Discussion: Global Warming, Emission Standards, and Other Environmental Issues II

[Paradoxium]

Originally Posted by DACrowe

I actually rarely read Friedman. But I am using common sense, so if that is what he is saying than Mr. Friedman again proves he is a very smart man.

As that idiom goes: "You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make it drink". A common sense concept completely lost on the "lets get the government to spearhead green jobs" movement. Especially when you are taking water from other horses.

[Marx]

I read that the 'Static Kill' is scheduled to begin tomorrow. I'm still wondering who the heck comes up with all of these 'catchy' names.

[Marx]

It looks like the 'Static Kill' is working.

[VampElvis]

That is indeed great news. AND supposedly the government will announce today 75% of the oil has been either cleaned up, filtered, or taken to the nevernever by faeries.

[Marx]

Even if it's true that 75 percent of the oil spill has been cleaned up, that means that 25 percent is still out there.

[Marx]

It looks like the 'Static Kill' method worked.

[StorminNorman]

I got rehired to work in Okaloosa County Fl. Finding tons of tarballs on the beaches, as well as a lot of boom debris and absorption paper. The sandbars off the coast are suppose to be full of oil.

[Marx]

Originally Posted by StorminNorman

I got rehired to work in Okaloosa County Fl. Finding tons of tarballs on the beaches, as well as a lot of boom debris and absorption paper. The sandbars off the coast are suppose to be full of oil.

That's great man!

[StorminNorman]

You ain't kidding. This is the best job I have ever had. I take a possibly sinful joy in the fact I wake up each morning at 3 a.m. to go out and play a part in a true national tragedy. The ability to put sweat, blood and time into real good is such an incredible feeling. It made me briefly reconsider military service, but I know that my personal philosophy and ideology would probably be ill-suited for service that requires losing ones individuality and become simply apart of a unit.

The greatest frustration comes from OSHA and their ridiculous over-the-top safety measures. They requires contractors to hire in massive bulk (we had over 1,000 people at my old site before they started radical downsizing). These workforces are too large to be managed effectively, (plus their is no real motive in rewarding productivity sense BP will pay the same for a good one as a bad one) so when there are cut downs, lazy individuals who don't work are kept while true workers are fired. There are three distinct groups: young, good workers (ideal workforce). old, good workers (ideal workforce and management) and those that are looking for a paycheck (and thus spend their time trying to figure out how to do as little amount of work as possible).

It's truly an educational experience as well. The time I get to spend with (I mean this with no condescension) salt-of-the-Earth people is truly wonderful - I have met awesome people that I would never have met otherwise. Going through school in the "advanced" public school tract, then hanging out mostly college-types can easily blind you to entirely different groups of people.

At the same time, for every honest, hard worker - you have people counting the days until they qualify for unemployment.

[Kelly]

Originally Posted by Marx

Even if it's true that 75 percent of the oil spill has been cleaned up, that means that 25 percent is still out there.

I don't believe for one second that 75% of the oil spill has been cleared. I'm surprised that actually put a percentage to it.....dumbest thing I've ever heard.

[Marx]

Originally Posted by Kel

I don't believe for one second that 75% of the oil spill has been cleared. I'm surprised that actually put a percentage to it.....dumbest thing I've ever heard.

I don't believe it either. I'm still wondering how they are going to clear all of the underwater oil clouds...

[VampElvis]

That was kinda my point with the fairies and the nevernever when I brought it up.......

[Marx]

I think it's ridiculous that all of these people are saying 'well, we're not really finding any oil on the surface anymore so it must be gone'.

THAT'S BECAUSE IT'S ALL UNDERWATER!!!!!!

[Marx]

MASSIVE ICE SHELF BREAKS OFF FROM GREENLAND
http://www.cnn.com/2010/WORLD/americ...ex.html?hpt=T1

Holy ****!

[Spidey-Bat]

"Environmentalists say ice melt is being caused by global warming with Arctic temperatures in the 1990s reaching their warmest level of any decade in at least 2,000 years, according to a study published in 2009."

I didn't know we've been recording accurate temperatures for 2,000 years

[Marx]

Dismiss it all you want to Spidey, but things like this are not normal.

[Spidey-Bat]

I just find it hilarious that they're saying the 90's were the warmest decade in 2,000 years when we've only been taking accurate temperatures for maybe 200 years.

[Kelly]

Well all I know is I just walked to the Kroger store across from me, and its ****ing hot out there....

[Carcharodon]

Originally Posted by Spidey-Bat

"Environmentalists say ice melt is being caused by global warming with Arctic temperatures in the 1990s reaching their warmest level of any decade in at least 2,000 years, according to a study published in 2009."

I didn't know we've been recording accurate temperatures for 2,000 years

Originally Posted by Spidey-Bat

I just find it hilarious that they're saying the 90's were the warmest decade in 2,000 years when we've only been taking accurate temperatures for maybe 200 years.

Do you have any idea how they obtained those data? Have you bothered to educate yourself about the methods they've used, or (perhaps more importantly) the principles behind those methods?

There's a word for what you're espousing. Unfortunately, I'm not allowed to say it, because that word makes mods cry.

[StorminNorman]

[C. Lee]

Originally Posted by Carcharodon

Unfortunately, I'm not allowed to say it, because that word makes mods cry.

And you wouldn't want to see me cry.

[Spidey-Bat]

Originally Posted by Carcharodon

Do you have any idea how they obtained those data? Have you bothered to educate yourself about the methods they've used, or (perhaps more importantly) the principles behind those methods?

There's a word for what you're espousing. Unfortunately, I'm not allowed to say it, because that word makes mods cry.

How do they do it then? If you know, what don't you tell us instead of being condescending about it?

[chaseter]

Originally Posted by Carcharodon

Do you have any idea how they obtained those data? Have you bothered to educate yourself about the methods they've used, or (perhaps more importantly) the principles behind those methods?

There's a word for what you're espousing. Unfortunately, I'm not allowed to say it, because that word makes mods cry.

Ice core samples...do I win?

And they aren't recording temperature...they are recording carbon dioxide content. The more CO2 in the air, the warmer the temperature because CO2 is a green house gas.

[Carcharodon]

Originally Posted by Spidey-Bat

How do they do it then? If you know, what don't you tell us instead of being condescending about it?

I don't know well enough to try to teach you. That would be a mistake. You'd be better off doing your own research on the issue. Of course, that's assuming you actually WANT to educate yourself on the issue.

Originally Posted by chaseter

Ice core samples...do I win?

And they aren't recording temperature...they are recording carbon dioxide content. The more CO2 in the air, the warmer the temperature because CO2 is a green house gas.

I *think* it has more to do with isotopes of the components of molecular oxygen. 18 and 16, maybe. CO2 might be considered an indicator of atmospheric temperature, but so would methane and water vapor, as well as other gasses.

Also, out of curiosity: who said they WERE recording temperature?

[Spidey-Bat]

Originally Posted by Carcharodon

I don't know well enough to try to teach you. That would be a mistake. You'd be better off doing your own research on the issue. Of course, that's assuming you actually WANT to educate yourself on the issue.

I *think* it has more to do with isotopes of the components of molecular oxygen. 18 and 16, maybe. CO2 might be considered an indicator of atmospheric temperature, but so would methane and water vapor, as well as other gasses.

Also, out of curiosity: who said they WERE recording temperature?

The section I quoted said temperatures