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Old 03-28-2011, 05:50 PM   #101
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i dont mind slow mo i just dont want unnecessary slow mo and Snyder has done that before

like comedian throwing coffee mug at ozy in fight scene really was'nt necessary

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Old 03-28-2011, 06:05 PM   #102
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i dont mind slow mo i just dont want unnecessary slow mo and Snyder has done that before

like comedian throwing coffee mug at ozy in fight scene really was'nt necessary
Maybe he was doing more to specifically mirror the comic panels from the graphic novel...whereas now with a story written specifically for the screen, it'll be more sveltely employed.

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Old 03-28-2011, 11:11 PM   #103
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love this article on Snyder
http://www.movieline.com/2011/03/why...n-of-steel.php

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Old 03-28-2011, 11:16 PM   #104
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It makes some good points. Every great director has had a bad step. Even the Messiah Nolan will have a misfire one day.

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Lots of the same stuff that's been discussed here. The only way to really look at it is positively and hopefully. Because he's not going to get fired because of 'backlash' in places like this, or what have you...really the only places where anyone cares or knows him from Adam. As for critical scrutiny....once the initial tirade is over, it's mostly forgotten by the masses anyway, and critics have better things to spend their time on (what, we may never know) than conducting an ongoing smear campaign or the like. If the movie's good, then great. If it isn't, it's a tough break, but there's plenty of other superhero movies going on. Life will go on.

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***** that article. Zack Snyder is NOT Speilberg.

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That article is making quite a few leaps. Unlike Spielberg, Snyder has enjoyed relatively free control early on in his career. Moreover, he's had the money to back up his vision. It's not unlike directors to have missteps, especially when they're being held down and not allowed to express themselves artists. James Cameron and David Fincher are also prominent examples of the stark differences between a studio-controlled director and an artistically driven one. Pirahna and Aliens 3 are quite a long ways off from Terminator and Se7en.

But again, Zack hasn't had this issue. There have been no indications that therein lies a cinematic genius just waiting for the right opportunity to break out. He's had plenty of chances to display it. I really don't think Zack is about to pull a fast one and give us a drastically new directorial approach that hasn't been indicated in his past films.

His visual style, finesse, and overall vision are his strengths. And that's fine. Past that, it's clear to me that he's not much of a screenwriter (neither is Cameron) or an actor's director (neither is Nolan). Again, that's fine. He just needs to rely on other people to deliver those areas in the production. Fortunately, these are all standard departments so he's got plenty of help if he wants it.

There's no need to prop up Zack more than he needs to be. He's not a one-man show like most greats in Hollywood -- but that doesn't preclude him (or anyone else) from delivering great films. Nothing wrong with that.

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I'm not opposed to some slow mo but the stop start slo-mo is stupid. If you've seen Sucker Punch, you will know what I mean. I prefer a normal scene without it really. Tarsem Singh who was one of the early adopters of slow mo and did it well said he is preferring to use very little of it for his film Immortals. He mentioned going Old Boy on it which is why I'm really excited about that film. The trailer for Immortals debuts at Wondercon in 3 days so I hope they release it online as well. Matthew Vaughn is another person who filmed some great action scenes without slo-mo in Kick-Ass. Fast, brutal, and violent. In fact I think there are only 2 or 3 shots with slo-mo in that film.

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I agree on the slo-mo. It just never makes an action scene more exciting to me, unless it's focusing on that one climactic moment (where you don't know if the protagonist is gonna make the jump or something). Kick-Ass is a great example, Astrodust. That had some of my favorite action sequences in a loooong time. Fast, but NOT sped-up (another over-used device, imo), completely watchable/comprehensible, and chock full of "hell yeah" moments. Vaughn did use the fast-mo/slo-mo technique in one sequence, but my favorites were the ones without it. I really hope Snyder ditches the slo-mo - I want to see Supes kicking a** at normal speed (for us, meaning Supes going at superspeed). That could make for some badassery (kinda like Nightcrawler in the White House, only instead of teleporting, he's just moving that fast. I know there was SOME slo-mo in that sequence, but I'm not talking about those parts.) that I'm not used to associating with the Superman of the movies.

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I agree on the slo-mo. It just never makes an action scene more exciting to me, unless it's focusing on that one climactic moment (where you don't know if the protagonist is gonna make the jump or something). Kick-Ass is a great example, Astrodust. That had some of my favorite action sequences in a loooong time. Fast, but NOT sped-up (another over-used device, imo), completely watchable/comprehensible, and chock full of "hell yeah" moments. Vaughn did use the fast-mo/slo-mo technique in one sequence, but my favorites were the ones without it. I really hope Snyder ditches the slo-mo - I want to see Supes kicking a** at normal speed (for us, meaning Supes going at superspeed). That could make for some badassery (kinda like Nightcrawler in the White House, only instead of teleporting, he's just moving that fast. I know there was SOME slo-mo in that sequence, but I'm not talking about those parts.) that I'm not used to associating with the Superman of the movies.



I think slo-mo should be used at the right moments but not 80% or 90% of the time.

I hope Nolan recommends to Snyder to ease up and lighten up on the slo-mo techniques for Superman.

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What would suck is if he went in the polar opposite direction, and made things so fast you couldn't make out out what was going on in the fights, ala Nolan.


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http://www.complex.com/pop-culture/2...nd-sci-fi-love

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Yeah, we can't be giving Snyder that much credit, can we?
Well the acting wasn't that great to start with.

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It seems Duncan Jones agrees that Snyder knows how to handle the deeper meaning of a story.

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Jones had this to say about it
Adding this to what his pitch to Nolan was:

Ah, nice find, thanks.

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Jones had this to say about it
Adding this to what his pitch to Nolan was:
A Manhattan-like Superman who can't relate to people? I don't know if I want that.

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That is probably why Nolan went with Snyder for the film, instead of Jones, since he referenced Watchmen.

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This article points out that Snyder is actually still learning as a director. He already has a unique visual style, has demonstrated the ability to get good performances out of actors and can handle serious themes, he just hasn't made a film that perfectly balances those things. But he still has time. I feel that Superman could be that film.

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Obviously he isn't going to be exactly like Manhattan. But the alienation Superman feels as a result of his powers has been part of his character for a long time.

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You know, now I feel better about Jones not directing.

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I want Jones to direct The Flash!

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This article points out that Snyder is actually still learning as a director. He already has a unique visual style, has demonstrated the ability to get good performances out of actors and can handle serious themes, he just hasn't made a film that perfectly balances those things. But he still has time. I feel that Superman could be that film.

I think most of us know Snyder has the potential to get over that hump as a director and I think Nolan will help him get there.

You can bet your azzes, that WB's and Nolan will be monitoring the progress when they start shooting Man of Steel in mid to late August.

The plan all along for this Superman film was for it to be more of a studio collaboration and a fun overall film for the masses anyway. A Superman film that fans and the general movie going audience as a whole have been waiting to see for years. Something Superman Returns was not.

Regardless of what some think. SP has been Snyders only real misfire.

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I want Jones to direct The Flash!


Now THAT would be an awesome piece of directorial news!

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Apparenly Snyder really wants a Welling cameo. This rumor is from the ever reliable **************.

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My source is as yet unsure if Tom has even been contacted about the role, but Snyder is adamant for it to happen. This news comes hot on the hells of Snyder's interview with FOX ALL ACCESS, in which he thanked Smallville for keeping Superman alive.
Awesome idea, right? Reminds me of the rumor that Clark would have a cameo in Batman Begins.

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this film is not called The Man Of Wood Tho?

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