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Old 04-02-2011, 08:51 PM   #1
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Just a question.

i think we all agree that the star wars prequel trilogy really didn't add depth to the old one.

the biggest issue is continuity.

i mean there are so many inconsistentcies that its slightly frustrating.

the film is clearly trying to bring back the styling of x men 2. but in x men 2 hank mcoy is human.

orgins has emma as teen. Here emma is in her 30's.

so First Class retconns orgins and x3 but it ignores the inconsistent aspects of x2 and x1.

so i guess these films only add depth to magneto and professor x.

as long as they end up on the path visually by the time they reach the 3rd film. they're good.

i say we need to see a young cyclops, jean and storm and mystique at some point gives birth to nightcrawler, and magneto forms the brotherhood.

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Old 04-03-2011, 01:51 AM   #2
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At least with Star Wars they changed certain parts of the old trilogy and re-released them at the cinema and DVD.

In First Class I can't see certain characters motivation for doing what they did in the future. Magneto's beef seems to be with Shaw/Schimidt rather than non-mutants. The film looks like a reboot.

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Old 04-03-2011, 03:06 AM   #3
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I’m sure once Magneto finds Shaw he’ll forgive the Nazi’s for exterminating his family and forget the Holocaust ever happened. Something like that really shouldn't shape how one views the world's treatment of minorities at all.

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orgins has emma as teen. Here emma is in her 30's

The Emma in Origins was basically "Emma Silverfox". It was just a short throwaway cameo of a composite character that had Emma Frost's powers and first name but wasn't really Emma Frost. I think it's best to think of the Emmas as two seperate characters which they essentially are.

BTW when was it ever stated or even implied that the character was meant to be a teenager? The actress was in her 20's and to me she looked like she was 20 something. Seriously, if she was supposed to be a "teenager" then that was a really sun damaged and prematurely aged teenager.


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Old 04-03-2011, 09:41 AM   #5
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to answer the question of the topic, of couse it does.

This prequel tells the origin of Xavier, Erik, Mystique, Beast and the events they lived in the 60's, so the answer was kind of obvious.

So the next time we'll watch X1, X2 or X3 we'll know much more info about their pasts.

I like the idea.

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Old 04-03-2011, 09:45 AM   #6
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Well I'm not sure about X3. I think there will be some issues that'll happen in First Class that contradict with what happened in X3, the opening scene is one I could think of. I don't mind since besides Grammer's Beast there wasn't so much goood things with that movie.

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Old 04-03-2011, 09:54 AM   #7
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X3 will probably be the one film that First Class has very little if anything to do with at all. With Singer involved in FC as the producer and since the treatment is based on his idea, I'm only thinking of this as a prequel of sorts to X1 and 2.

While I'm sure this might seem absurd to some, to be honest, I'm not totally against the idea of just scrapping The Last Stand as part of the trilogy continuity...

With how fast films are getting remakes and reboots, re-imaginings and such, it's been five years since TLS... How about instead of X4, we just let Singer come back in and make the third film he intended to make as a complete trilogy? That's the X3 I'd care about seeing an X4-sequel to.

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Old 04-03-2011, 09:58 AM   #8
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His original idea would make x-men a tetralogy instead of a trilogy with x-3 and 4 shot back-to-back.

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I just can't see Singer continuing doing more X-Men movies in the future though, maybe it's possible with one more from him but otherwise I'm thinking he's going to limit his involvement to just producing the movies.

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Right now I dont think First Class ties in with X1...

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Old 04-03-2011, 10:19 AM   #11
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eithe way it looks like a great movie. its a reboot and a prequel. its confusing but cool nonetheless

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I just can't see Singer continuing doing more X-Men movies in the future though, maybe it's possible with one more from him but otherwise I'm thinking he's going to limit his involvement to just producing the movies.
Bryan created this franchise, he spent like 6 years with the x-men...

He was going to direct First Class, we shouldnt forget that.

so, do you really think he has come back just to produce?

He is a director after all, and he loves the x-men, so he surely wants to direct a future sequel.

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Bryan created this franchise, he spent like 6 years with the x-men...

He was going to direct First Class, we shouldnt forget that.

so, do you really think he has come back just to produce?

He is a director after all, and he loves the x-men, so he surely wants to direct a future sequel.
You think he wants to only direct X-Men movies? As much as I admire his great job with the X-Men movies you have to embrace fresh approach in a franchise, sure it's a plus if he has some input here and there but Singer wants to also direct movies outside the X-Men franchise.

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In First Class I can't see certain characters motivation for doing what they did in the future. Magneto's beef seems to be with Shaw/Schimidt rather than non-mutants. The film looks like a reboot.
In X-Men, Magneto didn't hate humans, he wanted to achieve peace in a twisted way to prove himself smarter than Xavier after these pacifist sermons in FC. After being tortured by Stryker and nearly witnessing a genocide in X2, Magneto decides it's time to start playing by their rules and becomes the megalomaniac of the third film.

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At least with Star Wars they changed certain parts of the old trilogy and re-released them at the cinema and DVD.

In First Class I can't see certain characters motivation for doing what they did in the future. Magneto's beef seems to be with Shaw/Schimidt rather than non-mutants. The film looks like a reboot.

Right, and it's his hate towards the Nazis and Shaw that make him generalize that humans are bad.

Besides if this does turn out to be a trilogy , than we would obviously see him over the next couple films grow into the Magneto we see in the old trilogy.

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Really...another continuity thread?

This movie along with X1 and X2 makes a trilogy. X3 and Wolverine can go off and be in their own little club for all I care.

Also...don't mistake easter eggs for continuity.

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Old 04-03-2011, 03:49 PM   #17
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I'm trying not to get bogged down in continuity issues in the series.
I could understand if the films were all planned out from the beginning, but they weren't. I just feel really fortunate to be able to witness 5 films of my favorite series.

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You think he wants to only direct X-Men movies?
do you really think I think so?

Of course not.

I said he surely wants to direct another sequel, not 10 more x-men movies.

Again, he was going to direct First Class.

if he decided to write and direct it, it just means he wanted to.

but Jack the Giant killer made him to stay only as a producer.

Im sure he wants to direct at least one more sequel, and hopefully for most of us, X4 or somekind of sequel to the main trilogy, wheter it takes place one of six years after The last stand.

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It's very clear that he'll probably make X-4 and 5 shot-back to back, and if this happens then it will be really cool.

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only cool??

I think they would be the best movies of the whole franchise, and two of the best superhero movies of the whole time.

not a fan perspective.

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at least with star wars they changed certain parts of the old trilogy and re-released them at the cinema and dvd.

In first class i can't see certain characters motivation for doing what they did in the future. Magneto's beef seems to be with shaw/schimidt rather than non-mutants. The film looks like a reboot.
IT'S NOT A REBOOT.

Vaughn and Singer have repeatedly and explicitly said that this is a prequel, not a reboot.

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Im sure he wants to direct at least one more sequel, and hopefully for most of us, X4 or somekind of sequel to the main trilogy, wheter it takes place one of six years after The last stand.
I knew that he was originally attached to First Class as a director before joining as just producer but what I meant in my first post is that it's possible that he'll return (and I'm sure he wants to) to at least direct one more in the future, after that I can't see him directing more X-Men movies.

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I knew that he was originally attached to First Class as a director before joining as just producer but what I meant in my first post is that it's possible that he'll return (and I'm sure he wants to) to at least direct one more in the future, after that I can't see him directing more X-Men movies.
who knows?

maybe he wont, maybe he will.

If he loves the x-men universe, and enjoyed directing X1 and X2, he could want to make at least two sequels.

If you look at his latest movies, he only has done Superman Returns, Valkiria, and now Jack The Giant Killer.

Its like he hasnt found a clear direction. He could have done one more independent film, but he hasnt, why?... that's an interesting question, Id say.

I think he wants to have his own franchise, so the X-men one is the most possible one, having came back to Fox and the x-men movies.

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IT'S NOT A REBOOT.

Vaughn and Singer have repeatedly and explicitly said that this is a prequel, not a reboot.
Heh, we'll see.

I think they also said it takes liberties here and there with all of the previous films.

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