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John Williams 4 23.53%
Howard Shore 2 11.76%
Harry Gregson-Williams 1 5.88%
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Old 02-14-2011, 09:04 PM   #101
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you are 100% correct.

there is no chance of anyone making a theme that is anywhere near as good as John William's Superman Theme. You cannot top perfection like Superman, Star Wars, Indiana Jones, ET etc.

So WB should do the right thing and make the main William's theme as the mandatory requirement for any future Superman movie. They might disregard the rest of William's score, but the main theme should stay.

As for Michael Giachino, he is way overrated. His 2009 Star Trek score was ok, but it was nothing special. Cliff Eidelman's score for Star Trek 6 The Undiscovered Country wipes the floor with anything Giachinno has ever done or ever will do in his entire life.

Cliff Eidelman created a stunning masterpiece of music in 1991 (at the age of 26!!) which ranks up there alongside Jerry Goldsmith's and James Horner's Trek Scores. Its mind boggling how good it is and it is quite astonishing how Eidelman never made another Trek score, he is that good.

If anyone deserves to score a big budget superhero movie, its Cliff Eidelman.

People today have ****** standards.

Don't accept anything less than perfection.

That's why Zimmer himself admits he can't come up with a theme to match William's masterpiece. Zimmer would have to throw his keyboard away and learn to write music if he wanted to compare himself to John Williams.

Hell, even Daft Punk are probably better keyboard players than Hans Zimmer. Zimmer is a keyboard player who was somehow elevated to exalted status without really earning it. Most of his scores are generic and simple. Other composers have been overlooked for far too long.

Anyway, I look forward to the inevitable Tyler Bates score. Having said that though, Tyler Bates did score the Halloween reboots, and was ordered to reuse the Carpenter main theme, so maybe he might be ordered to do the same again.

It depends on whether Zack Snyder actually has the decency and taste to use an iconic theme that cannot be bettered.
Wow. I agree with this so much I almost thought I typed it. Cliff is the man. He's another greatly underrated composer (another of who I feel is Elliot Goldenthal). There are great composers out there but it seems like Hollywood is perfectly fine recycling the same guys who recycle the same feel over and over again. Get someone with a fresh take that will bring something unique and catchy to the table if they're not going to re-use the Williams themes.

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Making a masters degree at Mozarteum University in Salzburg myself... and stricly from another musician's point of view... Beethoven's 9th wasn't rewritten, and you're right there. But Brahms wrote 4 symphonies too, Mahler wrote also another 9 (and a fragment of a 10th), Shostakovich another 15... and they go well beyond what Beethoven could ever imagine when his 9th symphony was premiered. I don't believe in conformism in music. We've gone in barely three centuries from Bach to the serialism of people like Boulez and the polytonality of Ligeti. Music should never stop at a landmark and should be ready to evolve just 5 minutes after the premiere. Zimmer saying what he said is a bit unfortunate in a way, because Williams' theme as classic as it is is just a landmark that's waiting to be surpassed. If nobody tries, it will never happen. Just like if nobody had written orchestral after Beethoven we would have never had Mahler or Shostakovich's marvelous music... To each his own and I respect that. But I find it would be wasting the talents of a composer to merely do a transcription of Williams. It's like if all symphonies of the last 150 years would've been Beethoven's 9th's theme just with slight variations. Waste of potential, don't you think? In fact I'll add.. you mess more with a classic by doing a variation of it rather than when you do your own thing that is completely new...
oddly enough in my music class last semester my composer report was on Brahms

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Old 02-14-2011, 09:50 PM   #103
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oddly enough in my music class last semester my composer report was on Brahms
I did my bachelor thesis last november on his 1st Piano Concerto...

Bit off-topic... Brahms is all-round my absolute favorite. His music is simply PERFECT from opus 1 until the end... just everything. Unfortunately that came with the price of him discarding and throwing to the trash most of his real output. The 100-plus opus we got are actually just the tip of the iceberg...

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I did my bachelor thesis last november on his 1st Piano Concerto...

Bit off-topic... Brahms is all-round my absolute favorite. His music is simply PERFECT from opus 1 until the end... just everything. Unfortunately that came with the price of him discarding and throwing to the trash most of his real output. The 100-plus opus we got are actually just the tip of the iceberg...
yeah that was pretty bad...he was great!

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basically everything great about the previous franchise was one film...Superman 1.
Which was directed by Donner. All good things about the franchise was done by Dopnner, isn't that what I had just said?

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the rest weren't that great.
Well to many SII was considered even better than STM. I don't think so but then again it was still good.

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So you say that when one person does a good job, a different director can't screw it up in the sequels? Really? You really think that is an impossibility? Schumacher anyone?

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There's no reason why a contemporary composer can't make a theme that's better than the John Williams Superman theme. People need to let go of their nostalgia.

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Which was directed by Donner. All good things about the franchise was done by Dopnner, isn't that what I had just said?



Well to many SII was considered even better than STM. I don't think so but then again it was still good.



So you say that when one person does a good job, a different director can't screw it up in the sequels? Really? You really think that is an impossibility? Schumacher anyone?
Schumacher didn't follow the tone set by Burton...you missed my whole point. If Lester had done what Donner had done the other movies wouldn't have been trash. If Donner hadn't have been fire the other movies wouldn't have been trash...

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never...Williams forever

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Schumacher didn't follow the tone set by Burton...you missed my whole point. If Lester had done what Donner had done the other movies wouldn't have been trash. If Donner hadn't have been fire the other movies wouldn't have been trash...
Well even when Donner was in the director's chair there were problems with camp (Otis, Eve, overall characterizations of Lex, Lois & Clark) and questionable storytelling (time travel plot hole). Snyder & Nolan have over 30 years of hindsight to work with and build a better series.

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I don't think anyone can top that..to me that is just as connected with Superman as the Bond theme is with Bond and Star Wars. If they rebooted the Star Wars franchise and started over from scratch, would you want them to write a new theme for that franchise??? HELL NO!!!

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Seriously? The Williams theme isn't all that perfect. I don't even like it (Throw your hissy fit if you want it's my opinion). Saying that it can't be topped is utterly rediculous and just shows that some people are afraid to come out of the shell of Donner's shadow... The theme has to go along with the flow of the movie. I don't want the Williams theme to be used all because its "iconic" or "memorable". I want a composer who has the balls to challenge the Williams theme and not be afraid to do what is necessary to make a great Superman movie and not a "Donner's Superman" movie. You can't just make something fit where it doesnt. If you love Donner's Superman so much, just continue to watch that. If you love SUPERMAN, then you would want the BEST for him in this movie; a theme that suit him best for this movie.

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I agree...and William's theme fits Superman great for crying out loud. It says SUPERMAN in it! If you can't hear it screaming SUPERMAN you need your ears checked...It can't fit any better

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Sure, the Williams theme fits Superman in Donner's movie. However, I can't agree with anyone who believes that the theme completely fits Superman. For example, the Timburg theme was a great fit for Superman in the Fleischer cartoons. The music from those cartoons are better in my opinion.

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The Timburg them was great, but it doesn't speak to me as much as Williams' theme does. All the other themese they used for Superman shows and games have failed to excite me like Williams' theme does...his theme should be mandatory as someone said before. If WB doesn't see that they are idiots

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I feel like the kid who's been falling asleep in class and missed the lesson, but Hans Zimmer is attached to the project, right? I can't stand Tyler Bates. He sucks at creating memorable melodies and chord progressions. His scores never leave an impression at all. Watchmen's score had the same problem the movie did, which was that it lacked its own collective identity. And his 300 score had moments of blatant (and eventually admitted) plagiarism.

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I don't...some things just shouldn't be tampered with...and I'll believe that until the day I die and then some

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Batman got a new theme.
Spider-Man will get one.
Superman is getting one.
The X-Men has got about 500 new themes.

It's happening.

Oh, and you obviously have not seen ferris bueller

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Batman got a new theme.
Spider-Man will get one.
Superman is getting one.
The X-Men has got about 500 new themes.

It's happening.

Oh, and you obviously have not seen ferris bueller
I've seen Ferris Bueller...

Bond kept his theme
Halloween kept it's theme
Star Trek kept it's theme albeit at the end of the movie

So let me ask you this: If they decided to reboot Indiana Jones or the Star Wars franchises with all new actors, would you say they need new themes as well? I would say no, because EVERYONE associates those themes with those movies! If you gave Star Wars a new theme and the movie started playing some new theme pops up people would like, "What is this $H!T???" Those themes go with those characters just as much as the Superman theme goes with Superman! I'm gonna laugh if he keeps his theme and all of you who are so certain he will get a new theme will be eating some crow...

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Bond kept his theme, but I consider each film a reboot unto itself.
Halloween did not get a reboot, because those two pieces of trash were not halloween.
Star Trek I did not see, nor do I care to (not a trekkie).

Oh, and yes, I would. If they reboot indy, give it a new theme. If they reboot star wars (LOL LIKE THAT'LL HAPPEN), I want new themes.

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well according to the studio those are Halloween whether you like it or not...and hell no to Indy getting a new them and Star Wars...that would be the dumbest thing anyone could ever do! And I wasn't a Trekkie until I saw JJ's Star Trek...it was really good

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