Worries About the Snyder reboot

[BH/HHH]

Originally Posted by craigdbfan

Yeah, my feelings are mutual. Nothing has led me to believe this is going down the wrong direction.

My only concern honestly is the choice of villain/s.

I'm just deeply longing for Brainiac but even then I know Brainiac isn't necessary for a great Superman story (although having him for a sequel would then be a must). So its a tiny worry to say the least.

Yeah I guess thats probably my only concern if thats the word I can use, I do really want Brainiac. I'm not gonna be annoyed if we don't get him but getting the villain I want will be icing on the cake.

[7heBoss]

Yeah, I guess if I had say the thing I am most worried about is that we will get zod as a villain. and even that isn't too big of a deal for me, id just prefer brainiac

[BH/HHH]

Originally Posted by 7heBoss

Yeah, I guess if I had say the thing I am most worried about is that we will get zod as a villain. and even that isn't too big of a deal for me, id just prefer brainiac

Yeah thats how I feel, I'm not gonna cry if we get Zod but I'd prefer Brainiac, heck if they give me both that'd do nicely

[KrypJonian]

Much as I want Brainiac to be the villain and Zod to stay the hell away, did anyone read "The Last Days of Krypton"?

It really gave a starting point for a grudge between Zod and Brainiac... Maybe some of that will carry over...

[BH/HHH]

Originally Posted by KrypJonian

Much as I want Brainiac to be the villain and Zod to stay the hell away, did anyone read "The Last Days of Krypton"?

It really gave a starting point for a grudge between Zod and Brainiac... Maybe some of that will carry over...

Never read it, worth buying?

[The Cocreator]

They should start the new movies simple, right now they should just use Metallo

[Showtime]

Originally Posted by Lighthouse

So far, Goyer has been my only worry.

I don't blame you, but from what we've heard, Nolan has been able to right the ship in regards to the script.

Originally Posted by BigThor

Same here

Originally Posted by The Cocreator

They should start the new movies simple, right now they should just use Metallo

I actually agree, if the villians are indeed Zod & Ursa, I would rather Metallo or even a dark version of bizzaro.

[Showtime]

Originally Posted by Lighthouse

So far, Goyer has been my only worry.

I don't blame you, but from what we've heard, Nolan has been able to right the ship in regards to the script.

Originally Posted by BigThor

Same here

Originally Posted by The Cocreator

They should start the new movies simple, right now they should just use Metallo

I actually agree, if the villians are indeed Zod & Ursa, I would rather Metallo or even a dark version of bizzaro.

[GreenKToo]

As others have said, if I had a worry, it would be over who the villain(s) will be..

[sf2]

Originally Posted by The Cocreator

They should start the new movies simple, right now they should just use Metallo

metallo is just too small the fry. a secondary villain maybe.

and i HATE to see kryptonite again!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Kurosawa]

My biggest fear is any connection or similarities or influence from Byrne's Man of Steel. Byrne's take on the character was actually a cowardly retreat from the challenge of writing Superman as he turned the character into a Spider-Man/Colossus hybrid and ended up making Superman such a joke that his most popular moment after his changes was when a Faux Hulk beat him to death in "The Death of Superman" crossover. Goyer's admitted like for that series and his love of the scene from "Secret Origin": (the whole "I want to be Clark Kent bit) shows me that Goyer doesn't understand Superman very well. He clearly came up reading the Post-Crisis version and like so many other people, has seemingly never bothered to research the real version and the context in which he was created. I do NOT want Byrne's Superman. I want Jerry Siegel's Superman.

My other issue is Snyder's admitted admiration of Frank Miller and Miller's disgusting "Dark Knight Returns", which smeared Superman's good name relentlessly. Miller hates Superman and it shows. Byrne said that he worked with Miller to make sure his Superman and Miller's Superman were the same character, and it shows in his incredible incompetence and impotence.

That said, Snyder's expressed love of Curt Swan's Superman makes me hope he might actually understand the character somewhat, or that he's at least seen a real Superman comic or two in his life. His Jim Lee comments matter less to me, since Lee is alive and I figure Snyder is just kissing his ass because it's your typical hollywood suck-up stuff. Not that Lee doesn't draw a nice Superman (although he isn't much of a sequential artist tbh, he's more of a pin-up guy). If Snyder was mentioning a love of Elliot S! Maggin's writing I would feel a hell of a lot more confident. Luckily, Birthright seems to be a player in this adaptation and although Mark Waid is no Maggin (or even close), he does understand Superman so maybe Snyder will get some second-generation clue as to how to handle the character.

The casting decisions so far I approve of, although the Kristin Stewart rumors are absurd if true. She's not Lois Lane material, nor should she be acting alongside someone on Cavill's level.

[El Payaso]

- Snyder being all visuals and little heart.

- Goyer writing dialogues.

- Nolan being just a name thrown there for credibility.

[BH/HHH]

Originally Posted by El Payaso

- Snyder being all visuals and little heart.

- Goyer writing dialogues.

- Nolan being just a name thrown there for credibility.

Well from what we keep hearing from Jaime he's doing abit more than just been a name thats been used

[tomoe]

Originally Posted by tomoe
1. Snyder really hasn't made a truly great movie yet.
2. That it will be a soulless bashfest.
1.) False

2.) It wont.

1. Which movie are you referring to? I would love to be proven wrong.
2. I really hope you are right.

[Nemi]

That Lex Luthor will be after land again.

[Tomar-Re]

Originally Posted by Nemi

That Lex Luthor will be after land again.

What a pathetic scheme in Superman Returns... I almost laughed out loud.

[Zachhelms]

Biggest Concerns...
1. The movie will end up like many of the other proposed Superman movies and never actually be put together.
2. The movie will not have enough action. We don't need another SR repeat.
3. That the casting for Lois will suck. She is a major role and she needs to be perfect unlike the previous movie Lois'.
4. The costume. I am in-between whether I want to keep it traditional or updated.

But other then that, I am not too worried. My dream Superman movie would be a Superman placed in the Golden Age time period. Have everything 30's or 40's. That'd be pretty amazing.

[Zachhelms]

Originally Posted by Nemi

That Lex Luthor will be after land again.

Worst storyline ever.

Originally Posted by The Cocreator

They should start the new movies simple, right now they should just use Metallo

Metallo, to me, is such a boring villain. If he was in the movie, he doesn't need to be the main villain. Maybe a side villain like the Scarecrow in The Dark Knight.

Originally Posted by titansupes

My only two (major) worries left are:

1- They'll **** up the costume, remove the undies etc.

2- They'll go the ridiculous 'Metropolis Clark is the real guy' route.

Apart from that (I've accepted Cavill, hope I'm proven wrong about him) everything Snyder's been saying the last week is getting me excited.

For number 2, are you saying you would rather have Superman pretending to be Clark rather then Clark pretending to be Superman?

[Zionite]

Originally Posted by Kurosawa

My biggest fear is any connection or similarities or influence from Byrne's Man of Steel. Byrne's take on the character was actually a cowardly retreat from the challenge of writing Superman as he turned the character into a Spider-Man/Colossus hybrid and ended up making Superman such a joke that his most popular moment after his changes was when a Faux Hulk beat him to death in "The Death of Superman" crossover. Goyer's admitted like for that series and his love of the scene from "Secret Origin": (the whole "I want to be Clark Kent bit) shows me that Goyer doesn't understand Superman very well. He clearly came up reading the Post-Crisis version and like so many other people, has seemingly never bothered to research the real version and the context in which he was created. I do NOT want Byrne's Superman. I want Jerry Siegel's Superman.

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Oh People have read the Pre-cris version.But to be honest Its a lamer outdated version of Superman-which is why most people of this Gen like John byrnes run.

[Kurosawa]

Originally Posted by Zionite

Oh People have read the Pre-cris version.But to be honest Its a lamer outdated version of Superman-which is why most people of this Gen like John byrnes run.

They like it so much that Superman has went from being the #1 superhero in comics to being basically irrelevant and only popular when a faux Hulk beats him to death. Oh, and when he's Batman's whipping boy.

It was a total failure. Period. The Superman that was based in Jerry Siegel's vision was a huge hit and cultural icon. He's Siegel's character. Not John Byrne's. Byrne has never created any character of real importance. And the classic Superman is hardly outdated-but go on quoting all the DC propaganda from the Byrne period instead of actually learning about the character's history.

[Zionite]

Originally Posted by Kurosawa

They like it so much that Superman has went from being the #1 superhero in comics to being basically irrelevant and only popular when a faux Hulk beats him to death. Oh, and when he's Batman's whipping boy.

It was a total failure. Period. The Superman that was based in Jerry Siegel's vision was a huge hit and cultural icon. He's Siegel's character. Not John Byrne's. Byrne has never created any character of real importance. And the classic Superman is hardly outdated-but go on quoting all the DC propaganda from the Byrne period instead of actually learning about the character's history.

How many people nowadays would like the Original superman.Lets go back shall we?He fought wifebeaters was excessively vilent didnt take **** from no one and was goddamn unrelatable.As time went on He became Godddamn overpowered that there really was no way to challenge him anymore.Sure John Byrne had its flaws which i can esily list but it was leagues above the Original.
The Original did well in its day-but it really wouldnt sit well with Modern audiences.
And Superman has had bigger storylines that Death of Superman-Imperiex war is a great example

[Kurosawa]

Originally Posted by Zionite

How many people nowadays would like the Original superman.Lets go back shall we?He fought wifebeaters was excessively vilent didnt take **** from no one and was goddamn unrelatable.As time went on He became Godddamn overpowered that there really was no way to challenge him anymore.Sure John Byrne had its flaws which i can esily list but it was leagues above the Original.
The Original did well in its day-but it really wouldnt sit well with Modern audiences.
And Superman has had bigger storylines that Death of Superman-Imperiex war is a great example

Siegel wrote more stories than the one wifebeater story. Do some research. And the original would do fine with today's audiences-it was Byrne's version that led to Superman being an irrelevant joke, not the classic version that was a cultural icon for almost 50 years.

And cutting his powers down like Byrne did is the very first sign of a coward. Superman is hard to write? Then change everything about him so you don't have to take on the task of writing such a difficult character. What a coward. Honestly, as soon as anyone starts complaining about Superman being too powerful they just need to be sent to the Batman offices because they clearly don't get it.

[Zionite]

Originally Posted by Kurosawa

Siegel wrote more stories than the one wifebeater story. Do some research. And the original would do fine with today's audiences-it was Byrne's version that led to Superman being an irrelevant joke, not the classic version that was a cultural icon for almost 50 years.

I did.Everything I read about that character screamed campy,ridiculous and Unrelatable.And It was the Donner versiond that gave the publiuc colored perceptions of Superman not Byrne!

And cutting his powers down like Byrne did is the very first sign of a coward. Superman is hard to write? Then change everything about him so you don't have to take on the task of writing such a difficult character. What a coward. Honestly, as soon as anyone starts complaining about Superman being too powerful they just need to be sent to the Batman offices because they clearly don't get it.

Tell me how on earth do you write a challenge about a guy who can move planets-is faster than the speed of light or travel through time!There really is now way to do it properly otherwise you get Donner-Horrible.
This is very strange-I have never encountered a fan who wanted us to be stuck in Precrisis crap.

The Donner movies are the best representation of Precrisis superman there is-and according to Modern GA they suck DONKEYBALLS

[batman44]

I wouldn't call the Donner and Reeve series the best representation pre-crisis. It hardly took anything from those stories aside from Superman being real and Clark a diguise, nor do I remember or seen any polls or data that says the modern GA think those movies suck.

[Kurosawa]

Originally Posted by Zionite

The Donner movies are the best representation of Precrisis superman there is-and according to Modern GA they suck DONKEYBALLS

The Donner movies have nothing to do with Pre-Crisis Superman. If anything, they formed a lot of the basis for the Post-Crisis version with the cold Krypton, harder Lois, more farmboy Superman who was exceedingly naive, etc. And the Donner movies are actually still well thought of-although I personally have some issues with them. Superman Returns was badly thought of because it was a poor movie.

And if you have never encountered a fan who liked Superman being done in a manner that his creators intended, then you haven't stepped out of the Post-Crisis Byrne shell much. Even DC themselves have rectified many of Byrne's biggest mistakes over the years like his wretched Krypton, test-tube baby Superman, getting rid of Superboy (which Byrne HIMSELF admits was a mistake), etc. Superman as he stands right now is somewhere in between the classic that was the top comic and a huge cultural icon for YEARS and the failed Byrne experiment that has resulted in Superman being the #3 superhero at his own company. If DC ever straightens out their legal issues with the S&S heirs, maybe they'll make Superman a winner again,