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Old 01-18-2011, 09:21 PM   #1
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Why is Azarel in this movie? In the comics he is Nightcrawler's demonic "father" introduced one of the most nonsensical X-Men stories ever. He isn't a mutant, he isn't an interesting or important character, why is he in this film?

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Old 01-18-2011, 09:29 PM   #2
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HELLfire Club comes to mind.. also, if they have an X-Men 4, perhaps the HFC will return? Gives Nightcrawler something to do I guess .. I think they're planting seeds and going to expand in X4 or FC2 ..

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Old 01-18-2011, 10:27 PM   #3
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HELLfire Club comes to mind.. also, if they have an X-Men 4, perhaps the HFC will return? Gives Nightcrawler something to do I guess .. I think they're planting seeds and going to expand in X4 or FC2 ..
The Hellfire Club is just a name, they aren't literally from Hell. Sebastian Shaw was born in America, not the 9th circle of Hell and he is just plutocrat, not a demon worshiper. The Hellfire club is not a literal name.

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Old 01-18-2011, 10:31 PM   #4
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maybe it will be in this movie...

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Old 01-18-2011, 10:36 PM   #5
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I've been reading X-Men for years .. the ultimate version of the hellfire club worshiped Phoenix in a cult-like manner, so who is to say they aren't going to change it up for the movie? It would make sense to have Azazel to be a part of the hfc, and nobody said Sebastian Shaw is from hell or even the HFC itself is ..

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Old 01-18-2011, 10:54 PM   #7
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He's In the film to be henchman for Sebsastan Shaw and Emma Frost.I suspect they may
have him take eye on Mystique to hint at Nightcrawler.

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maybe it will be in this movie...
That would just silly, the Hellfire Club are just fine as plutocrats, it makes them villains with a believable and grounded motives, making them into demon worshipers just makes the movie outlandish for no reason. besides it goes against the spirit of the comics, that's not what the Hellfire Club is in the comics. If it ain't broke don't fix it.


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He's In the film to be henchman for Sebsastan Shaw and Emma Frost.I suspect they may
have him take eye on Mystique to hint at Nightcrawler.
That goes against what is in the comics too, where he is a demon lord, having being a henchman not only seems like a downgrade for the character, there are so many more interesting henchmen characters in the X-Men universe who could fit that role.


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I'm baffled that I've never heard of Azrael in the Marvel Universe... I know Azrael from Batman but that's it...

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That would just silly, the Hellfire Club are just fine as plutocrats, it makes them villains with a believable and grounded motives, making them into demon worshipers just makes the movie outlandish for no reason. besides it goes against the spirit of the comics, that's not what the Hellfire Club is in the comics. If it ain't broke don't fix it.
Why did you start this thread if you're just gonna call other people's replies silly .. if you're gonna bite the face off everybody who answers you we should probably not reply anymore..

Nobody said Shaw is from hell, nobody is suggesting them to change them into demon worshipers .. having a demon a part of the team relates to the HELL theme .. and yes, the hfc's symbol is a pitchfork .. which relates to the DEVIL..
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so stop being weird about this ..

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Why did you start this thread if you're just gonna call other people's replies silly .. if you're gonna bite the face off everybody who answers you we should probably not reply anymore..

Nobody said Shaw is from hell, nobody is suggesting them to change them into demon worshipers .. having a demon a part of the team relates to the HELL theme .. and yes, the hfc's symbol is a pitchfork .. which relates to the DEVIL..
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...ueenbolton.png

so stop being weird about this ..
I'm debating this, I'm not "biting people's heads", I'm hardly being nasty. I just think saying just because the Hellfire Club is in this film instantly justifies the presence of a character who is a demon lord. That's not a very good justification in my opinion and if you aren't saying the HFC are going to be demon worshipers or something, why would their presence alone justify the presence of a demon lord?

Besides the name and the logo, one has nothing to with the other and their logo is just that, something meant to be intimidating, it has nothing to do with the devil. HFC connection to demons is just superficial. Like how Daredevil dress up like a devil, that doesn't mean he is the devil or he worships devil, so presence alone wouldn't justify the presence of the devil in his movie.

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I'm debating this, I'm not "biting people's heads", I'm hardly being nasty. I just think saying just because the Hellfire Club is in this film instantly justifies the presence of a character who is a demon lord. That's not a very good justification in my opinion and if you aren't saying the HFC are going to be demon worshipers or something, why would their presence alone justify the presence of a demon lord?

Besides the name and the logo, one has nothing to with the other and their logo is just that, something meant to be intimidating, it has nothing to do with the devil. HFC connection to demons is just superficial. Like how Daredevil dress up like a devil, that doesn't mean he is the devil or he worships devil, so presence alone wouldn't justify the presence of the devil in his movie.
Fine. To answer your question, we don't know why he is in the movie, because it's not out yet. I don't know what kind of response you're hoping to get.

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Fine. To answer your question, we don't know why he is in the movie, because it's not out yet. I don't know what kind of response you're hoping to get.
Give any response you want, I don't see why we can't debate points brought up in a response. Isn't the point of the forum to debate the merits of this upcoming film?

Its just a very odd choice to put him in and leave out characters that most people would consider more interesting or taking time to focus on him when that time could be given to other characters in the cast. It seems like they are repeating the mistakes of the recent films, putting too many characters in and having them fight for the spot light.

So I am genuinely curious to why he is in the film, I think given how unpopular his story is in the comics, they should given a clear reason why he is there, rather then just putting him in, with no explanation.


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Besides him being a henceman to Shaw and getting along with Mystique his role won't be big compared to the other important characters. But you could say why he is in the movie is because of putting a connection to Mystique and Nightcrawler.

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Old 01-19-2011, 12:30 AM   #15
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This is an origin movie. Mystique is Nightcrawler's mother. Azazel is Nightcrawler's father. By that logic, and given the time period, Azazel's inclusion makes more sense than the likes of Angel, or even Havok, who really have no place in this film at all.

We don't know the extent of Azazel's role, and there aren't nearly as many characters in this movie as in X2 or The Last Stand to potentially cannibalize each other's storylines, so why not?

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I understand Azazel's inclusion alot more than this "Angel " insect like character, that to me has been the serious WTF. Though Azazel was a bit random since i never heard of the character till this film, but it does make sense because he is apart of Mystique/Nightcrawlers backstory.

And if that player1 guy is legit, it sounds like Azazel will tie into Mystiques background because he mentioned ascene with them two and Azazel demanding to have his baby or something along those lines.

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I'm baffled that I've never heard of Azrael in the Marvel Universe... I know Azrael from Batman but that's it...
In the Marvel Universe he's known as Azazel.

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I haven't posted in a forum in years, anyway I really think the only reason Azazel's in this movie, is cause Lauren Schuler Donner fell in love with the BAMF effect they created back in "X2", now they have to have the effect in every X Movie, it happened with the random X3 teleporter, and with Will.i.am in "Wolverine". Of course the Nightcrawler backstory is a good excuse.

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I'm baffled that I've never heard of Azrael in the Marvel Universe... I know Azrael from Batman but that's it...
Yeah, same here. I wondered why he's in this as well. He's not a mutant? Now im really baffled.

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He's a mutant. For this movie they may very well change so he's just a mutant that happens to look demonic and can teleport instead of being one of this ancient demonic race like in the comics.

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HELLfire Club comes to mind.. also, if they have an X-Men 4, perhaps the HFC will return? Gives Nightcrawler something to do I guess .. I think they're planting seeds and going to expand in X4 or FC2 ..
agreed.

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Why is Azarel in this movie? In the comics he is Nightcrawler's demonic "father" introduced one of the most nonsensical X-Men stories ever.
He's Mystique's lover. He's Nightcrawler's father. The film doesn't have to follow Chuck Austen's 'The Draco' story exactly, so therefore it doesn't have to be nonsensical.

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He isn't a mutant, he isn't an interesting or important character, why is he in this film?
I'm sure he'll be a mutant in the film, much in the same way Lady Deathstrike was changed from a cyborg to a mutant for X2. While it's always good to have a solid foundation from the comics for a character - how interesting he is in the film depends solely on his portrayal in the film. Jason Flemyng is a good actor and as demonstrated in X2, teleportation can be a fantastic visual.

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Its just a very odd choice to put him in and leave out characters that most people would consider more interesting or taking time to focus on him when that time could be given to other characters in the cast.
Most people aren't Matthew Vaughn - he has to make his movie. Vaughn's tastes are generally more unconventional than that your average X-Men fan - his favourite character is Stacy X.

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I'm rather intrigued by his inclusion, actually.

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I think overall the movie screws the pooch on character selection. From an origin standpoint, I understand his inclusion, and as another pointed out, it makes more sense than Havok and Angel Salvador. Since the movie has little to no regard for continuity, and seems to want to avoid most of the principle cast of the previous four films, I kind of wonder why they didn't choose more popular or more interesting heroes to populate the X-Men. Thunderbird/Warpath (good chance for a death there) would've been a interesting inclusion. Also, why no Quicksilver and Scarlet Witch? It was my understanding they're were available to FOX, and in a movie about Xavier and Magneto, why not? Forge? Fantomex? Northstar? Dazzler (Hello! You're setting it in the 60s) Cannonball? Longshot? Chamber? Sunfire? Boom-Boom? Magma? All of those characters would've been more interesting and far more deserving of film representations than Angel Salvador or whatever other strange characters they've included.

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I think overall the movie screws the pooch on character selection. From an origin standpoint, I understand his inclusion, and as another pointed out, it makes more sense than Havok and Angel Salvador. Since the movie has little to no regard for continuity, and seems to want to avoid most of the principle cast of the previous four films, I kind of wonder why they didn't choose more popular or more interesting heroes to populate the X-Men. Thunderbird/Warpath (good chance for a death there) would've been a interesting inclusion. Also, why no Quicksilver and Scarlet Witch? It was my understanding they're were available to FOX, and in a movie about Xavier and Magneto, why not? Forge? Fantomex? Northstar? Dazzler (Hello! You're setting it in the 60s) Cannonball? Longshot? Chamber? Sunfire? Boom-Boom? Magma? All of those characters would've been more interesting and far more deserving of film representations than Angel Salvador or whatever other strange characters they've included.
I get what you're saying (though I think Dazzler belongs more to the 70s disco era). It's hard to answer/debate, since we don't know how the characters they chose factor into the story.

But, on the face of it, Angel Salvadore does seem an odd choice that wouldn't be at the top of most X-Men fans' lists. I can understand Darwin (as the Deadly Genesis tale of an earlier team seems to make him suitable for this tale).

With a crashing jet seemingly in the film, Thunderbird would have been great (as he died in a plane explosion when trying to stop Count Nefaria). And Sunfire would have fitted with the film's nuclear threat plotlines, as his mutation was blamed on his parents' exposure to Hiroshima if i remember rightly.

But then again, Matthew Vaughn wanted Stacy X in his version of X3, so he does favour some out-of-the-box choices.

I do share some of your bemusement and bafflement at some of the character decisions, but it's hard to know how it plays out.

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