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At least he wasn't a terrorist, unlike the FALN terrorists Clinton inexplicably pardoned. ![]() As far as there nothing wrong with "selling America's history", I find it more than simply "disrespectful" when the proceeds from the Lincoln Bedroom did not go to the government, or the people, or charity - but the Democratic Party. Your response to Clinton's CRA increases is ridiculous. I never claimed Clinton had horrible MOTIVES when he acted, but motives are irrelevant when the consequences are so dire. Clinton's legislative action worked to play a huge role in the economic problems we have to day - we cannot ignore that because he was a great character on SNL. Again, the reality of the situation is if Clinton wasn't charming and charismatic he would be seen as one of the most disgusting figures in American history. He is Ulysses's Grant without the military record and class. |
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Clinton's actions regarding Monica Lewinsky demonstrated that he had NO REGARD for the well being of his mistresses and had no problem sacrificing them in order to save his own ass. |
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Please. Bill Clinton, as the President of the U.S., did not need to rape anyone in order to get his dick wet. C'mon now. It was "rape this one girl...or have consential sex with one of the other 1000".
Bill didnt rape anybody.
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Thats what I keep telling everybody about OJ!
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When there is smoke there is fire. Given Clinton's history, his treatment of the other women, the fact there is no evidence DISPROVING it and the similarities between Juanita Broddrich, Gennifer Flowers and Monica Lewinsky - it would be impossible to dismiss the charges completely.
This is a man who, as President, when being asked about Monica Lewinksy - a woman she had CONSENSUAL SEX WITH - he lied and said that she (Monica) STALKED HIM. Now let's think about this...a PRESIDENT accuses an individual of stalking. What happens to Presidential Stalkers? They get visited and have their lives turn around by the Secret Service. But Clinton didn't care about that. He cared about getting pussy and avoiding all the consequences of his actions. Again, a disgusting human being and a disgrace to the landscape of American politics. |
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Bill wasn't President. I'm going to ignore the fact that rapists don't work like that. They don't "rape this one girl" because they don't have other options to "get their dick wet".
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Or even as Governor. He never had to rape anyone, ever.
The women who had consensual sex with him and then come out claiming it was rape deserve whatever **** Clinton gives them. These chicks they think **** their way into his life; that Bill's gonna leave Hilldog for them or whatever, and when that does not happen, blackmail him the rape. He shoulsdnt have put himself in the situation in the first place, but its nothing that bad or uncommon.
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Don't even get me started on OJ.
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A lack of available pussy does not cause people to rape. Enjoying the power and control (you know...the sort of person that may have the ego to run for the highest position in the land) is what fuels them - not a lack of other options. |
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We do know that Clinton and Broaddrick was in Little Rock at the time of the alleged attack. We know that Clinton had no official plans the morning of the alleged rape. We know that a friend of Broaddrick's claimed she looked "distressed" after the alleged rape took place. We know that Clinton was aware of Broaddrick's existence and acknowledged her later. You combine that with his track record regarding Flowers, Jones, Lewinsky - and you have a lot of smoke. |
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As for Marc Rich, I have heard of the guy, and it's no exact surprise he got a pardon after helping Clinton so much. In all honesty, ALL presidents work this way. You make it sound like Clinton was some special case, where a big contributor somehow managed to corrupt an office never before known for any form of corruption or influence, and get out of it. Was it right of him? Probably not. Was his pardon bought? Maybe. Does it make Clinton the slime of hell? Definitely not. Honestly, he sold it to other members of the Democratic Party? A dastardly plan. One that goes right down the annals of history like cremating of the Jewish people, or killing droves of Native Americans. ![]() Even without his charming and charismatic persona, he'd still be regarded as someone who did well in office, given that really, he didn't cause or get much trouble aside from a few (mostly harmless and unproven) scandals. Quote:
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Damn, I just discovered another rape case. I was raped by the governor of New Mexico, because he had no official plans to be in Albuquerque, where I also was two weeks ago. It's an ironclad case. Because he searches out random as hell women, and rapes them, in places where he can be readily and easily identified. It's a proven fact, because he likes women, and might have affairs from time to time. What do you mean you want evidence? Connecting two dots does not equal any form of justifiable argument. But the real problem here is in two cases. The friend of the lady claimed she was distressed, and possibly so. A single person, a friend, nonetheless is hardly ironclad evidence for anything, as friends will regularly go to bat for other friends. This means her only real evidence to any of this, is a story she changed a few times, being in the same town as Clinton (which is literally the most basic of evidences), and a friend said she was distraught. Now, I'm no big city lawyer, but I wouldn't even take the case without a large cash advance. She wasn't even a credible enough person of interest against the President's character to bring her in at his impeachment. If the Republicans sure in the hell didn't think she had a case to make, good chance is, there isn't a good case to make. In relations to Clinton being a rapist? Let's look at the list you provided. Jones: Flaky case who's only witness said she wouldn't mind being Clinton's girlfriend, and waited nearly the full three years, just like a week short before the statute ran out to make her claim. Truly an open and shut case. Flowers: Someone who claimed to have made a willing, and long-lasting relationship with Clinton. This must prove Clinton is a rapist, if rape implies consentual sex. Lewinsky: Also consentual. The laundry list you provided only says there's smoke above women who will willingly have relations with Clinton. (Though Jones apparently turned him down.) This doesn't constitute an apparently character flaw to rape women. Seriously, you gotta stop with the, "Ready, Aim, I hate Bill Clinton for any alleged reason and am willing to believe even the faultiest of allegations, Fire!" It doesn't make a good debate, it sure in the hell doesn't make a good point, and it really doesn't add ANY credibility against Bill Clinton. In fact, the entire point of him cheating on his wife has absolutely nothing to do with him being President. All people have character flaws. I'm a horrible person myself, and am more than willing to grind down on my team if I don't think they're doing a great job. Does it make me a great person? No. Does that likewise mean I'm a horrible director? No. It means I'm a horrible person. But to go back to the point of his FALN pardons. Unwise? Sure. Controversial and confusing? Definitely. But he did say he wanted them to renounce violence. It could easily be seen as him trying to NOT give the rest of FALN a reason to continue their violence. A more forgiving America is an America which is harder to hate. But honestly, you'll go on believing what you want regardless of whatever may or may not be fact and conjecture. All -I- ask, is don't put labels on people who don't deserve them because you personally dislike the guy. Now, if he diddled YOUR wife, I'd be far more understanding, but I doubt he did. So just lighten up so the rest of us can actually enjoy discussion on him which doesn't degrade into this.
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Probably not so much. It was precisely his charm and charisma that carried him into office for the most part. I still get into arguments with my friends and family who claim he was the "first black president" lol. Rawanda happened, the Three Strikes bill happened, the Welfare reform law also happened. Much like the Kennedy presidency alot of Clinton's mistakes and outright terrible decisions are swept away because most people were attracted to his personality. The same goes for Ronald Reagan. Kennedy in my view was a bad president, Clinton and Reagan are somewhere in the middle. As opposed to the "amazinggoshdarnawesome" story that often get told about them.
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I agree his charisma and charm weathered his personal shortcomings. But I really don't think people would go around calling him a trench, baby killing monster if he didn't have them. They'd probably refer to him as a decent president who never really did anything outstanding. People are just more happy with him not really having any other problems with countries, and his ability to make friends with them.
Unfortunately, we'll never know how the country would think of him without his charm. Though, I definitely agree charm DOES help image.
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I don't necessarily have to personally like the person in order for me to think they are doing a good job as President, and the opposite is true as well.
Obama seems a little too arrogant for my taste, but it didn't keep me from voting for him.
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Bush didn't. Despite his massive use of cronyism, he was surprisingly disdainful of pardons. And those he did pardon weren't his buddies, they were people who committed their crimes almost 20+ years ago.
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I stand corrected. You're right, Bush did not.
Thanks for the correction. =D
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Clinton's economic "success" can be summarized by one word: internet. I'm sure Al Gore is proud
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Those to blame in Rwanda are France and Belgium, just as the blame goes to other colonizing countries raping the countries of Africa...
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Please...use some "***ing" common sense and see that I understand that he obviously wasn't personally responsible for the genocide. So obviously that wasn't the "***ing" point I was making. Sarcasm aside, Clinton could have done much to help the people there and flatly refused to act. In an interview with the Boston Globe he said that not acting was one his biggest regrets. And for good reason.
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GENERAL PETRAEUS HELPS OUT SECRETARY OF STATE CLINTON
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com...id=jt9n12-NlZm
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In covering his ass, he has no problem making claims that can potential impact the lives of his mistresses (Monica Lewinsky and the Secret Service) and has no problem allowing the media attack them personally. If you don't think this sort of behavior reflects that of a sexual predator, fine. If you are going to describe that sort of behavior as that of a man worthy of any respect? What does that say about you? |
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