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Nothing, it should lead into X1 2 2.25%
Continue with McAvoy finding Jean, Scott etc 52 58.43%
Continue but with the cast of characters they have now 30 33.71%
It shouldn't continue at all, I won't like it > 5 5.62%
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Old 01-20-2012, 03:17 PM   #76
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I think the sequel that should 'connect' the two trilogies is the third one from this new cast, including Scott, Jean and Storm.

The next sequel should develop the characters to date, they NEED development, and the creative team CAN do it.

after that, they can add Scott and the others and give them a great plot and scenes.

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I'd been thinking of this, but I'm thinking that because of the age gap they might make Alex Summers/Havok the father of Scott Summers/Cyclops because they might not want to get into the Sci Fi aspect of the Summers characters.

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Vaughn had until March to decide whether he wanted to do another one or not. According to "TOLDJA," they just closed the deal.

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I personally would love to see them adapt the Days of Future Past as a trilogy with the rise of the Sentinels being the back drop of the first movie. However, filmmakers need to ramp up the Mutie hate to make that type of story work. To this point the racism and human on mutie violence has been pretty tame in all the films. Heck they haven't even used the word mutie to this point, I don't think. Maybe a protest sign. They need to raise the stakes to give Magneto and the Xmen real purpose.

They should show mutant lynchings and humans (not the military)committing hate crimes against them. It is kind of a driving force behind the Xmen that isn't really given it's proper due in film.

It would be a great vehicle to play Charles and Erik against each other and still be able to relate to both.

I think rebooting X4 in this manner not only would be epic but it would allow the films to be tied to FC because part of the story takes place in the past. Kitty's future conciousness is sent back in time to change a key historical event and prevent a future where mutants are oppressed.

FC just needs to focus future films on recruiting Cyke, Jean & others.
I like this. That's what I would like to see for a sequel.

I want to see the X-men and Brotherhood coming into their own and establishing their mission statements. Meanwhile, the story would focus on developing characters and laying the groundwork for future events that can reboot and address the X-films.

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I think the sequel that should 'connect' the two trilogies is the third one from this new cast, including Scott, Jean and Storm.

The next sequel should develop the characters to date, they NEED development, and the creative team CAN do it.

after that, they can add Scott and the others and give them a great plot and scenes.

Based on box office, they probably need to bring in one of the big guns from the franchise. Storm is the only one whose timeline hasn't been definitely established(Wolverine Origins and X3). Singer did have her backstory in the original X-men if I remember correctly so he does have affection for the character. Plus they need a girl on the team.

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I just hope we get to see Scott and Jean in this one... But i don't think we will until a third XFC.

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Y'know what I think might be great?

Bishop and Cable? Takes the period piece nature of the film, and does something new and cool with it. Cable's inclusion leads to earlier recruitment of Scott and Jean. Bishop, as Cable's competitor may make other moves to change the timeline, perhaps an earlier recruitment of Wolverine. Xavier and Magneto get to see the legacy of their conflict before they've even started, and decide how to proceed. It also happens to explain any continuity waffles.

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Y'know what I think might be great?

Bishop and Cable? Takes the period piece nature of the film, and does something new and cool with it. Cable's inclusion leads to earlier recruitment of Scott and Jean. Bishop, as Cable's competitor may make other moves to change the timeline, perhaps an earlier recruitment of Wolverine. Xavier and Magneto get to see the legacy of their conflict before they've even started, and decide how to proceed. It also happens to explain any continuity waffles.
WAY too early for Cable in XM:FC. I could see using them in an Age of Apocalypse or Days of Future Past style X4 but I can't see it working in FC without pretty significant confusion in the General Audience.

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No time travel mutants please.

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No time travel mutants please.
Absolutely nothing in the earlier X-Men films as established that could make time-travel (Hell, not to mention, the outer space stuff like the Shi'ar) not come off as stupid. That'd be doing an episode of Law & Order and suddenly zombies take over and eat Sam Waterston's brains.

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Absolutely nothing in the earlier X-Men films as established that could make time-travel (Hell, not to mention, the outer space stuff like the Shi'ar) not come off as stupid. That'd be doing an episode of Law & Order and suddenly zombies take over and eat Sam Waterston's brains.
No Shi'ar in the movieverse, please.

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No Shi'ar in the movieverse, please.
That's why I say reboot. I'm not a huge fan of the current Xmen cinematic interpretation. X1 & X2 were good but poor character interpretation and lack of critical mutie hate elements kept them from being really great.

As an Xmen fan, why wouldn't I want to see some of the great story lines adapted to film. But adapted with respect to the books NOT the disaster they made of the Dark Phoenix saga. Rebooting with Days of Future Past could be amazing with the right creative team. It is a risk but if Marvel Studios can introduce magic and aliens in MU continuity, I don't see any obstacle for the Xmen to time travel OR have their own alien saga on film.

Xmen is Scifi entertainment. Filmmakers should not fear to embrace the genre and play up the scifi elements woven into the source material.

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No reboot either. People are already shaking their heads that we're getting another Spiderman series so quickly, a rebooted X-Men movie coming just on the heels of an almost completely re-cast prequel is just going to piss them off more.

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I am almost always against reboots.That Is cheap easy way.remember a reboot means all the films In series you liked,paid to see,and bought DVD or VHS or Blu-Ray never happened.

My feeling Is If you go that road you should have to wait 9 or 10 years.Some thought The Incredible Hulk was followup to Hulk.Partly due to misleading ads some In GA
thought Of Casino Royale as showing the origin of James Bond they knew Instead of a completly new series.Some don't like I keep saying Skyfall should be called Bond 3 and not 23.

Warner Brothers should have to wait around 9 years for another Batman reboot.They were the ones that gave Chris Nolan so much power.We still don't know how the GA will respond to a Spider-Man reboot so quickly.

X-Men does not need rebooting.First Class has rehabed the franchise quite nicely without going through the reboot card.And some people In Media still call It reboot.In Interview with Jane Goldman EW called first Class a reboot.

Worldwide First Class Is second highest grossing film In franchise.Out of the quality X-Men films(It,X-Men,X2) It Is biggest success worldwide.And Is second best overall
reviewed film In franchise.There Is no reason to reboot.X-Men at core deals with discrimation with Mutants stand In for Gays,and racial and relgious groups.They are
sworn to protect a world that hates and fears them.The ailen stuff Isn't core to X-Men.
That can work In Comics and Animation.After The AVengers Is In theatres then we can
come back and talk about how a Ailen Invasion In Superhero film can work.

The Days of future past storyline Isn't about changing film contunity.It's about showing a dark future where the forces of prejudge has caused something far worse,and trying to prevent that future from happening.

with them disgarding The Last Stand and Wolverine they are already do It semi.They are doing what Bryan Singer did when he did Superman Returns.Ignore films that went over badly and keep connection to the good films.And really how many really complan about not keeping the Last Stand and wolverine In Mind? First Class reminded people why they
liked the X-Men films to beguin with.And now Fox gives more money than they did to X-Men and X2.

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That's why I say reboot. I'm not a huge fan of the current Xmen cinematic interpretation. X1 & X2 were good but poor character interpretation and lack of critical mutie hate elements kept them from being really great.

As an Xmen fan, why wouldn't I want to see some of the great story lines adapted to film. But adapted with respect to the books NOT the disaster they made of the Dark Phoenix saga. Rebooting with Days of Future Past could be amazing with the right creative team. It is a risk but if Marvel Studios can introduce magic and aliens in MU continuity, I don't see any obstacle for the Xmen to time travel OR have their own alien saga on film.

Xmen is Scifi entertainment. Filmmakers should not fear to embrace the genre and play up the scifi elements woven into the source material.
agree
these movies are fantasy first and can be made like that. that was the problem i had with singer's x-men. they were too grounded. with a good creational team anything is possible.
using an age of apocalypse story is a good way of doing something complitely different with x-men movies. and since its a storyline on its own, its not continuity nor reboot.

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I am almost always against reboots.That Is cheap easy way.remember a reboot means all the films In series you liked,paid to see,and bought DVD or VHS or Blu-Ray never happened.

My feeling Is If you go that road you should have to wait 9 or 10 years.Some thought The Incredible Hulk was followup to Hulk.Partly due to misleading ads some In GA
thought Of Casino Royale as showing the origin of James Bond they knew Instead of a completly new series.Some don't like I keep saying Skyfall should be called Bond 3 and not 23.

Warner Brothers should have to wait around 9 years for another Batman reboot.They were the ones that gave Chris Nolan so much power.We still don't know how the GA will respond to a Spider-Man reboot so quickly.

X-Men does not need rebooting.First Class has rehabed the franchise quite nicely without going through the reboot card.And some people In Media still call It reboot.In Interview with Jane Goldman EW called first Class a reboot.

Worldwide First Class Is second highest grossing film In franchise.Out of the quality X-Men films(It,X-Men,X2) It Is biggest success worldwide.And Is second best overall
reviewed film In franchise.There Is no reason to reboot.X-Men at core deals with discrimation with Mutants stand In for Gays,and racial and relgious groups.They are
sworn to protect a world that hates and fears them.The ailen stuff Isn't core to X-Men.
That can work In Comics and Animation.After The AVengers Is In theatres then we can
come back and talk about how a Ailen Invasion In Superhero film can work.

The Days of future past storyline Isn't about changing film contunity.It's about showing a dark future where the forces of prejudge has caused something far worse,and trying to prevent that future from happening.

with them disgarding The Last Stand and Wolverine they are already do It semi.They are doing what Bryan Singer did when he did Superman Returns.Ignore films that went over badly and keep connection to the good films.And really how many really complan about not keeping the Last Stand and wolverine In Mind? First Class reminded people why they
liked the X-Men films to beguin with.And now Fox gives more money than they did to X-Men and X2.
If I felt the way you do about Xmen and X2 I might agree. But I don't.

You are absolutely right, time travel and aliens are not core to the Xmen books. But discrimination is core and the Singer films, IMO, failed to adequetely portray the human poplation's true hate and discrimination against mutants. In the books Muties were regularly lynched, murdered, kidnapped and hated by the much of the "flatline" population.

Also a driving element within the Wolverine character is his struggle to control his inner rage, his feral nature and his search for redemption. This was an aspect of Wolverine that was hardly addressed at all, even in his own origin movie. Ignoring this aspect of his personality, and the fact that he has not always been the most heroic or sympathetic of characters, fundementally changes Wolverine and makes him less interesting and compelling.

I recognize that they were a huge leap forward in the genre but I felt they were both really flawed. I am grateful for Bryan Singer and his vision but I feel like other Xmen stories can be done better without having to "forget" about the existence of several of the movies. Additionally, as badly as Ratner's team ****ed up the Dark Phoenix saga, I would really like to see another creative team interpret that story at some point in the future since it is THE most defining storyline in Xmen history and deserves a true adaptation. Frankly I am okay waiting a few more years for any type of sequel. However, I still believe you can chain current FC continuity to a reboot MUCH easier than you can connect it to the Singer X-series. I see no issue with completing an FC trilogy pre-Xmen and still remain outside of Singer's contintuity. The only real connection I see between FC and Singer's Xmen at this point is the Hugh Jackman scene. EVERTHING alse is more at odds with Singer's continuity than in sych.

Days of Future Past could either be a sequel to FC set decades down the road or it could be just the full reboot with complete recasting. But I guess how GA receives the Spiderman reboot would be a good indicator if an Xmen reboot would be feasible.

Personally I think comicbook movies may be a genre that lends itself to be reimagined and adapted by different filmmakers. Much like they are handled in the book. It is common for different artists/writers to interpret the characters and stories with their own voice.

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The Age of Apocalypse. Really!?! That is completely nonsensical. Do you even realize what makes the Age of Apocalypse interesting at all? It's because it takes 40+ years of deeply rooted X-Men history and turns it on its head--40+ years of history the general audience knows nothing about. Everything would be lost on them. They have absolutely no idea who half the characters are in the story, and the other half haven't been developed enough for them to possibly care about their motivations in an alternate timeline.

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No Shi'ar in the movieverse, please.
See, I wouldn't mind them in the movie-verse honestly, but it is way too soon to bring them in.

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You are absolutely right, time travel and aliens are not core to the Xmen books. But discrimination is core and the Singer films, IMO, failed to adequetely portray the human poplation's true hate and discrimination against mutants. In the books Muties were regularly lynched, murdered, kidnapped and hated by the much of the "flatline" population.
There's no reason mutant hate couldn't be amped up in the Vaughn films. Even if mutant discrimination didn't figure prominently enough in the Singerverse for your tastes that doesn't mean Vaughn's take on it would contradict the original trilogy enough to require a reboot.

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I agree. This is why I don't mind movie deviations from comic canon.

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The Age of Apocalypse. Really!?! That is completely nonsensical. Do you even realize what makes the Age of Apocalypse interesting at all? It's because it takes 40+ years of deeply rooted X-Men history and turns it on its head--40+ years of history the general audience knows nothing about. Everything would be lost on them. They have absolutely no idea who half the characters are in the story, and the other half haven't been developed enough for them to possibly care about their motivations in an alternate timeline.
I agree with you but I still liked the storyline. I would prefer an Animated Age of Apocalypse type series but I wouldn't mind someone taking a shot at developing a film adaptation some day.

I would prefer a Days of Future Past that mixes present day and future elements.

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The Shia'ar would only work if X-Men was a part of the Marvel Movie universe where Loki is opening the Earth up to alien invasion.

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No, it could work outside of that justification.
I don't think it will ever happen, because Bryan Singer is still the producer and he always like to get away from stuff that are more fantasy-like. Singer prefers to keep his movies grounded and I don't think introducing the Shia'ar fits his style. I'm sure Vaughn shares the same vision as Singer.

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Singer wanted to go cosmic for X3, he's not closed to the idea.

Anyway, I already said before, it's way too early in the series for these films to go into outer space.

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Singer wanted to go cosmic for X3, he's not closed to the idea.

Anyway, I already said before, it's way too early in the series for these films to go into outer space.
Too early how? Chronologically? Because otherwise, the sixth film (The Wolverine) is about to go into production. That's more than most franchises ever get. I'm not disagreeing -- just curious.

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