Young Justice Cartoon

[Nathan]

Do we have an idea when and if Slade will show up? If he does, I hope they get Ron Perlman back to reprise the role. He was one of the most awesome things in the Teen Titans cartoon.

[ironwez20]

Im pretty sure he's part of the light.

[JoeyConQueso]

I think Greg Weisman has said that he wants to avoid Deathstroke for the time being, primaily due to how much he was focused on in Teen Titans.

[venomfangs125]

Originally Posted by Dread

It is kind of sad that "OVER THE EDGE" remains Bane's best animated appearance, and that was basically a Scarecrow induced dream episode.

I liked Danny Trejo as Bane. Henry Silva did a great job as well, but I had no problems with Trejo's performance. I thought it was cool coming off "MACHETE" for him.

But, see, look at what a physical presence Bane is. Even when he's just a wrestler monster in "THE BATMAN" or "BATMAN: BRAVE AND THE BOLD" he was usually at least a physical challenge. Why can Mammoth be too much for Superboy to handle but a juiced-up Bane is less than an annoyance? Why can Sportsmaster be capable of defeating both Miss Martian AND Superboy with nothing but a laser rifle but Bane can't even get a chance at one of the lesser powered YJ members (like Robin or even Aqualad)? I liked that Bane was a cunning antagonist here, although given how his scheme backfired and he always seemed to get captured and/or tied to trees, he isn't so cunning as to actually get away with anything. Sportsmaster was. SPORTSMASTER. That's like a Batman cartoon in which the Joker is a bumbling, useless fool but Killer Moth is the ultimate criminal mastermind for an entire season. Come the **** on.

Of course, given how Sportsmaster may end up being the father of Artemis, if THAT is the "Artemis" that is showing up, so it makes sense to have him stick around. It just seemed a little irritating to me that in an episode that was packed to the gills with DC villains, they chose the one with the most recognition, and actually a great deal of dialogue, to be the weakest in terms of a fight. Only Shimmer put up less of a fight, and she was little more than Kobra's hench-wench.

I don't expect Bane to show up again. I doubt Danny Trejo can commit to a TV cartoon show for very long, given that he's in the movies. Plus, Bane isn't a part of "the Light" at all, and they're the central villains for at least this season. Bane was pretty much a casualty of their scheme to create a better performance enhancer. Now that Kobra is off of Santra Prisca, Bane can rebuild and there's really no reason why he needs to concern himself with YJ again. To be honest, it would be difficult to build him as a threat if he showed up again; the team beat him in 30 seconds. I actually never imagined Bane would be like a poor man's Geoffory Wilder (from RUNAWAYS) - a crime boss who relies on street cunning and manipulation more than any sort of powers. While I like that Weisman and company are trying to expand upon the also-ran DC villains, it doesn't hurt to have some of the bigger ones put in a good physical showing. It's like if Doomsday showed up in this show, he'd get dropped in a pre-credits sequence, but a putz like Terra Man would be capable of challenging the entire team for 15 minutes. It's a bit ludicrous in a way.

I like Miss Martian, but I don't like it when a "triangle" ends this quickly. She's head over heels for Superboy and that's that, really. Let the shipping begin!

This was a better, more action packed episode than the last, though. And I still like the show overall. It's one of DC's better new shows since 2006, frankly.

Technically Bane never got a chance to face any of the Young Justice team members besides MM and SB. They both just got the drop on him everytime they had to fight him. He's basically out of his league with Superboy. That's probably why he was trying to use his brain in this episode because his strength wasn't gonna cut it against Mammoth and Superboy. Speaking of...How is it Blockbuster can whipe the floor with Kid Flash, Aqualad AND Superboy but Mammoth who's supposed to be STRONGER than Blockbuster is having trouble KO'ing Superboy. Did he get stronger from absorbing sunlight while he was out?

Miss Martian and Superboy are on good terms, but Superboy's still got that temper....And in the next episode he's supposed to 'go rogue' as in he's gonna turn on his teammates and somebody's gonna have to put him in his place.

And what you said about Sportsmaster and Artemis intrests me...What if---And I mean a BIG What-if---Artemis was the Light's way of paying YJ back? The timing works, they've already given the 'three strikes, your dead' speech. And Artemis's character is supposed to be mysterious and a 'dark past.' I'm just thinking out loud. No need to flame me.

[Nathan]

I thought the combination of the serum just made Venom 3 times stronger. I think they had to trade off some of the Blockbuster's raw power, so the user doesn't turn into a mindless beast.

[Wolfwood]

This is my first episode and I have to say I really enjoyed it, though I gotta admit Robin's voice was off putting at first.

[Dread]

Originally Posted by venomfangs125

Technically Bane never got a chance to face any of the Young Justice team members besides MM and SB. They both just got the drop on him everytime they had to fight him. He's basically out of his league with Superboy. That's probably why he was trying to use his brain in this episode because his strength wasn't gonna cut it against Mammoth and Superboy. Speaking of...How is it Blockbuster can whipe the floor with Kid Flash, Aqualad AND Superboy but Mammoth who's supposed to be STRONGER than Blockbuster is having trouble KO'ing Superboy. Did he get stronger from absorbing sunlight while he was out?

Miss Martian and Superboy are on good terms, but Superboy's still got that temper....And in the next episode he's supposed to 'go rogue' as in he's gonna turn on his teammates and somebody's gonna have to put him in his place.

And what you said about Sportsmaster and Artemis intrests me...What if---And I mean a BIG What-if---Artemis was the Light's way of paying YJ back? The timing works, they've already given the 'three strikes, your dead' speech. And Artemis's character is supposed to be mysterious and a 'dark past.' I'm just thinking out loud. No need to flame me.

I won't flame you. In my review I suspected that perhaps Artemis is Sportsmaster's daughter and she acts as "the Light's" mole into the team. Of course, whether she fulfills that role to the letter or gets emotionally attached to them is another matter. I suggested she could end up with a similar arc as Emma Frost in "WOLVERINE AND THE X-MEN". But only time will tell.

I miss the Superboy who was fun and wasn't content to dress like he just walked out of a shop in Midtown Manhattan. I suppose every team needs an angry brooding loner, but I am not sure it is an ideal fit for him. I liked the return of some of his cockiness, but we'll see how the "going rogue" thing goes. Miss Martian is hopelessly devoted, it seems. The more "emo" Superboy gets, the more attached she will become. It's usually how TV dysfunctional relationships work, and it's not even an American thing. Latin "soaps" as well as no end of anime series have women fall for the worst kinds of men for them for dramatic flair. Getting said men to "soften" over love is a common trope. Besides, who else is going to try to connect with Superboy?

The power levels in the series will need getting used to, and naturally this show is it's own universe (literally), so villains will vary. I was just questioning it from a production standpoint to have a villain who is probably the most well known and popular villain the show has had yet come off as a punching bag at every turn here. Especially as he's set to appear in a movie next year. It's like if in TSSM, Dr. Octopus went down like a puss three times within ten minutes, but the Ox proved capable of battling Spidey for half an episode. That didn't happen, thankfully, but you can see my point. You don't bring Bane in and then give him so much focus in an episode and then have him go down like a jobber three times in a row. It seems a bit misguided to me. But to each their own, I guess. It's just a shame that Bane has been around for 18 years and no alternate media interpretation has gotten him completely right. This episode came very close, VERY VERY CLOSE to getting it right, and that's probably what frustrates me. If a Greg Weisman cartoon can't get Bane 100%, then I really have no faith he ever will be depicted properly in another medium. Given how Tombstone came off in TSSM, it actually surprised me.

In all of the rest of his animated appearances, Bane was usually among Batman's most challenging physical opponents. The problem was he usually offered little else, and the "venom" tube continued to be his weakness - akin to Juggernaut and his helmet, only easier to exploit. While he wasn't stupid in "the Timmverse", other incarnations really focused on the muscle power aspect. This episode actually got the fact that he's supposed to be smart, or at least really cunning, down. It even got that he isn't a scrawny weakling without a venom injection. The problem is that it did that at the expense of making him seem in any way a physical, imposing threat. You can't really have one or the other to get Bane totally right, least to me.

I don't want to give the impression that I disliked the episode; I liked it. I liked it a lot more than the second episode, in fact. The action was very good. It just had nitpicks that bugged me.

[FinalAvalanche]

Originally Posted by venomfangs125

And what you said about Sportsmaster and Artemis intrests me...What if---And I mean a BIG What-if---Artemis was the Light's way of paying YJ back? The timing works, they've already given the 'three strikes, your dead' speech. And Artemis's character is supposed to be mysterious and a 'dark past.' I'm just thinking out loud. No need to flame me.

I think flaming is in bad taste. And on another note, in a previous interview it was stated that Artemis is insecure about her background and family connections. So she might be on the fence about whether she is good, or evil at heart. Who knows, it's such a vague statement.

[Gold Samurai]

I would think Superboy would be more a threat. In the premiere "the light" thinks Superboy working with YJ might be a good thing.

He could have some sleeper program in him.

[JustABill]

Haven't watched Bane episode, been playing catch up loving it so far, but I just had to say....

''HELLO MEGAN!"

Also Zatanna totally is going to be a teenager in this at some point. I noticed they used Zatara for the JL instead of her.

[Nathan]

I have to say, I really don't mind anymore that they are going with a completely new continuity. I would have liked to see the character line-up that had Tim Drake as Robin, but it looks like they're trying to make sense of all the characters and their ages. Like for example, Batman had 3 sidekicks, two of them are adults and Tim is already a teenager, yet Batman has barely aged. And apparently Barry and Hal are back again in the comics, with no gray hair whatsoever.

So now, in this new cartoon, we get the entire classic JLA line-up, with the Young Justice team slowly growing up to eventually replace them. Robin will become Batman, Wally takes over as the 2nd Flash, Superboy takes Superman's place and so on.

[TheCorpulent1]

Last week's episode was all right. I hate seeing the kids in all-black costumes and taking this "black ops" thing seriously, and I hate this version of the JLA for thinking it's appropriate to put teenagers in that context. I also hated Bane's whiteface mask or facepaint or whatever. Dude already has an awesome mask in the comics. Just. F***ing. Use it.

Outside of those points, though, it was a solid episode. It was nice to see Kobra, and Bane was at least somewhat intelligent, which is a big plus over his other adaptations. His voice and mannerisms could've been a bit classier, but they weren't too bad. I suppose it's just Bane's cross to bear to never ever be adapted especially well into other media. The leadership stuff got a bit saccharine toward the end, but I liked how everyone universally appreciated that Aqualad was the best candidate. Also, nice shout-out to Gargoyles with Shimmer and (I guess) Mammoth looking suspiciously like Jackal and Hyena of the Pack.

[Primal Slayer]

Originally Posted by TheCorpulent1

Last week's episode was all right. I hate seeing the kids in all-black costumes and taking this "black ops" thing seriously, and I hate this version of the JLA for thinking it's appropriate to put teenagers in that context.

All they were suppose to do is recon and spy on the situation then report back to the JLA, nothing to bad about that. Things just didnt go as suspected and they trust them enough to take on some mediocre (at the current time) villans by themselves if they have to.

[Nathan]

And there weren't really and big guns. The Cadmus situation was way more dangerous.

[TheCorpulent1]

I know what their actual role is, but "black ops" carries all kinds of awful connotations. I really wish they'd just stop calling them that. And let them keep their normal costumes. These are superheroes; don't make them look like they're ashamed of it.

[Nathan]

I have to agree with you. After all, you don't see any of the adult superheroes dress differently when they go on more delicate missions. And they have no problem taking their side-kicks with them, when fighting dangerous super villains.

So why do they need to be super-extra-careful now that they are a team of 5?

[TheCorpulent1]

Another thing: Conner's rejection of tights made the rest of the team suddenly look really stupid to me. I wish they'd taken it for granted that superhero costumes are normal and just given him one rather than having him reject the concept and call attention to everyone else's.

[FinalAvalanche]

Originally Posted by JustABill

Also Zatanna totally is going to be a teenager in this at some point. I noticed they used Zatara for the JL instead of her.

I froze a frame of Zatara from the first episode. He has a fair amount of wrinkles, so Zatanna may be in her twenties like Black Canary is.

[TheCorpulent1]

If Miss Martian has the kind of effect she does on Wally, I shudder to think of how he'll react to Zatanna.

[Sawyer]

Hopefully Z doesn't spurn his advances in favor of the bad boy like Megan did.

Wally needs love too!

[JoeyConQueso]

Originally Posted by TheCorpulent1

Another thing: Conner's rejection of tights made the rest of the team suddenly look really stupid to me. I wish they'd taken it for granted that superhero costumes are normal and just given him one rather than having him reject the concept and call attention to everyone else's.

It would be funny if they made it so that Superboy's dislike of tights stemmed partially from his Cadmus experience due to just being stuck in that solar suit for however long his mind thought it was.

I really miss the old one earring, leather jacket, "Don't Mess With The S" Superboy but this one will do. I just wish he would lighten up more. What he went through in a few weeks, Venture Bros. deal with for years.

[GamerSlyRatchet]

Originally Posted by TheCorpulent1

I also hated Bane's whiteface mask or facepaint or whatever. Dude already has an awesome mask in the comics. Just. F***ing. Use it.

That's actually a real mask. It just looks like that due to it being designed to be more expressive, but it's not facepaint. Explains the huge metal hole in the back connected to the pump.

Originally Posted by JoeyConQueso

It would be funny if they made it so that Superboy's dislike of tights stemmed partially from his Cadmus experience due to just being stuck in that solar suit for however long his mind thought it was.

I really miss the old one earring, leather jacket, "Don't Mess With The S" Superboy but this one will do. I just wish he would lighten up more. What he went through in a few weeks, Venture Bros. deal with for years.

I thought the "No Flights, No Tights" line was a subtle jab at Smallville.

You are using the Venture Brothers as examples? You don't understand: we actually want Superboy to be a NORMAL human (alien?) being.

[ironwez20]

Originally Posted by TheCorpulent1

I know what their actual role is, but "black ops" carries all kinds of awful connotations. I really wish they'd just stop calling them that. And let them keep their normal costumes. These are superheroes; don't make them look like they're ashamed of it.

I think this was a one time thing. they wont change there costumes everytime they are on a misssion. Plus superboy has that outfit in the comics.

[TheCorpulent1]

And I hate it just as much in the comics. I was fine with it as a transitional sort of thing at the start of Teen Titans, but then the years wore on and he kept wearing it and now I can't f***ing stand it.

[Gold Samurai]

He's going to wear the 90's costume sooner or later

http://geek-life.com/2010/07/23/comi...tice-and-more/

Brandon Vietti: Superboy does NOT go STRAIGHT to the black shirt and pants. Between his first appearance in the show and the comic book that ties in closely with our series you will see Superboy in some different outfits before he settles on his final look. We do have plans for the 90's style costume. But I'm not spilling any more details about that here. You'll just have to tune in.