Michael Jackson II: Legendary Redux! - Page 2

JabarR · 11-30-2010, 09:39 PM

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Originally Posted by SpeterMan3

The J5 would have been nowhere near as popular without Michael. Do you think they would have been picked up by Motown if not for his amazing performance at age 6? he was always the most talented of the family. The Jacksons wouldn't be icons without Michael. They maybe would have been picked up by a lesser label and eventually even fizzled out. As a whole and individually they were great and my favorite group of all time, but the greatest contributor to their popularity was Michael's golden voice and charismatic nature. It was great when Jermaine started to sing more lead again, but Michael was the one. Period.

See, this what I mean by people singling out the family for Michael!

Marx · 11-30-2010, 09:41 PM

The Jackson 5 was good, but Michael was clearly the star.

JabarR · 11-30-2010, 10:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Marx

The Jackson 5 was good, but Michael was clearly the star.

You need to watch more J5 footage.

OctaviusINC · 12-01-2010, 02:47 AM

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Originally Posted by JabarR

You need to watch more J5 footage.

You could watch all the J5 footage you want. Jermaine, Tito, Jackie, and Marlon were all very talented but Michael stood out. He had something more. MJ's brothers were good as a the JACKSON 5. But solo? Not so much. I wasn't around when J5 first came up, but talking to older generations about it, not knowing what was to become of lil Michael, they still said he had something more. A certain spark. Hell, people back then who worked with J5 even said that.

They were introduced (wrongly) as Michael Jackson and the Jackson 5. He stood out. That's why the rest of the brothers can't even do a concert reunion. Because without Michael, what's the point?

The Sage · 12-01-2010, 08:23 AM

Heck in some ways, the Victory tour was probably an unofficial "Thriller" tour. I was a toddler when it occurred but reading articles and judging from the song list, that's what it looks like it was.

SpeterMan3 · 12-01-2010, 01:56 PM

Basically, yeah. I was -10 then, but I've seen enough to basically see it as the concert that was sort of a "goodbye Jacksons, hello (again) Michael" sort of deal. Not that that was the point of it, but that's how it worked out. There's a reason for Michael being able to basically repeat it for the first leg of the Bad tour.

Chris Wallace · 12-02-2010, 06:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Marx

The Jackson 5 was good, but Michael was clearly the star.

From day one.

Chris Wallace · 12-02-2010, 07:05 AM

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Originally Posted by The Sage

Heck in some ways, the Victory tour was probably an unofficial "Thriller" tour. I was a toddler when it occurred but reading articles and judging from the song list, that's what it looks like it was.

As I remember, the "Victory" album flopped. At the height of Michael's popularity, the Jacksons' album couldn't sell. And one of the most common complaints was that it didn't have enough of Michael. Because Tito on lead vocal is just not a very strong selling point. Ever. "2300" didn't exactly set the world on fire, either. Did anybody buy that album? Did anyone care about it beyond the title track? I also remember Bob Sirott (sp?) doing a TV special on the Jacksons, & in one segment he shopped around headshots of the other Jackson brothers to people on the street, and not one person could identify them. If JabarR is right & we're wrong-if Michael truly owes his success to his brothers and not the other way around, then why did he leave them in the dust? Why aren't they the big superstars that he was? Where's Jermaine's record-breaking album? Where's Marlon's? Why aren't all these up-and-coming stars citing Jackie & Tito as an influence? Why did Michael have 10 times more success as a solo artist than with the group? Why did only he & Janet rise to prominence? Why do so many people confuse his Randy with the "American Idol" judge? Hell, let's rewind to the days of "Got To Be There" & "Ben". Let's go back further to when Diana Ross announced them as "Michael Jackson & the Jackson 5." It seems pretty obvious to me who Motown was banking on to be the breakout star. And Berry Gordy is a pretty good judge of these things.

The Sage · 12-02-2010, 07:27 PM

First time hearing this, MJ's Blue Gangsta: http://www.411mania.com/music/news/164556

ALP · 12-02-2010, 07:51 PM

The J5 does not even exist without MJ. And not a single one of the other brothers were able to have a successful solo career. One of them was recently working at a furniture store...

DCnightwing23 · 12-03-2010, 02:57 PM

Michael Jackson's new song "Blue Gangsta"

http://www.desihits.com/news/view/mi...ngsta-20101202

2010's Smooth Criminal?? Possibly, its a very good song. Im guessing this is the true finished song that was leaked awhile back called gangsta, only this is all MJ and its brilliant

JabarR · 12-03-2010, 11:18 PM

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Originally Posted by ALP

The J5 does not even exist without MJ. And not a single one of the other brothers were able to have a successful solo career.

Jermaine had one! It was brief, true, but he did have one.

SpeterMan3 · 12-04-2010, 08:55 PM

I was going to say that, but I wouln't exactly call it a career.

On another note...

VIDEO-CLick to Watch!:

ALP · 12-04-2010, 09:12 PM

Jermaine Jackson license suspended for not paying child support. He owes over $90,000.

http://news.gather.com/viewArticle.a...81474978755664

He said he makes less than $2k a month

DCnightwing23 · 12-05-2010, 01:49 AM

In the teaser for Hold My Hand at the 14 seconds mark if you pause it or look close enough you can see MJ's silhouette on the doors that are opening.. it instantly gives me chills whenever i see that part.. wow epic music video thats all i can say

**Hunter Rider** · 12-05-2010, 07:50 AM

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Originally Posted by DCnightwing23

Michael Jackson's new song "Blue Gangsta"

http://www.desihits.com/news/view/mi...ngsta-20101202

2010's Smooth Criminal?? Possibly, its a very good song. Im guessing this is the true finished song that was leaked awhile back called gangsta, only this is all MJ and its brilliant

Fantastic track, shame it's not on the 'Michael' album.

Has anyone heard 'Do You Know Where Your Children Are'? it's a brilliant song, classic MJ, kinda sounds like it was from the Dangerous period but the guitar has a hint of 'Beat it'.

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Originally Posted by SpeterMan3

I was going to say that, but I wouln't exactly call it a career.

On another note...

VIDEO-CLick to Watch!:

I can see this being Christmas #1.

ALP · 12-05-2010, 12:43 PM

Hold My Hand isn't new at all. I heard it when it leaked over two years ago

BG is pretty darn cool btw.

DCnightwing23 · 12-05-2010, 01:16 PM

Well the leaked Hold My Hand wasnt the finished version, so this version is new and is the better of the two. Blue Gangsta is one bad a** song

Chris Wallace · 12-06-2010, 06:58 AM

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Originally Posted by ALP

Jermaine Jackson license suspended for not paying child support. He owes over $90,000.

http://news.gather.com/viewArticle.a...81474978755664

He said he makes less than $2k a month

I think that says it all. And his solo star was vaporized when Michael's took off.

JabarR · 12-06-2010, 09:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Chris Wallace

I think that says it all. And his solo star was vaporized when Michael's took off.

I said it before and I'll say it again, you are so ungrateful!

Chris Wallace · 12-06-2010, 10:58 AM

I don't see how you can get "ungrateful" from me stating an observation. What the hell am I supposed to be appreciating? Did Jermaine write the songs that put Michael on top? Did Jermaine produce the albums, or help him in ANY way after everyone else left Motown, or did he stay where he was & do his own thing, only to be totally eclipsed by his younger brother? MICHAEL put in the work, MICHAEL had the drive, MICHAEL had the talent-the rest had nothing to do with him reaching the heights that he did and even if they deserved credit for him getting started, the vast majority of what he accomplished was done WITHOUT them. They're not in the Guinness Book-he is. They didn't receive multiple Grammies off one album-he did. I have demonstrated time and again that he owed them nothing and I owe them even less. Or to put it another way-"What have you done for me LATELY?"

JabarR · 12-06-2010, 12:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Chris Wallace

Did Jermaine write the songs that put Michael on top?

VIDEO-CLick to Watch!:

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Did Jermaine produce the albums, or help him in ANY way after everyone else left Motown

VIDEO-CLick to Watch!:

ALP · 12-06-2010, 03:09 PM

New from hot toys

SpeterMan3 · 12-06-2010, 03:12 PM

Wow.

Chris Wallace · 12-06-2010, 03:37 PM

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Originally Posted by JabarR

VIDEO-CLick to Watch!:

First clip was Michael backing up Jermaine. Not Jermaine contributing to any of Michael's #1 hits. The other two have nothing to do with Michael & therefore in no way support your argument. The answer to both of my questions is NO. Not only did Jermaine not support mIchael's solo career in any way, he even went on to put out a song that trashed him.

11-30-2010, 09:41 PM	#27
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12-01-2010, 08:23 AM	#30
The Sage Beyond death's stroke... SHH! Global Moderator Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: In the Sage's lair Posts: 40,541	Re: Michael Jackson: 1958-2009 Heck in some ways, the Victory tour was probably an unofficial "Thriller" tour. I was a toddler when it occurred but reading articles and judging from the song list, that's what it looks like it was. __________________ "Far better it is to dare mighty things, to win glorious triumphs, even though checkered by failure, than to rank with those poor spirits who neither enjoy much nor suffer much, because they live in that grey twilight that knows neither victory nor defeat." - Theodore Roosevelt

12-01-2010, 01:56 PM	#31
SpeterMan3 ^SpeterMan3 Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: DubC Posts: 2,367	Re: Michael Jackson: 1958-2009 Basically, yeah. I was -10 then, but I've seen enough to basically see it as the concert that was sort of a "goodbye Jacksons, hello (again) Michael" sort of deal. Not that that was the point of it, but that's how it worked out. There's a reason for Michael being able to basically repeat it for the first leg of the Bad tour. __________________ SpeterMan3 For all the SSM fans... A Member of Raimi's "Spider-Man Trilogy" Fans MJJ

12-02-2010, 07:27 PM	#34
The Sage Beyond death's stroke... SHH! Global Moderator Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: In the Sage's lair Posts: 40,541	Re: Michael Jackson: 1958-2009 First time hearing this, MJ's Blue Gangsta: http://www.411mania.com/music/news/164556 __________________ "Far better it is to dare mighty things, to win glorious triumphs, even though checkered by failure, than to rank with those poor spirits who neither enjoy much nor suffer much, because they live in that grey twilight that knows neither victory nor defeat." - Theodore Roosevelt

12-02-2010, 07:51 PM	#35
ALP In The Mountains Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 5,011	Re: Michael Jackson: 1958-2009 The J5 does not even exist without MJ. And not a single one of the other brothers were able to have a successful solo career. One of them was recently working at a furniture store... __________________ The light that burns twice as bright burns half as long. "We want to see the newest things. That is because we want to see the future, even if only momentarily. It is the moment in which, even if we don't completely understand what we have glimpsed, we are nonetheless touched by it. This is what we have come to call art." -Takashi Murakami God has a name...and it is CHRISTOPHER NOLAN

12-03-2010, 02:57 PM	#36
DCnightwing23 Side-Kick Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 1,689	Re: Michael Jackson: 1958-2009 Michael Jackson's new song "Blue Gangsta" http://www.desihits.com/news/view/mi...ngsta-20101202 2010's Smooth Criminal?? Possibly, its a very good song. Im guessing this is the true finished song that was leaked awhile back called gangsta, only this is all MJ and its brilliant __________________ Nightwing: "Things Change"

12-04-2010, 08:55 PM	#38
SpeterMan3 ^SpeterMan3 Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: DubC Posts: 2,367	Re: Michael Jackson: 1958-2009 I was going to say that, but I wouln't exactly call it a career. On another note... VIDEO-CLick to Watch!: __________________ SpeterMan3 For all the SSM fans... A Member of Raimi's "Spider-Man Trilogy" Fans MJJ

12-04-2010, 09:12 PM	#39
ALP In The Mountains Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 5,011	Re: Michael Jackson: 1958-2009 Jermaine Jackson license suspended for not paying child support. He owes over $90,000. http://news.gather.com/viewArticle.a...81474978755664 He said he makes less than $2k a month __________________ The light that burns twice as bright burns half as long. "We want to see the newest things. That is because we want to see the future, even if only momentarily. It is the moment in which, even if we don't completely understand what we have glimpsed, we are nonetheless touched by it. This is what we have come to call art." -Takashi Murakami God has a name...and it is CHRISTOPHER NOLAN

12-05-2010, 01:49 AM	#40
DCnightwing23 Side-Kick Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 1,689	Re: Michael Jackson: 1958-2009 In the teaser for Hold My Hand at the 14 seconds mark if you pause it or look close enough you can see MJ's silhouette on the doors that are opening.. it instantly gives me chills whenever i see that part.. wow epic music video thats all i can say __________________ Nightwing: "Things Change"

12-05-2010, 12:43 PM	#42
ALP In The Mountains Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 5,011	Re: Michael Jackson: 1958-2009 Hold My Hand isn't new at all. I heard it when it leaked over two years ago BG is pretty darn cool btw. __________________ The light that burns twice as bright burns half as long. "We want to see the newest things. That is because we want to see the future, even if only momentarily. It is the moment in which, even if we don't completely understand what we have glimpsed, we are nonetheless touched by it. This is what we have come to call art." -Takashi Murakami God has a name...and it is CHRISTOPHER NOLAN

12-05-2010, 01:16 PM	#43
DCnightwing23 Side-Kick Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 1,689	Re: Michael Jackson: 1958-2009 Well the leaked Hold My Hand wasnt the finished version, so this version is new and is the better of the two. Blue Gangsta is one bad a song __________________ Nightwing: "Things Change"**

12-06-2010, 10:58 AM	#46
Chris Wallace LET'S DO A HEADCOUNT... Join Date: Jul 2001 Posts: 35,580	Re: Michael Jackson: 1958-2009 I don't see how you can get "ungrateful" from me stating an observation. What the hell am I supposed to be appreciating? Did Jermaine write the songs that put Michael on top? Did Jermaine produce the albums, or help him in ANY way after everyone else left Motown, or did he stay where he was & do his own thing, only to be totally eclipsed by his younger brother? MICHAEL put in the work, MICHAEL had the drive, MICHAEL had the talent-the rest had nothing to do with him reaching the heights that he did and even if they deserved credit for him getting started, the vast majority of what he accomplished was done WITHOUT them. They're not in the Guinness Book-he is. They didn't receive multiple Grammies off one album-he did. I have demonstrated time and again that he owed them nothing and I owe them even less. Or to put it another way-"What have you done for me LATELY?" __________________ Michael Joseph Jackson 1958-2009. Gone Too Soon. May he finally find the peace that eluded him in life. TOP COMIC BOOK MOVIES 1. AVENGERS 2. CAPTAIN AMERICA 3. THOR 4. SPIDER-MAN 2 5. INCREDIBLE HULK 6. IRON MAN 7. SPIDER-MAN 8. X2 9. V FOR VENDETTA 10. X-MEN FIRST CLASS

12-06-2010, 03:09 PM	#48
ALP In The Mountains Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 5,011	Re: Michael Jackson: 1958-2009 New from hot toys __________________ The light that burns twice as bright burns half as long. "We want to see the newest things. That is because we want to see the future, even if only momentarily. It is the moment in which, even if we don't completely understand what we have glimpsed, we are nonetheless touched by it. This is what we have come to call art." -Takashi Murakami God has a name...and it is CHRISTOPHER NOLAN

12-06-2010, 03:12 PM	#49
SpeterMan3 ^SpeterMan3 Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: DubC Posts: 2,367	Re: Michael Jackson: 1958-2009 Wow. __________________ SpeterMan3 For all the SSM fans... A Member of Raimi's "Spider-Man Trilogy" Fans MJJ

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