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Except that Superman III and IV need to be forgotten just like Origins and X3 need to be forgotten.
This is Singer and Vaughn trying to revive the franchise, give them a chance. Wolverine barely made it's budget back domestic. It was a bomb. Without it's foreign take then we wouldn't even be seeing another Jackman movie. They barely scrapped a profit from that flick and Aronofsky is trying to save the franchise as well.
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Wolverine was so bad, the next Wolverine movie isn't even a sequel .. it's a stand alone film. LOL
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"You can leave a penny, you can't take a penny. You can leave a penny anytime. You have to spend $10 to take a penny. Store policy." "Since when has this been store policy?" "Uh, since my boss made up the policy. You gonna pay? You're holding up my line of one other person. You can't afford your milk, step aside. What, daddy didn't give you enough milk money? Little baby gonna cry about it? Just step aside." And that is how Uncle Ben dies. Last edited by chaseter; 02-13-2011 at 06:47 PM. |
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Wolverine was so bad, the next Wolverine movie isn't even a sequel .. it's a stand alone film. LOL
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I personally don't have problems with the whole Havok and Moira things, but I'm sure they can be easily fixed just by saying that Alex Summers is Alex and Scott's father, and that Moira had a daughter named Moira, it's pretty common to name a child after their respective father or mother, so there you have it.
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It's not favouritism, it's just Superman III and IV were just plain bad films. So is X3 and Origins Wolverine.
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the films are just another "alternate universe," another off shoot of the main, canon universe, 616. It's no different than the Ultimate Universe or the Marvel 2099 Universe. Just new interpretations and versions of familiar characters.
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A sequel is a piece of work made after an already existing piece of work as well as taking place after said piece of work chronologically. A sequel does not need any of the original characters from the original, it can have an all new cast as well as being set in any time period post the original. All that is required of a sequel is that it takes place some time after the original film, while being set in the same universe as the original. "The Wolverine" fits the definition of a sequel. It is set in Japan, and one of the endings of Wolverine had Logan drinking at a bar in Japan. HOWEVER You are right it is stand alone, so people don't have to see X-men origins Wolverine, to understand the film. It is also a "loose" sequel. So most likely Logan would be the only one of the cast of Wolverine to return. |
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Is there a thread on how YOU would have done the X-Men movies? I'd rather talk about what I would like to see than complain about the current ones.
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Doesn't matter. on the Internet everyone thinks they're a writer/director/producer and loves to tell you how much more that they do know.
I think this movie is as much a do-over as a prequel. to the original film.
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^ as fans and members of the audience, we are entitled to our high-nosed condescension. It's what those who get paid call criticism, and those who don't call *****ing.
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Oh and, it's not a do-over guys. It's a prequel, a spin-off, another shot at an X-Men movie to make money. Personally, I prefer this approach to what Sony's doing with Spider-Man.
This way, at least the filmmakers are haunted by their mistakes well within the context of the story. Bwahahahha |
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I don't think ANY film, other than those that are directly retold panel-by-panel, ought to be compared to continuity from comics that have been published for decades in monthly formats. It's unfair to everyone involved. These are adaptations. Adapt!
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Even looking at the films as there own universe the continuity is still f*****. Its a pain to make sense cause of all these prequels trying to fit in with the other films. Shouldve been a full reboot but... just give me a good movie at this point. I think it was a good decision to say The Wolverine will be a one shot and hold no ties. Hopefully First Class doesnt spend much time trying to connect it with past films.
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Wouldn't hurt if a character from First Class ended up cameoing in Wolverine.
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So far, all the X-men films have been set in the same universe. |
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True, but Daronofsky has leeway to make pretty much whatever movie he wants. He's not beholden to any current continuity. With his track record thats exactly what they should have done too. This is one of the first GREAT decisions I think Fox has made with the franchise in a long time.
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Moira in this film has a daughter also called Moira who also knows Xavier as if they've been close friends for years. The original Moira somehow disappears from the film universe without any explanation. What is the point of all this? ![]() Last edited by huzzah; 02-15-2011 at 02:11 AM. |
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There's been no documented proof that Xavier gets crippled in this film... first class takes place from the 1940s to mid/late 1960s. A sequel could easily take place from the 1970s through the first X-men film (even referencing the 1980s when Xavier finds Scott and Jean. (look at the x-men first class films as the star wars prequels) where Xavier gets crippled and Magneto and Xavier become enemies. Quote:
Emma was never "frost" so just pass it off as an odd coincidence. Just like a non furry beast in X1s cameo and as i said before... unless Xavier really does get crippled in FC, then we can assume he gets crippled sometime in the 80s or 90s Quote:
As of right now... everything but a few "hiccups" that are pretty passable, are still in continuity. so to recap... the only "real" issues so far in this film universe is the following... -Moira in X3 -Emma in Wolverine -X2's wolverine flashbacks vs Wolverine's -Wolverines Sabretooth vs X1's (so far we don't have the most likely "feral" explanation given) -X1's hairless beast cameo That's it so far....
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Moira can be the Moira's daughter in X3, why? because Moira is not inroduced as an old close friend in the film, she has one scene, or two if you consider her last "Charles" thing in the end a scene, for all we know they barely have seen each other, and even if they were introduced as old friends, they very well could be cause Moira's daughter is well in her 30's. As for Havok, first of all in X-Men film continuity Azazel and Nightcrawler have the same powers, why can't Alex Summers and one of his sons have the same powers? and for the record his powers are not even the same because he's basically shooting Cyclops's blasts from his chest, his son's powers then are a little different (and again I'm making all of this up, I don't know if there are going to be sons and daughters with the same names, I'm just doing the continuity dance), and the other thing is we don't know if they're going to use callnames anyway, maybe Alex will just be known as Alex, and his son can be called Havok and be the only one named Havok, or maybe his son will use his father's name to honor him or make fun of him. OK, that's my answer. |
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i suspect if we get a FC sequel, we will eventually get a X-team consisting of (Cyclops, Jean, Storm, Beast, and possibly Banshee or Havok (either banshee will leave with moira, or havok will sorta go "bad", and Jason stryker (who may leave, or switch teams)) while Magneto get's his Brotherhood with (Mystique, Toad, Angel S, and possibly any of these (Havok, Emma Frost, Blob , Sabretooth, Avalanche (could be very likely since he's yet to be in a film), Jason, Scarlet Witch and Quicksilver (if they have the rights), Destiny, or Beak) |
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The Wolverine, i guarantee.... will be the same way. they'd especially have to keeping Hugh in the role, and not retelling his origin. |
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