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Old 10-17-2012, 11:18 PM   #326
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VERY good.

YES, VERY GOOD!


These people who feel sorry for the family obviously don't know the full jist of it. I literally started clapping when I read the courts ruled in favor of WB.

Good for WB/DC, finally some justice, Marc Toberoff can go s**k a nice fat big one for all of us now, I can't even express how happy I am over this ruling!

SUPERMAN LIVES! Thats basically what this ruling did for us fans As long as Man of Steel is Successful, this ruling pretty much gaurantee's us a MOS sequel!

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Old 10-17-2012, 11:23 PM   #327
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however, this also gives DC full control over the character, including the visual aspect. the look of Superman that has existed for 70 years will never be again.

some on here would not call that a good thing, especially with DC's history of changing Superman for the sake of change.
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Old 10-17-2012, 11:27 PM   #328
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What?

LOL Exactly! WHAT?!!!

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Old 10-17-2012, 11:28 PM   #329
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What?
you know just as well as i do that the visual look of Superman changed last year because of the mess with all of this lawsuit... the same thing happened in 1992, when that Ultimate Superman concept came out, and they proposed that's what Superman would look like from then on.

i hate the "Superman" we have right now. hate it with a passion, and it wasn't the Shuster family that did this... that was DC's work. if DC52 is a glimpse of what is to come for Superman from now on, i wont support DC or Superman anymore.

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Old 10-17-2012, 11:32 PM   #330
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you know just as well as i do that the visual look of Superman changed last year because of the mess with all of this lawsuit... the same thing happened in 1992, when that Ultimate Superman concept came out, and they proposed that's what Superman would look like from then on.

i hate the "Superman" we have right now. hate it with a passion, and it wasn't the Shuster family that did this... that was DC's work. if DC52 is a glimpse of what is to come for Superman from now on, i wont support DC or Superman anymore.
Right. The lawsuit caused DC to change the suit, so how is that DC's fault?

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Old 10-17-2012, 11:37 PM   #331
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Right. The lawsuit caused DC to change the suit, so how is that DC's fault?
DC had the chance to keep it as is... did they? no.
why the hell should i support a company that doesn't support the source material as it is?

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Old 10-17-2012, 11:39 PM   #332
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If that's your viewpoint you should have bailed in '86.

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Old 10-17-2012, 11:40 PM   #333
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DC had the chance to keep it as is... did they? no.
why the hell should i support a company that doesn't support the source material as it is?
They had to change the suit to possibly get around the lawsuit, it would be really stupid business to just pay out more money, instead of going this route as a precaution.

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i was only 3 in 86... and i dont like the characterization of Byrne's vision of superman... the only thing i liked was the art.

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Old 10-17-2012, 11:46 PM   #335
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They had to change the suit to possibly get around the lawsuit, it would be really stupid business to just pay out more money, instead of going this route as a precaution.
hmmm... i just feel so immensely screwed over in all of this.
makes me never want to be a DC fan

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Old 10-17-2012, 11:57 PM   #336
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Good lord, this part made me shake my head:

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“We respectfully disagree with [the order’s] factual and legal conclusions,” he said in an e-mailed statement. “It is surprising given that the judge appeared to emphatically agree with our position at the summary judgment hearing.”

The eight-year legal battle between the Superman creators’ heirs and Warner probably won’t end soon. The Shuster estate is expected to appeal Wednesday’s ruling.

I'm just glad that things are looking well for Warner's side. Like someone else had mentioned awhile back, the people that this affects most imho are the fans since if the Siegals were to win, then DC from what I understand would have to alter the character to the point where we may not even recognize it anymore due to key characteristic traits being removed due to the lawsuit if the Siegals were to win. Plus, the article states on how Warner Bros. winning the case for the moment would allow them to continue making films for Superman should MOS be a success.

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Old 10-18-2012, 01:30 AM   #337
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Too bad WB did not win this when Smallville was on.

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Old 10-18-2012, 02:02 AM   #338
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I guess I never really understood the technicalities even though I read some articles. Were the heirs trying to get the rights of the creators to a property DC has owned for so many years?

I'd really appreciate if someone could break it down for me in a sentence or two.

But whatever the dispute I'm glad it's looking brigther for MOS-sequels.

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Old 10-18-2012, 02:40 AM   #339
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The right ruling decision was made as it was a good thing for Superman fans, DC Comics, and WB. We can have a Justice League movie with Superman, along with Man of Steel, more Superman animated movies, and a new long overdue Superman animated series. Most of all, we could see a return of the classic costume with red underwear if DC wants to bring it back.

As it stands, it's now 50-50 with DC/ WB and the Siegel family. However, DC/ WB has more power when they have control of Superman trademarks, separate from copyright. I understand that DC has been paying both the Siegel and Shuster family over $4 million since 1975.

The 1992 agreement has sealed the outcome of this case with the Shuster family. Unlike Jerry Siegel, Joe Shuster had no direct heirs but rather collateral heirs. He only named his sister as the sole heir in his will. Had the Shuster family not sign the 1992 agreement, they would have gotten their half of the copyright and there would be no Superman in DC Comics.

This shows Marc Toberoff that the Goliath system can't be underestimated.

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Old 10-18-2012, 03:07 AM   #340
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Yep they won't have to change Superman's origins or anything.

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Old 10-18-2012, 06:01 AM   #341
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I would prefer that WB gave some reasonable amount to Heirs to settle the lawsuit without giving anything to Toberoff.

Or let the Superman property enter public domain like Sherlock Holmes is and that will allow everyone a right to make Superman movies.

I don't like the idea that someone like Marc Toberoff will have a percentage of ownership to Superman, which would allow his own studio to make movies.

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I would prefer that WB gave some reasonable amount to Heirs to settle the lawsuit without giving anything to Toberoff.

Or let the Superman property enter public domain like Sherlock Holmes is and that will allow everyone a right to make Superman movies.

I don't like the idea that someone like Marc Toberoff will have a percentage of ownership to Superman, which would allow his own studio to make movies.
They have given the two families 4 million dollars since 1975 plus healthcare and other medical expenses.

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DC had the chance to keep it as is... did they? no.
why the hell should i support a company that doesn't support the source material as it is?
Well, if DC changed it because of the lawsuit and they now won this ruling, doesn't that mean they could possibly go back to the way it was?

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Old 10-18-2012, 10:05 AM   #344
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I don't think that they will go back to the original costume, the redesigning was a part of making Superman look "modern", the whole thought behind it was to revitalize Superman.

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i hate what DC has done with superman lately. its not superman to me. but i suppose if there is any chance to get him back to his proper self, it will require DC to have full ownership.

that said, i do hope the heirs still get adequate financial benefits/settlements from DC.

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Old 10-18-2012, 10:52 AM   #346
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I don't think that they will go back to the original costume, the redesigning was a part of making Superman look "modern", the whole thought behind it was to revitalize Superman.
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Old 10-18-2012, 11:08 AM   #347
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Okay So I have a question.


Does the lawsuit now mean that DC comics can go back to Action Comic 900 whatever it left at before the New 52 If it wants too? What about movies in the future, can he change costumes from the new one if the movie department wants too?

Just curious as to how this outcome will effect all future movies and comics, seems like they can go back to the "old" costume and stuff now.

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Old 10-18-2012, 11:24 AM   #348
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Well, if DC changed it because of the lawsuit and they now won this ruling, doesn't that mean they could possibly go back to the way it was?
i can only hope for that- but i dont see it happening

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Too bad WB did not win this when Smallville was on.
I doubt that would have made much of a difference. Smallville still had an actor who refused to wear the suit & in the finale CGIMAN was born

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Old 10-18-2012, 12:00 PM   #350
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The new 52 costume looks more or less the same except it removed the trunks. I doubt they will ever be going back to that look. At some point they had to rip the bandaid off and change it across mediums. I could understand if wearing trunks on top of pants was ever in style, but it wasn't.

With them owning everything they could go back so I fail to see how that is a bad thing. At this point its not like them removing the trunks has resulted in a major backlash, they have been trying to change his costume for years. At least this one is faithful unlike the electric superman.

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