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Old 11-30-2010, 09:39 PM   #26
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The J5 would have been nowhere near as popular without Michael. Do you think they would have been picked up by Motown if not for his amazing performance at age 6? he was always the most talented of the family. The Jacksons wouldn't be icons without Michael. They maybe would have been picked up by a lesser label and eventually even fizzled out. As a whole and individually they were great and my favorite group of all time, but the greatest contributor to their popularity was Michael's golden voice and charismatic nature. It was great when Jermaine started to sing more lead again, but Michael was the one. Period.
See, this what I mean by people singling out the family for Michael!

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The Jackson 5 was good, but Michael was clearly the star.

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Old 11-30-2010, 10:20 PM   #28
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The Jackson 5 was good, but Michael was clearly the star.

You need to watch more J5 footage.

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You need to watch more J5 footage.
You could watch all the J5 footage you want. Jermaine, Tito, Jackie, and Marlon were all very talented but Michael stood out. He had something more. MJ's brothers were good as a the JACKSON 5. But solo? Not so much. I wasn't around when J5 first came up, but talking to older generations about it, not knowing what was to become of lil Michael, they still said he had something more. A certain spark. Hell, people back then who worked with J5 even said that.

They were introduced (wrongly) as Michael Jackson and the Jackson 5. He stood out. That's why the rest of the brothers can't even do a concert reunion. Because without Michael, what's the point?

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Heck in some ways, the Victory tour was probably an unofficial "Thriller" tour. I was a toddler when it occurred but reading articles and judging from the song list, that's what it looks like it was.

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Old 12-01-2010, 01:56 PM   #31
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Basically, yeah. I was -10 then, but I've seen enough to basically see it as the concert that was sort of a "goodbye Jacksons, hello (again) Michael" sort of deal. Not that that was the point of it, but that's how it worked out. There's a reason for Michael being able to basically repeat it for the first leg of the Bad tour.

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The Jackson 5 was good, but Michael was clearly the star.
From day one.

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Heck in some ways, the Victory tour was probably an unofficial "Thriller" tour. I was a toddler when it occurred but reading articles and judging from the song list, that's what it looks like it was.
As I remember, the "Victory" album flopped. At the height of Michael's popularity, the Jacksons' album couldn't sell. And one of the most common complaints was that it didn't have enough of Michael. Because Tito on lead vocal is just not a very strong selling point. Ever. "2300" didn't exactly set the world on fire, either. Did anybody buy that album? Did anyone care about it beyond the title track? I also remember Bob Sirott (sp?) doing a TV special on the Jacksons, & in one segment he shopped around headshots of the other Jackson brothers to people on the street, and not one person could identify them. If JabarR is right & we're wrong-if Michael truly owes his success to his brothers and not the other way around, then why did he leave them in the dust? Why aren't they the big superstars that he was? Where's Jermaine's record-breaking album? Where's Marlon's? Why aren't all these up-and-coming stars citing Jackie & Tito as an influence? Why did Michael have 10 times more success as a solo artist than with the group? Why did only he & Janet rise to prominence? Why do so many people confuse his Randy with the "American Idol" judge? Hell, let's rewind to the days of "Got To Be There" & "Ben". Let's go back further to when Diana Ross announced them as "Michael Jackson & the Jackson 5." It seems pretty obvious to me who Motown was banking on to be the breakout star. And Berry Gordy is a pretty good judge of these things.

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First time hearing this, MJ's Blue Gangsta: http://www.411mania.com/music/news/164556

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The J5 does not even exist without MJ. And not a single one of the other brothers were able to have a successful solo career. One of them was recently working at a furniture store...

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Michael Jackson's new song "Blue Gangsta"

http://www.desihits.com/news/view/mi...ngsta-20101202

2010's Smooth Criminal?? Possibly, its a very good song. Im guessing this is the true finished song that was leaked awhile back called gangsta, only this is all MJ and its brilliant

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Old 12-03-2010, 11:18 PM   #37
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The J5 does not even exist without MJ. And not a single one of the other brothers were able to have a successful solo career.
Jermaine had one! It was brief, true, but he did have one.

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I was going to say that, but I wouln't exactly call it a career.

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Jermaine Jackson license suspended for not paying child support. He owes over $90,000.

http://news.gather.com/viewArticle.a...81474978755664

He said he makes less than $2k a month

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In the teaser for Hold My Hand at the 14 seconds mark if you pause it or look close enough you can see MJ's silhouette on the doors that are opening.. it instantly gives me chills whenever i see that part.. wow epic music video thats all i can say

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Michael Jackson's new song "Blue Gangsta"

http://www.desihits.com/news/view/mi...ngsta-20101202

2010's Smooth Criminal?? Possibly, its a very good song. Im guessing this is the true finished song that was leaked awhile back called gangsta, only this is all MJ and its brilliant
Fantastic track, shame it's not on the 'Michael' album.

Has anyone heard 'Do You Know Where Your Children Are'? it's a brilliant song, classic MJ, kinda sounds like it was from the Dangerous period but the guitar has a hint of 'Beat it'.

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I can see this being Christmas #1.

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Hold My Hand isn't new at all. I heard it when it leaked over two years ago

BG is pretty darn cool btw.

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Well the leaked Hold My Hand wasnt the finished version, so this version is new and is the better of the two. Blue Gangsta is one bad a** song

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Jermaine Jackson license suspended for not paying child support. He owes over $90,000.

http://news.gather.com/viewArticle.a...81474978755664

He said he makes less than $2k a month
I think that says it all. And his solo star was vaporized when Michael's took off.

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I think that says it all. And his solo star was vaporized when Michael's took off.

I said it before and I'll say it again, you are so ungrateful!

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I don't see how you can get "ungrateful" from me stating an observation. What the hell am I supposed to be appreciating? Did Jermaine write the songs that put Michael on top? Did Jermaine produce the albums, or help him in ANY way after everyone else left Motown, or did he stay where he was & do his own thing, only to be totally eclipsed by his younger brother? MICHAEL put in the work, MICHAEL had the drive, MICHAEL had the talent-the rest had nothing to do with him reaching the heights that he did and even if they deserved credit for him getting started, the vast majority of what he accomplished was done WITHOUT them. They're not in the Guinness Book-he is. They didn't receive multiple Grammies off one album-he did. I have demonstrated time and again that he owed them nothing and I owe them even less. Or to put it another way-"What have you done for me LATELY?"

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First clip was Michael backing up Jermaine. Not Jermaine contributing to any of Michael's #1 hits. The other two have nothing to do with Michael & therefore in no way support your argument. The answer to both of my questions is NO. Not only did Jermaine not support mIchael's solo career in any way, he even went on to put out a song that trashed him.

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