Disney Movie Appreciation Thread

[childeroland]

Just out of curiosity, does anyone think there might be something to this? I always thought the Disney princesses--particularly in the Renaissance era--sent pretty strong messages.

[Spidey-Bat]

Jasmine's is correct because it's historical. But who does she end up marrying at the end? A beggar. As for Belle, she was considered pretty but also an outcast just because she liked to read. It seemed implied that the other men avoided her for that, Gaston only pursued her because he thought she was as beautiful as him.

The others, yeah, they're pretty accurate from what I recall.. The older Disney films had the fairy tale stereotypes of women. Little Mermaid may be an exception since I haven't seen it for awhile.

Originally Posted by ComicChick

i don't really think of her as skanky, just as a gypsy putting on a show haha. the pole dancing i'm surprised got kept in there though lol.

Originally Posted by jmc

Esmeralda was hardly a 'skank', but she was far more adult compared to other female characters. In fact Hunchback is probably the most adult orientated Disney film there is. That's the reason she's not part of the princess merchandise.

There are other reasons. She wasn't royalty, she didn't marry into royalty, and she didn't end up with the male protagonist. I don't know if Mulan is considered one but she at least falls into the last category.

Esmeralda is at the very least a tease.

[Scourge2099]

Good old family sexism.

[TheWiseGuy487]

Originally Posted by childeroland

This is why Mulan is my favorite Disney "Princess".

[Scourge2099]

Jasmine is my favorite Disney Princess. I remember on the show , she fought sometimes. Sista don't need her man to fight for her.

[terry78]

Originally Posted by Scourge2099

Jasmine is my favorite Disney Princess. I remember on the show , she fought sometimes. Sista don't need her man to fight for her.

Except for that episode where she got turned into a ****ing snake woman.

[Scourge2099]

Originally Posted by terry78

Except for that episode where she got turned into a ****ing snake woman.

That episode doesn't exist I tell you !!!

[Spidey-Bat]

Originally Posted by ComicChick

I don't know why I always enjoyed this movie, but I still do. I don't consider Meg a Disney Princess or anything but she's always been one of my favorites. She's just so sassy and cynical and stuff she says sounds like stuff I would say.

Love the muses, and that's the Gospel truth.

James Woods is great as Hades. As is Danny Devito as Phil. Didn't really realize that Hercules was voice by Tate Donovan until now. I only know of him from his time on Friends. Rip Torn as Zeus is great too. I never realized Charlton Heston was the narrator either. but then again i was barely 12, if that, when it first came out.

The songs are decent. My favorite is probably I Won't Say I'm In Love.

I rewatched it last week and it wasn't as bad as I remembered. I thought it was going to be mediocre and the worst of this era, but it wasn't.

I really liked Hercules (the character that is). He's naive, innocent, and struggles to fit in because of his strength (even after he's trained). Hades is a really good villain but he's a bit too goofy at times which takes away from how intimidating he is. Meg is a bit annoying at first, but she grows on you and the fact that she's a complete 180 from all the other female protagonists is entertaining.

What I didn't like was the pop culture references. The Air Hercs, Herculade, a constellation of Marilyn Monroe, Pegasus acting like a helicopter. That kind of thing sticks out when you watch it now. I know Aladdin had a lot of that with Genie, but it's kind of easier to let that go because you know it's Robin Williams voicing him.

One thing it was missing was a villain song. I would have liked to see Hades sing a song where you get to see more of the Underworld (though they probably would have just referenced the band Styx).

I'd agree on the other songs. They're good, but not like the rest. I Won't Say I'm In Love is probably the best, I especially liked the scene shortly after where Hades realizes what Hercules' weakness is (ie Meg).

When I was looking on YouTube, I saw that I Won't Say I'm In Love replaced this song, I Can't Believe My Heart as the one Meg was going to sing. Both are good but the former fits her better.

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[Spidey-Bat]

Just a heads up, Beauty and the Beast will be on ABC Family tonight at 8 and Aladdin tomorrow night at 7:30.

[flickchick85]

Originally Posted by Spidey-Bat

Anastasia has even more historical inaccuracies (which are even more obvious to me since Russian history is one of my favorite subjects to read about), but it's a much better film.

Ah, Anastasia. I thought that was a Disney movie for the longest time, and I agree, it's much better. Always had a soft spot for that one.

You guys have now moved Hunchback of Notre Dame to the top of my Netflix queue.

[ComicChick]

is hunchback on netflix? the only disney movies i've seen on there is Tangled and Princess and the Frog

[flickchick85]

It's on there, just not on Instant.

[ComicChick]

bummer, i only have streaming

watching Beauty & the Beast now

[Spidey-Bat]

Not a Disney Renaissance film but I just remembered its trailers that used them. I find them a lot funnier now than the first time I saw them.

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[ComicChick]

i read somewhere today that Beauty & the Beast will be in theatres Jan 13 2012

in 3D

[Spidey-Bat]

I recall that being posted a few pages back. I'd like to go. I remember seeing every Disney Renaissance movie in theaters except that. I'm told I did see it in theaters but Aladdin was the earliest I remember and I saw Little Mermaid when it was re-released. Might as well see them all in theaters.

[jmc]

Originally Posted by ComicChick

i read somewhere today that Beauty & the Beast will be in theatres Jan 13 2012

in 3D

That and Mermaid are getting re-releases. It'll be great that a new generation of kids (and those in their teens and even 20's) will be able to experience these classics. I wish they'd bring back Aladdin, that's the only one I really wish I had seen in theatres.

[ComicChick]

Originally Posted by jmc

That and Mermaid are getting re-releases. It'll be great that a new generation of kids (and those in their teens and even 20's) will be able to experience these classics. I wish they'd bring back Aladdin, that's the only one I really wish I had seen in theatres.

yes! i'd go see Aladdin too. maybe in 2013

lady and the tramp is coming to blu ray next year too

i don't know if i ever saw any of these in theatres before but i do know i saw the Lion King in theatres

[Spidey-Bat]

I remember Aladdin because my dad's company had a special screening for it for all the employees and their families. I think they had one for Lion King, too.

[jmc]

I remember seeing Fox and the Hound and Pinocchio at theatres, I think Bambi as well but not too sure.

[Parker Wayne]

Aladdin needs a 3D release. That cave escape sequence screams 3D conversion.

[mclay18]

Originally Posted by ComicChick

yes! i'd go see Aladdin too. maybe in 2013

Aladdin won't be part of the 2013 re-releases, unless Disney adds it to say, December or something.

Monsters Inc. is being re-released in 3D on January 18, 2013 to bring attention to its prequel coming out in the summer. The Little Mermaid will get that pivotal September 2013 spot, and Finding Nemo a year before.

[Cuyan]

Originally Posted by Parker Wayne

Aladdin needs a 3D release. That cave escape sequence screams 3D conversion.

It could use a bit of an update before converting it to 3D. The limitations of the technology at the time are pretty apparent today.

[Spidey-Bat]

This thread got quiet, time to change that.

I watched Aladdin tonight. As a guy, it's easy to really like this since the main character is just a normal guy, not super strong or an Adonis. The one thing I don't really like is that there are quite a lot of pop culture references, just makes a movie seem a lot more dated and instead going for easy laughs. Most of this is Genie's impression (Arnold Schwarzenegger, Jack Nicholson, Arsenio Hall to name a few), hard to really hate it since Robin Williams is great.

I also have to say, Jafar was a great villain. Slimy, menacing, manipulating, never went over-the-top or goofy at times like Hades. He has two really great moments. First, he takes probably the most direct approach of any Disney villain in dealing with the hero. Has him tied up, ball & chain on his ankle, and tossed into the sea (only fails because of Genie). His second is when he has the Sultan tell Jasmine she's to marry him. "I see you're speechless, a fine quality in a wife." Also, I think he's the only villain who kisses the Disney princess (Jasmine's not a bad one to do it with either). His villain song is a parody of the hero's song which I really like as well.

Hope this comes out on Blu-Ray this year since I somehow lost the DVD with the movie (still have the special feature disc at least).

[mclay18]

Beauty and the Beast looks pretty good in 3D, especially the last 15 minutes. I forgot how moving it was, and the animation is still impressive after 21 years.

God, the movie's two decades old already? I'm getting old.