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Old 02-10-2011, 09:16 PM   #101
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Pfft, puss ass Inhuman douche.

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Old 02-10-2011, 10:36 PM   #102
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I think I might take a look at the new series. So is Spider-Man be on the team as well as his own series? Will he ware the white costume in his solo books?

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Pfft, puss ass Inhuman douche.
Well, let's not throw insults at the jheri-curled one by acknowledging that Bendis drek either. The Beyonder had his appeal. But Doom he ain't.

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Old 02-10-2011, 11:11 PM   #104
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Beyonder should get revenge on Doom by trapping him in an endless loop involving his mom.

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Yeah i feel like its not that hard to make a new threats. You just have to make them incredibly formidable and not pushovers. Like when JMS introduced Morlun in his AMAZING SPIDERMAN. Now THAT is how you introduce a new villain. You've just got to make them scary and badass. Then again, Millar tried to do that when he introduced Doom's Master and that didnt really go over well, but i think that was more of an execution problem than the concept imo.
Morlun was powerful but simplistic, a basic vampire type. I recall most at the time not caring for him. You need to make them scary and bad ass but also with something of a personality.

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Perhaps. Some of the Marcos Martin drawn issues were solicited with covers that bore Spidey wearing something 4-ish.

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Old 02-11-2011, 11:48 AM   #106
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ok, time for the stupid question of the day, i have lost track of all the stories, but do the fantantic four/three know spidermans identity?

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Old 02-11-2011, 02:55 PM   #108
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Like I said on another forum, Black Panther would make more sense being involved with this than being Substitute Daredevil Man.

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But then who would look after Hell's Kitchen? Clearly, it's a job that only an African monarch or a blind lawyer can handle.

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Springing from Fantastic Four- Marvel plans to kill a major character every quarter! Excelsior!

I don't mind death being a organic part of the story but this is just ridiculous. I can't wait to see people's thoughts about this. **** meet fan.

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I don't really care. Marvel and DC both do very blatant, obviously idiotic things all the time. Just find yourself some decent stories amidst all of that and enjoy.

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Old 02-11-2011, 06:37 PM   #112
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Wow so the "death of spiderman" story is going to have marvel's "biggest media exposure ever"? I somehow doubt that, the mainstream media isn't going to care about ultimate spiderman....but with that said damn maybe they are gonna kill ult. Spidey....

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Not surprising by any means, but to just throw it out there like there seems really odd. I guess it's just a 'well, you're all thinking it anyway, might as well say it ourselves', but that's really exposing yourself to the woman with the steel tipped boots.

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Springing from Fantastic Four- Marvel plans to kill a major character every quarter! Excelsior!

I don't mind death being a organic part of the story but this is just ridiculous. I can't wait to see people's thoughts about this. **** meet fan.
As Bleeding Cool noted, this week actually had some other less publicized deaths.

The reason is obvious. While the Internet is trying to stem the panic of Jan. 2011's sales being about 22% LESS than they were a year ago, those in the actual business are clearly getting nervous. They'd assumed that when comic sales held pat in 2009 that they'd survived the worst. Obviously, that isn't true. 2010 was a down year and at least Q1 2011 is not looking as hot. So, what do DC and Marvel do? The only things the middle aged dinosaurs who run both companies and who probably haven't talked to a real, live customer or fan outside of a heavily structured convention or meet-and-greet in over a decade's time do - roll out the old tricks with extra strength. Bring on the crossovers, bring on the deaths, bring on the stunts. They've all been played out? That's too bad, because, to paraphrase an old song lyric, "Yes, they have no new ideas" (instead of "yes, we have no bananas").

The people who run Marvel and DC are a lot like MEGAMAN bosses. At first they seem like a challenge until you become aware of the pattern. Then, even a baby could figure out their next move. But they're stuck with that pattern. They can't adapt. It's stick to the pattern or die faster.

What else is David Gabriel to do? He's been shooting three times and then hopping across the screen for like 20 years. It's all he knows how to do. He can't do anything else. So of course he's just going to do more of it.

Joe Casey all but called out the big two in an interview a month or so back, feeling the old tricks have been overplayed and they won't work again, and that now is the time of new ideas like at the start of the century. The problem is they aren't coming. Those architects of 2000-2003 are now the immobile dinosaurs of 2011, endlessly repeating their 1-4 moves until they die, with no variation.

New ideas are risky? Yes. But when they're successful, they can breed success for years to come. Marvel's current success was founded upon the risks they took at the dawn of the Joe Q era. The choice is either risk something new or pump out the old tricks whose results have diminished.

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Yeah, not to go off topic or anything, but the January drop was pretty frightening. I was talking to my LCS guy about it, and there was some real dread about it (no pun intended). January is traditionally a low month, but a near 20,000 unit drop on the whole curve is a **** dive.

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Yeah, most websites tried to diminish the Jan. 2011 drop as noting it is typical of January's to be slow. The years of 1998, 2006, and 2009 had a January that saw a 20-25% sales drop and those years were terrible, great, and ho-hum for overall sales (respectively). The dilemma is that low sales may merely be the start of a perfect storm. A bad economy that is not only taking retailers out of business, but taking customer spending power away as well. Fewer people have jobs, and those with jobs have less money to spare on increasingly expensive comics. New fans just are not coming. There are no new readers for print comics, and while rational digital sales are in their infancy, they're not the be-all of sales - most companies with decent digital distribution, like ARCHIE COMICS, claim at best it makes up 1% of their income. Mix that together and there could be the inner industry worry that 2011 won't be a typical recession year, but could really be a nail in the coffin if **** doesn't get better quickly.

The choice is either roll out the old bag of tricks one more time, in rapid fire, and hope that works again, or risk it all on a new idea or so. The risk is a risk; it's sink or swim. But the old tricks, well...they may work for a month, or a few months, with a minor boost, but then it is back to the old problems.

This is an economy where even NEW AVENGERS, Bendis' long running best seller for Marvel, can't even push past 70k. If the only way a comic can break 95k is via a media conference with newspapers and a death bag, things will get worse before they get better. And while the big two didn't cause the overall economic mess, their over indulgence of stunts, deaths, crossovers, etc. until everyone is weary and whatnot and they don't work as well for as long IS all their fault. Every bubble bursts. The question is if they can make another, and if it is even possible for it to be made.

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I don't really care. Marvel and DC both do very blatant, obviously idiotic things all the time. Just find yourself some decent stories amidst all of that and enjoy.
"Major" characters by and large tend to be the characters I hate or just don't give a **** about so I'm actually kind of on-board with this.

Of course by "Major" I'm sure what they actually mean is "they sort-of pass for major f you look at them sideways but we're not killing anyone that would actually risk sales or that any of our big-name writers considers his precious darling."

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Nah, they know they can't overuse it that blatantly. Even the most passive, carefree, love-everything comic fan would eventually object if you've got major characters dying every month.
Well.....so much for that huh corp? lol

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Haha, I forgot I even said that. My cynicism failed me that time, it seems. Apparently, Marvel can be even more blatantly uncreative than I thought.

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Haha, I forgot I even said that. My cynicism failed me that time, it seems. Apparently, Marvel can be even more blatantly uncreative than I thought.
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Its just weird that they would just come out and say something like that. I mean the guy literally said "Since Johnny storm's death worked so well, WE'RE GOING TO KILL MORE PEOPLE SO U SUCKERS CAN BUY THOSE TOO!", he literally just said it. And then he has the audacity to say its not about the death but the story afterwards....good lord man.

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Its just weird that they would just come out and say something like that. I mean the guy literally said "Since Johnny storm's death worked so well, WE'RE GOING TO KILL MORE PEOPLE SO U SUCKERS CAN BUY THOSE TOO!", he literally just said it. And then he has the audacity to say its not about the death but the story afterwards....good lord man.
The general gist of the Joe Q era, which lingers afterward, is to obnoxiously admit all the things that a business does but tries to play off as not being obnoxious stunts meant to manipulate customers, then whine when customers feel appalled upon being manipulated and don't follow suit as planned.

It's as if a manager went on TV and said, "our wholesale cost is only a dime, but we charge 2 dollars per because those morons really don't notice or care," and then being stunned when sales fell.

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I think it was Mark Millar (surprisingly enough) who actually said in one interview that comics come in 10 year cycles of quality. They're good for a decade then they suck. The 60's were booming, the 70's not so much, the 80's were a renaissance, then the 90's...really not so much, then the 00's just saw another creative renaissance and now we're dangerously approaching another bubble pop. It will be interesting to see if Marvel and DC can break the cycle this time.

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That's all a matter of opinion. There were plenty of good and iconic stories in the 1970's - "THE DEATH OF GWEN STACY" alone changed comics forever, and look how many times the X-Men have gotten ore from that original Phoenix saga. Think of characters made during that time who are still around and even getting films, such as Wolverine, Ghost Rider, Iron Fist, the "giant size" X-Men everyone knows like Storm, Nightcrawler, and Colossus, the Punisher, and so on. I think every decade, just like every year, has always had a mixture of output that was either great, mediocre, or rubbish, and it is a matter of finding which is which.

Hell, you will be hard pressed to find too many successful Marvel and/or DC characters who were created AFTER the 1970's ended - especially after the Silver Age ended in the mid 80's.

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Hell, you will be hard pressed to find too many successful Marvel and/or DC characters who were created AFTER the 1970's ended - especially after the Silver Age ended in the mid 80's.
What's the current age of comics called anyways?

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