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Old 07-27-2011, 08:53 PM   #126
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As Basinger's Vicki Vale can attest to

D'oh, you got me here. Although to grasp some straws, he said "in an old fashioned kinda way" and wanted to 'correct' her the way he did Alicia.

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Old 07-27-2011, 09:23 PM   #127
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The exaggeration in this thread is nothing short of astounding. Angry stepmother? You post a picture from a scene where Rachel is angry. Try something like this:
Happy stepmother?

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Old 07-27-2011, 10:44 PM   #128
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Katie's portrayal of Rachel was more sweet and innocent, making you love her that much more.
It was annoying, morally superior, what makes me hate her more.

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Maggie's portrayal was just annoying (in addition to the fact that her face just bothers you).
It wasn't a beauty contest that I was aware.

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Maggie dying made me feel no sympathy, but had it been Katie, I would've felt sadness.
The only sadness Katie's death could have provoked in me was that she could only die once.





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You make it sound either/or. And I'm not the first person to mention the necessity of a beautiful actress in the part.
You're not the only shallow one being wrong. No sir.

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The scriptwriter did that. If the script says.."well, hello, beautiful" you expect the person to be beautiful.
And that's in the eye of the beholder.

Now that said, wasn't that line supposed to be said by the Joker? Have you noticed that the Joker tends not to say things seriously all the time? Or that man at the party actually reminded him of his father? Or were all of those stories about his scars true?

You have to read the whole script before interpreting it.

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That's all. It has nothing to do with wanting to look at pretty women.
From what I read, for you it's all about that.

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As you say, I could do it any time, any where.
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Lots of talented AND beautiful women out there, why not use one of those?
Because some serious talent was required after that Holmes mediocre actress ruined part of BB.

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Old 07-27-2011, 11:51 PM   #129
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You make it sound either/or. And I'm not the first person to mention the necessity of a beautiful actress in the part. The scriptwriter did that. If the script says.."well, hello, beautiful" you expect the person to be beautiful. That's all. It has nothing to do with wanting to look at pretty women. As you say, I could do it any time, any where. Lots of talented AND beautiful women out there, why not use one of those?
You know the Joker only paid attention to her because of Harvey, right?

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Old 10-08-2011, 02:43 AM   #130
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This would've been good. They have a slight resemblance to each other and MM looks mature without looking old like Maggie. I need to find a clip of her talking because one thing I hated about Rachel in TDK was her gawd awful voice.

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Old 10-08-2011, 05:09 PM   #131
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Hated Katie Homes. Girl can't act. Maggie is better in every way.

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Old 10-14-2011, 04:23 PM   #132
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Jennifer Lopez would be awesome...

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Old 10-14-2011, 04:45 PM   #133
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Jennifer Lopez would be awesome...

Not in a Batman movie.

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Old 10-15-2011, 02:32 AM   #134
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Maggie is the better actress

But I felt there was a real chemistry between Bruce and Katies' Rachel

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Old 10-26-2011, 05:46 PM   #135
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Maggie in BB!

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Old 11-12-2011, 11:17 AM   #136
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Man, I've gone back & forth on this topic so many times. Ultimately I think I wish Katie was in TDK. Cuz I would have liked to see her handle the scenes in that flick. I think maybe she would have found her 'place' more the second time around. And who knows, maybe working with Heath in that one scene would have opened her up a little more, too. I didn't hate Maggie in the role, nor do I think she's a troll. But Michelle Monaghan would have been a pretty nice substitute.

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Old 11-13-2011, 09:17 AM   #137
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Man, I've gone back & forth on this topic so many times. Ultimately I think I wish Katie was in TDK. Cuz I would have liked to see her handle the scenes in that flick. I think maybe she would have found her 'place' more the second time around. And who knows, maybe working with Heath in that one scene would have opened her up a little more, too. I didn't hate Maggie in the role, nor do I think she's a troll. But Michelle Monaghan would have been a pretty nice substitute.
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Old 11-13-2011, 10:23 AM   #138
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Can I pick neither?

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Old 11-13-2011, 10:46 AM   #139
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Can I pick neither?
Heh. No Rachel at all. That's the real deal.

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Old 11-13-2011, 10:51 AM   #140
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LOL. Well... That isn't what I really meant, to be honest. Neither Katie or Maggie was ideal for the role, IMO. That said... if I had been making the new Batman franchise I probably wouldn't have chosen to create a new love interest type character who grew up with Bruce. It's really not very true to the character, he's supposed to be more of a loner than that. The only thing that prevents her from being worthless as a character is the emotional payoff of her death in TDK and the way it was useful as a plot device.

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Old 11-13-2011, 11:37 AM   #141
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LOL. Well... That isn't what I really meant, to be honest. Neither Katie or Maggie was ideal for the role, IMO. That said... if I had been making the new Batman franchise I probably wouldn't have chosen to create a new love interest type character who grew up with Bruce. It's really not very true to the character, he's supposed to be more of a loner than that. The only thing that prevents her from being worthless as a character is the emotional payoff of her death in TDK and the way it was useful as a plot device.
Exactly. Having this childhood girl friend for Bruce was nothing that I enjoyed. Couldn't get the point of it. And her being there when Bruce fell into the bats pit. And her being there for his parents' funeral and being there when Bruce made his decision. In fact being the one who told Brcue what to do.

I also hate that notion of heroes being in love with a girl since they were children. Like Peter Parker in Raimi movies or Bruce in Nolan's.

If anything Bruce should have seen her as a little sister, but not a love interest.

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Old 11-15-2011, 12:52 AM   #142
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Maggie Gyllenhaal, she's the better actress. I think the discussion about her looks get blown way out of proportion. She has bag under her eyes? Oh my God, I better burn my copy of TDK!!

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Old 11-15-2011, 10:45 AM   #143
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Heh. No Rachel at all. That's the real deal.
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Old 11-16-2011, 09:10 AM   #144
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Maggie is light-years better than Katie. They should have had a serious actress from the beginning.

Katie Holmes playing a DA is like Tara Reid playing a scientist.

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Old 11-16-2011, 02:12 PM   #145
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Katie Holmes playing a DA is like Tara Reid playing a scientist.
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Old 11-16-2011, 04:26 PM   #146
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Obviously Maggie is the better actress and did a better job but I don't like the character and wish it never existed.

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Old 11-16-2011, 04:30 PM   #147
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Ditto. There's so many female love interests to choose from in the Batman comics. I don't know why Nolan felt the need to invent one.

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Old 11-16-2011, 04:34 PM   #148
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Ditto. There's so many female love interests to choose from in the Batman comics. I don't know why Nolan felt the need to invent one.
Is there a female childhood friend who is both an assistant DA and love interest? Sometimes new characters have to be created to suit the story. Altering existing characters to fit it can only go so far.

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Is there a female childhood friend who is both an assistant DA and love interest? Sometimes new characters have to be created to suit the story. Altering existing characters to fit it can only go so far.
Right because making Ra's Al Ghul the man who trained Batman and taught him everything he knows is not already a huge change to Batman's origin. Heaven forbid if they made someone like Julie Madison or Silver St. Cloud someone he knew since childhood.

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Old 11-16-2011, 05:01 PM   #150
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Ditto. There's so many female love interests to choose from in the Batman comics. I don't know why Nolan felt the need to invent one.
I think he just needed a character that would be both Bruce's love interest AND childhood friend, and at the same time a moral guide. There wasnt a person like this in the comics

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