested in Peter Parkers love life than his adventures as Spider-Man."