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Old 01-01-2011, 02:54 PM   #51
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West quickly agreed to back Afghan resistance in 1980: files



Western powers met in secret soon after the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan and formed plans to back Islamic resistance, according to British files from 1980 released Thursday. Senior officials from Britain, France, then West Germany and the United States met in Paris on January 15 that year to discuss the West's response to the December 24, 1979 invasion. US national security adviser Zbigniew Brzezinski was among those at the Paris meeting, as was Britain's cabinet secretary Robert Armstrong, the top civil servant. He said support for the mujahideen should be coordinated by "our friends" -- a euphemism for MI6, Britain's foreign intelligence agency, and its peers from the allies.

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Old 01-01-2011, 03:07 PM   #52
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That's not news....people have known that since it happened.


Don't let this stun you, but we also backed dictators in Central and South America...

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Old 01-01-2011, 03:21 PM   #53
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These are just newly declassified documents. I'm sure it was reported back in the 80s by reporters. You know, back when the press used to disclose this type of stuff and not shady Australians.

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Old 01-01-2011, 06:30 PM   #54
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I have no idea who reported it first, its just not big news now....we've had his problem since we fought next to the Soviet Union in WWII....then any leader that said they were against communism, we were on their side.....no matter how corrupt they were. Just not new news...

Hell, people knew it when the bullets being shot at us by the Taliban were actually our own....kinda meh at this point.

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Old 01-01-2011, 09:19 PM   #55
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Well my understanding of the funding of the Soviet-Afghan war was that it was entirely the CIA's business, with the public face of Charlie Wilson and two presidents, Jimmy Carter and Ronald Reagan. I honestly didn't know that the Allied nations in Europe (France, West Germany, and the British) were also involved in coordinating the resistance.

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Old 01-02-2011, 06:59 AM   #56
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Well my understanding of the funding of the Soviet-Afghan war was that it was entirely the CIA's business, with the public face of Charlie Wilson and two presidents, Jimmy Carter and Ronald Reagan. I honestly didn't know that the Allied nations in Europe (France, West Germany, and the British) were also involved in coordinating the resistance.
It was a lot of countries. US, much of NATO, much of the Arab world, Pakistan...

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It was a lot of countries. US, much of NATO, much of the Arab world, Pakistan...
How much operational support did NATO give? From what I've read, the CIA had their agents setup supply lines spanning from Eastern Europe to China in sending them Chinese made and Russian made weapons. Back then ofcourse, all of this was unofficial and covertly done.

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When it is a proxy war, it is very hard to know for sure who gave what, how much they gave, and who they gave it to.......hence it being called a proxy war.

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How much operational support did NATO give? From what I've read, the CIA had their agents setup supply lines spanning from Eastern Europe to China in sending them Chinese made and Russian made weapons. Back then ofcourse, all of this was unofficial and covertly done.
wait wut? Yeah, I forgot about mainland China's support of the Afghan forces but that bolded sentence doesn't make sense.

Most NATO support aside from the US/UK was financial plus training/logistical support. The amount of money being poured in from NATO and the Muslim world was huge.

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Senator proposes permanent US bases in Afghanistan



A leading GOP lawmaker on U.S. military policy says he wants American officials to consider establishing permanent military bases in Afghanistan. Obama has talked about an enduring presence in Afghanistan but not exactly what that would entail.

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And we yet again learned nothing from Vietnam.......good show.

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Permanent bases in Afghanistan!?!


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Old 02-15-2011, 10:58 PM   #63
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1,800 Children killed in War-related violence in Afghanistan



A United Nations study has raised concerns over the growing number of children killed in the war in the violence-wracked Afghanistan. Almost 1,800 children have been killed or injured in conflict-related violence from September 2008 to September 2010, the study found.

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... according to this article:

http://www.fareedzakaria.com/articles/articles.html

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Old 02-20-2011, 12:32 PM   #67
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40+ Civilians killed in 4 Days by NATO and ASF forces



The governor of Afghanistan's Kunar province said Sunday that 64 people, including some civilians, were killed in a joint operation by NATO's International Security Assistance Force and Afghan security forces over the past few days.

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Senator proposes permanent US bases in Afghanistan



A leading GOP lawmaker on U.S. military policy says he wants American officials to consider establishing permanent military bases in Afghanistan. Obama has talked about an enduring presence in Afghanistan but not exactly what that would entail.

Source: http://www.realclearpolitics.com/new...ghanistan.html
*cough* Roman Empire* cough As an American I have to wonder if any Americans in Washington D.C. know anything about Roman History. It collapsed under its own weight and corruption. We abolished Empires after WW2, and yet here we are putting our Military and people everywhere. We may not be controlling the regions out right that we are in, but we should not stay everywhere we send our troops. This is exactly what Rome tried to do, and it backfired horribly.

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I would like to think the world has learned from the mistakes of the Roman Empire.

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Old 02-23-2011, 04:37 PM   #70
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*cough* Roman Empire* cough As an American I have to wonder if any Americans in Washington D.C. know anything about Roman History. It collapsed under its own weight and corruption. We abolished Empires after WW2, and yet here we are putting our Military and people everywhere. We may not be controlling the regions out right that we are in, but we should not stay everywhere we send our troops. This is exactly what Rome tried to do, and it backfired horribly.
well we have already done that....Germany, Japan etc....also you cant compare what the US is doing to that of what the Roman Empire did....not even close.

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Permanent bases in Afghanistan!?!

You do realize that we have permanent bases already in SE Asia, right? Kuwait (Ali Al Salem AB), UAE, Qatar (Al Udeid AB). This really isn't a stretch of an idea. Bases in Kandahar, Bagram, and Lashkar Gah, AFG have solid, well built up bases. We in the military already saw this coming. Look at other conflicts the US has had in the past on other countries soil - we set up bases and never left (looking at Air Force bases):

- Germany
- Japan
- Korea
- Africa (HOA)
- Iraq
- Latin America

Just like they did with Al Udeid, tents will eventually be replaced with hard billets and these bases will become future fixtures of the military.

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Taliban getting Formal Office in Turkey

President Hamid Karzai’s security aide, Rangin Dadfar Spanta, welcomed the opening of a Taliban office in Turkey. Presence of a Taliban Office in Turkey would facilitate peace talks with anti-government armed groups, he has said. Dr Spanta has said Turkey is one of the trustable countries for the Afghan people.Meanwhile, some Afghan officials at a gathering in Kabul on Wednesday, said Turkey could play an important role in the Afghan peace process.The gathering was titled “Afghan-Turk friendship in the light of history” participated by Afghan and Turkish officials.

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Army apologizes after Der Spiegel publishes shocking photos of soldiers posing with corpses

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A group of U.S. soldiers who took pictures of themselves posing with an Afghan corpse were condemned by the military on Sunday after the photos were published by German news organization Der Spiegel.

Cpl. Jeremy Morlock, on trial for murdering civilians while on tour in Afghanistan, can be seen in one photo smiling as he lifts the head of a corpse by the hair.

In another, PFC Andrew Holmes, who served in the same unit as Morlock, poses with the same corpse. Holmes is also charged with killing Afghan civilians.

A third photo shows two dead men propped up against a pillar.

"Today Der Spiegel published photographs depicting actions repugnant to us as human beings and contrary to the standards and values of the United States Army," the Army said in a statement released by Col. Thomas Collins. "We apologize for the distress these photos cause."

The chilling photos are the latest in a gruesome case against Morlock, Holmes, and three other soldiers accused of the pre-meditated murders of three Afghan men in 2010. The publication of the photos comes as an embarrassment to the Army, which has known about the images for months but tried to keep them sealed.

Der Spiegel said the photos were seized from another member of the brigade who is not accused of murder. The photos were reportedly passed around the unit on digital storage devices.

Initially, the Army even prevented defense attorneys from seeing the gruesome photos in an attempt to keep them under wraps and avoid another scandal.

But descriptions from Morlock have been enough to horrify Afghans and American civilians.

In interviews with Army investigators, Morlock, a Wasilla, Alaska native, describes how he and his co-defendants gruesomely killed innocent civilians.

In one clip, he said he along with Staff Sgt. Calvin Gibbs and Holmes made an innocent man stand still while they killed him with a grenade.

His attorney later argued Morlock was under the influence of as many as 10 prescription drugs when he gave the statements, rendering his memory foggy.

Morlock signed a plea deal in late February, agreeing to testify against other indicted members of his brigade in exchange for no more than 24 years in prison. He agreed to plead guilty to three counts of murder, as well as charges of conspiring to commit murder, conspiring to assault a fellow soldier, trying to impede an investigation and using hashish.

His court martial is scheduled for Wednesday.

Prosecutors said Gibbs, who maintains the soldiers perceived a legitimate threat and did not commit murder, was the ringleader of the crew.
There are evil, sick, and twisted people everywhere. I'm disgusted by this, but am concerned as to why these men were able to carry out these crimes in the first place. Don't they have commanders that keep tabs on them? Or are they just running wild out there with their guns once they get to Afghanistan?

Also just so I'm clear about this: These four jackasses run around on a "Kill Team" collecting fingers, murdering people in cold blood with no regard for anything but their own sick need to kill....

But Bradley Manning is the one you've got locked up and tortured, and he's the guy everyone need to be worried about?


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Old 03-21-2011, 04:44 PM   #74
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Are we still in Afghanistan? That's so 2001.



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Are you kidding me! Soldiers posing with bodies again! WTF!

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