Official First Class News & Speculation Thread: Class Three

[Manic]

Originally Posted by chaseter

Do you hate it that this movie is not the real first class of X-Men?

No, because previous movies have established that they can't make a prequel using Iceman and Angel in the original X-Men, and they couldn't use characters like Cyclops and Marvel Girl because they're too young to be used in a movie that explores Charles and Erik's youth.

That doesn't mean that liberties should be taken for no reason, though. In the comics, Sinister didn't create the Legacy Virus. He didn't even particularly like the Legacy Virus or what it could do to some of the mutants he's been keeping his eyes on (like the Summers family). And now you're suggesting that we take a character who was anti-LV and make him the creator of the LV in the movies.

That'd be like making William Stryker a pro-mutant activist. As much as they changed the character, at least they got the fundamental anti-mutant thing right.

[chaseter]

Sinister wanting to create the perfect mutant is craaazy?

You are against liberties but at the same time accepting of them in this current movieverse. William Stryker going from a religious nut job to a military scientist that wants to re-arrange cerebro to kill mutants is fine but if Sinister creates the Legacy virus to kill humans then you're out?

[Manic]

There's nothing wrong with Sinister wanting to create the perfect mutant. That's what he does. It's just that, when you get down to it, that perfect mutant usually turns out to be a Grey-Summers in his eyes. But that doesn't mean he'd stop testing other mutants and seeing what the gene pool can produce next.

[MikeFrost]

Aslong as we don't get another Barakapool...

[chaseter]

Originally Posted by Manic

There's nothing wrong with Sinister wanting to create the perfect mutant. That's what he does. It's just that, when you get down to it, that perfect mutant usually turns out to be a Grey-Summers in his eyes. But that doesn't mean he'd stop testing other mutants and seeing what the gene pool can produce next.

The perfect mutant to him is a mix of Scott and Jean. That is what his experiments and DNA analysis lead him to. All of his time was spent trying to make that mutant...which he finally did.

Stryfe gives Sinister the legacy virus but do we really need to bring Stryfe, the clone of Cable and Apocalpyse from the future, when Sinister could just create it...............

[marvelrobbins]

Bryan Singer has hinted the Inevitial sequel to First Class will be jumping to when Xavier
opens the school.This when you do Cyclops becoming a student Is perfect way to
bring In Sinster because of his obsession with the Summers bloodlines to create powerful
mutants.And If they are changing havok to Cyclops' father you already establish the
power of the family.Plus If Apocalypse makes a cameo In First Class you can have Sinster as lackey for him.Although one who might scheme against him.

[psyonic]

To think of it, Trask didn't even need to be in X3 .. he didn't do anything except get the fans excited about the possibility of the Sentinels ..

[Manic]

Originally Posted by chaseter

The perfect mutant to him is a mix of Scott and Jean. That is what his experiments and DNA analysis lead him to. All of his time was spent trying to make that mutant...which he finally did.

Stryfe gives Sinister the legacy virus but do we really need to bring Stryfe, the clone of Cable and Apocalpyse from the future, when Sinister could just create it...............

Why does Sinister have to create it? Can't someone who actually wants to kill mutantkind create it?

[The Original Bamfer]

They can very easily ignore the Trask cameo.

[Manic]

Trask was in X3?

[chaseter]

Originally Posted by Manic

Why does Sinister have to create it? Can't someone who actually wants to kill mutantkind create it?

Because then if Stryfe doesn't make it from Apocalypse's formula then you will complain. If Stryfe does create it and he isn't a clone from the future then you will complain.

You don't like the idea...I get it. Don't hide behind the it's out of character or wanting it to be more comic accurate position while accepting all the changes done so far to this movieverse that have turned out to be perfectly fine adaptations.

[marvelrobbins]

It Is best to Ignore the Last Stand.James Mcavoy has confirmed we will see Xavier being
crippled In First Class.Now with Trask In Last Stand he was never given first name of Boliver and was homeland security security with no hint of being a scientist.So even If Last Stand was In Cannon easy to dismiss the Trask In the film.

[The Original Bamfer]

We've known for a while that they're ignoring some key plot points of 'The Last Stand'.

[Manic]

Originally Posted by chaseter

Because then if Stryfe doesn't make it from Apocalypse's formula then you will complain. If Stryfe does create it and he isn't a clone from the future then you will complain.

You don't like the idea...I get it. Don't hide behind the it's out of character or wanting it to be more comic accurate position while accepting all the changes done so far to this movieverse that have turned out to be perfectly fine adaptations.

I don't accept all the changes done in the movie franchise. I have a mile long list of all the crap I don't like from the movies. It starts with Mystique being an underling in Magneto's Brotherhood, and it goes on until we reach Professor X being born & raised in upstate New York while sporting an English accent. Making Sinister the creator of the Legacy Virus would only add to that list. You're just mad that I'm a dissenting voice in what you'd like to see in a future movie.

[JP]

I think its easy to tell good ideas from bad ones.

[def28]

Originally Posted by MikeFrost

Aslong as we don't get another Barakapool...

I'm still trying to figure out why someone would write those changes to a character and think its a good idea. Let alone film it.

[chaseter]

Originally Posted by Manic

I don't accept all the changes done in the movie franchise. I have a mile long list of all the crap I don't like from the movies. It starts with Mystique being an underling in Magneto's Brotherhood, and it goes on until we reach Professor X being born & raised in upstate New York while sporting an English accent. Making Sinister the creator of the Legacy Virus would only add to that list. You're just mad that I'm a dissenting voice in what you'd like to see in a future movie.

No...that's fine that you don't like the idea. Say that. It's pathetic to hide it behind the guise of wanting the movies to be more comic accurate when this one you are going to go see in June is pretty damn far off from any comic you have ever read. Will that make the movie bad? **** no.

What I said is the truth. You are ****ing about Sinister creating the virus but want Stryfe, a clone from 2000 years in the future, to create it. You would seriously want that in a movie because it's more comic accurate???

[Manic]

Amazing. You said you wanted a movie where Sinister creates the Legacy Virus, I disagreed, and you've been grasping at straws this whole damn time because god forbid I disagree with you.

Not once in this entire damn conversation have I even said Stryfe's name. Hell, I even said I don't want Cable in the movie. Why the hell would I want Stryfe? Where did I even say I wanted to see the Legacy Virus in a movie? I've been saying the exact opposite, and you somehow think that all means I want to see a movie with Stryfe in it.

Also, I'm not hiding behind a damn thing. I want my movies more comic accurate. I've had plenty of complaints in the past about the previous X-Men movies in this regard.

I've made my point, even if you can't seem to understand it. This conversation is over.

[marvelrobbins]

Originally Posted by The Original Bamfer

We've known for a while that they're ignoring some key plot points of 'The Last Stand'.

I think both The James Mcavoy Interview as well as Rose Bryne's comments
on Moira being american settles once and for all the contunity debate with
regard to The Last Stand.

I am very curious to know who Michael Ironside Is playing.Like I said Michael Vaughn Is brillent If he IS playing Apocalpyse.I am sure If they are bringing
In Apocalypse It can be handled well.Unlike the making of Last Stand with exception of wanting Mcavoy with hair they laregly let filmmakers do
the film they wanted to do.

[chaseter]

What was your reason for disagreeing Manic?

I will just answer for you...it was because Sinister didn't create it in the comics. That is your reason...because it didn't happen in the comics. Wonderful reason for movie adaptations.

[JP]

Sweet baybuh jeebus!

[chaseter]

Sorry.

I just really want to see Sinister at some point. He is a pretty good tool to make a lot of interesting plots. Marauders, Jean/Scott, Apocalypse, legacy virus...I even think he is connected to the Nazi's experiments on mutants. That could tie in nicely with Magneto.

[Legion]

Sinister is a schemer and a plotter. His motivations are everything and I agree that if they made Sinister the creator of the Legacy Virus you would be completely changing the character.

Now Sinister's intentions are not always understood and that is also what makes the character interesting. He could have created a virus that was more like Apocalypse's techno organic virus, or the plague from TAS and use it in a plot to wipe out inferior mutants, like the morlocks. Not one that was a pox on all mutants like the legacy virus.

If Sinister was going to be used in any prequel film it should have been this one. I think it would have been great if Charles and Erik rescued young mutants like Havok. They chose to open their own school to help the victims and other young mutants after witnessing the atrocities committed at the orphanage.

[Lightning Strykez!]

Originally Posted by protocida

James McAvoy has mentioned that "a storm is coming before". And this is being planned as the first of a trilogy. And how is Apocalypse not fit for this movie Universe? He just doesn't have to be a towering inhuman being clad in Egypitan battle armor.

Well, that hint is kinda obvious, isn't it? The cameo will be Storm, perhaps in an orgin feature.

And before you cry "bloody war/it ain't happening", just remember that this film has already shown a willingness to depart from cannon. Scott should've been the first X-Man, etc. So don't be surprised if they roll out Storm here.

[BMM]

McAvoy's quote has nothing to do with any alleged cameo in the film. I don't even know where that cameo rumor is coming from.

This is his quote:

IGN: So is Charles going through a similar experience to the kids, discovering this whole wider world of mutants?

McAvoy: Yeah, I think so. I don't feel like he's a scientist. And you know he's been studying genetic mutation theory for the last 12 or 13 years. Now he gets to study it in practice and he's got a bunch of guinea pigs there. I think that is another part of it. But I also think there is a sense at the end of this film of the approaching storm and all that kind of stuff. There is a storm coming and you need to set up your keep, you know what I mean? Ready your castle and create your place in the world.