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![]() Abdul Rahman (L), Sayed Jamil (2nd L), Jawad (2nd R) and Zelghai (R) Afghan labourers who worked at the U.S. base in Bagram speak during an interview at a restaurant in Bagram north of Kabul February 23, 2012. In a small room near NATO's sprawling Bagram Airbase, Sayed Jamil fumes as he remembers how three U.S. soldiers ignored the pleas of fellow labourers not to burn dozens of copies of the Koran, the Muslim holy book. Source(s): Reuters, Press TV, Xinhua -- In this instance in February, over 25 people were killed in Afghanistan, mostly protestors from all over Afghanistan. Usually protests against the US were mainly in the Pashtun dominated South and East of the country. The protests spread to NATO strongholds of Kunduz, and Kabul. Here's another article with an eye witness: http://www.asianews.it/news-en/Fifth...ked-24075.html Here's a video of some of the early stages of the protests from RT news: -- Quote:
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The people protesting the streets of Cairo, Benghazi, Kabul, Jakarta, Quetta, Mumbai, are not Al Qaeda. They feel that the US is responsible for these videos because in some of those nations, the government controls what can be watched and they think (because they aren't educated enough) that the US purposely released these videos to attack them. This pent up aggression has been building for some time and was easily exploited by the extremists in Benghazi. Most average, frustrated people in the ME (and even outside the ME) feel that the American doctrine for the ME has been to build more bases, topple more governments, and kill civlians with impunity. They also have pent up distrust from the Israeli colonial experiment that is entirely one sided blind support and defense of Israel. There's a lot of problems there, but it's important to differentiate between the motives. Your accusation that they want to dominate the West through force and cohersion is absolutely ridiculous. There is a victim mentality in the ME and N. Africa. They feel they are the victims of the West since the imperial forces first landed on their shores. They mostly want a free, prosperous nation (after being dominated by the Ottomans, Brits, French, Americans, Dutch) without foreign interference, and ironically, they want foreign investment and trade. Quote:
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When The Daily Beast asked Jones if he felt he shared any responsibility for the deaths, Jones replied: “Absolutely not. We are here 1,000 miles away. Our actions pose absolutely no danger to their lifestyle. ... What it does, of course, is insult them, but that’s what freedom of speech does.” [Source Terry Jones has hate speech, wrapped in xenophobic ignorance, and served with a side of bigotry. He wanted to show 'extremists' that they had not 'won' on 9/11 with their victory mosque. With that brilliant statement, he unintentionally admitted that he associates Muslims in New York with Al Qaeda. Actually I just find that you contradicted yourself. If you associate the terrorists and their 'kill all' ideology who perpetrated the 9/11 attacks with real Muslims who don't believe in killing civilians, you have undoubtely reached the level of ignorance as Terry Jones in my opinion. |
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In regards to the bolded sentence, I’m not sure if you mean the extremists, the rest or all of them together. Do you deny that there are those who are the most public representatives of Islam such as Ahmadinejad who would gladly destroy every Jew in existence? As I said before, I do not believe that the majority of muslims condone the acts of the minority BUT they also will not stand up to them. The minority are the ones calling the shot and directing the behaviors of the majority so they are the ones we have to deal with. You seem to think education is the answer. I think they (the majority) already know what is going on but choose to take the easier path of passively following the lead of the extremist minority rather than try to stand up to them out of fear. Bottom line, what difference does it make if the majority of muslims are peace loving if the minority can have such a big effect on what goes on in the world. They (the minority) want to take over the world, they’re seeing this goal more successful in Europe each day. There are tons of news media video on youtube and not from Fox news that uncovers what is going on. Example: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5xRmKTD96po&feature=related While you argue about which portion is/is not the true representative of Islam, they (the minority) are slowly growing, spreading their influence, exerting their will and meeting less and less resistance because people like you want to say “Hey, the majority of them are peaceful” like that makes a difference when the peaceful don’t exert their majority advantage to quell the rise of the minority. Quote:
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Likewise, out of sensitivity to the feelings of the families of the victims of 9/11, a representation of the religion whose most vocal proponents perpetrated the 9/11 attacks should not be put on the site of that crime. But I guess the feelings of the innocent families of those victims are not as important to you as those of the passive ‘victims’ of the Islamic minority. |
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First, you are right: we completely disagree. I wish there were some families of holocaust survivors on here to give you their opinion on that. I guess if you've never personally been affected by a tragedy like the 9/11 attack it may be hard for you to be concerned about the feelings of those families and could allow you therefore to condone what others more sensitive to it would call a cruel action. I think it would be perceived as a slap in the face to the families who lost loved ones on 9/11. You even say if the victims' families embraced it but do you really personally hold that as a stipulation? From your previous posts it seems you are more concerned about the rights of the muslims who want the mosque than the feelings of the families of the victims. Second, I don't believe the extremists would get that messaga at all. I think they would consider it a victory because whether you acknowledge their claims to be muslim, to them they are and they would feel like they succeeded in adding insult to injury. As Tony Robbins says 'intention is nothing, meaning is everything'. In other words it doesn't matter what your intention is for doing something, all that matters is the way others interpret it. I see no way at all that the terrorists see a muslim mosque go up where they brought down the 2 towers and see it as anything other than something else they can brag about about the stupidity of America. The only way they would feel slighted would be if by doing that you somehow could make them think that they were not muslims and therefore had nothing to do with the mosque. Never happen. Their 'pathetic' attempts are gaining ground every day. The latest population to start embracing islam is prison inmates so I guess the ratio of 'non-violent' muslims will take a dive even further. It doesn't matter if you want to say they are really muslim or not. It doesn't matter that the ones you consider true muslims are peaceful. What matters is that there is a growing group of people who hate America and anyone who does not claim to be muslim. Those (mydnyte sun) who might believe that my accusation that they want to dominate the West through force and cohersion is absolutely ridiculous obviously ignore how they're rapidly taking over Europe. There are tons of newsreel videos on youtube, newcasts by CNN about how rapidly the movement is spreading. Shari'a law has already gotten a toehold in the UK and it will only get worse. I will post one more just for fun - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tbz1M...eature=related Again this isn't that 'racist islamaphobic Fox news' but Anderson Cooper. Just listen to some of the wonderful ideas this guy has for England. And to any who deny that there is a danger just look at the growth to date in such a short timeframe and do the math out 20-30 years into the future. They take over there and another term by as weak a president as obama and they'll start taking over here as well. One day they'll be telling you there identity: 'I'm the one telling you to convert (assuming you aren't already) or face the consequences.' |
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Alright guys, I heard today that the upside-down crucifix, submerged in urine, is on its way back to a NY art gallery/museum.
Should we expect to hear an apology from the Obama administration, denouncing the "artwork"?
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Thank you. It seems that our government only becomes apologetic when it comes to offending radical Muslims. Granted, that may be because their methods of reaction are extreme and violent and Christians tend to be far more calm. But still, the principles remain the same. You won't hear a single damn thing from the Obama administration on this.
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If Christians start revolutions in oil rich countries due to art work and videos then I bet whoever is in the White House will apologize.
It's called diplomacy and you do what you have to, to protect American interest.
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Wasn't the statement that got put out before the attacks (the one Romney blasted the Obama administration on) basically saying "the movie that offended you and your religion doesn't reflect our values and we respect other religions"? How is that an "apology", exactly? Saying "this film doesn't speak for all of America and it's government" isn't exactly an apology.
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Decrying attack, protesters overtake Islamist group's HQ in Benghazi From Arwa Damon, CNN September 22, 2012 -- Updated 0104 GMT (0904 HKT) Protesters march in Benghazi on Friday. Demonstrators later took over the headquarters of Ansar al-Sharia. STORY HIGHLIGHTS -Protesters ask troops to take control of an Islamist group's HQ, a general says -"I am sorry, America... This is the real Libya," a protester in Benghazi says -Hundreds take over the Ansar al-Sharia group's headquarters without firing a shot -That group is tied to an attack last week that left 4 Americans dead Benghazi, Libya (CNN) -- Ten days after four Americans were killed in their Libyan city, hundreds marched in Benghazi and took over the headquarters of a radical Islamist group tied to the attack. Thousands of protesters had taken to the street earlier Friday, loudly declaring that they -- and not those behind last week's deadly attack -- represent the real sentiments of the Libyan people. "I am sorry, America," one man said. "This is the real Libya." In the evening, an offshoot of several hundred people then headed toward the headquarters for Ansar al-Sharia, a loosely connected radical Islamist group. As militia members fled, the protesters torched a vehicle and took over the group's building without firing a single shot. Some of those involved claimed to have freed at least 20 captives held inside, and expressed their intent to assume control over other Ansar al-Sharia buildings. Army General Naji al-Shuaibi said the citizens, whom he referred to as "revolutionaries of the February 17 uprising," later asked that the Ansar al-Sharia headquarters be handed over to the Libyan army. "Indeed, we rushed here and we will now take it over," said the general. "There are also other places that we intend to take over (which belong to armed groups) if the revolutionaries and the people allow us to do so." Mohamed al-Magariaf, president of Libya's General National Congress, thanked the protesters for helping evict "armed groups." But some of the protesters gathered at locations that house forces loyal to the national authority, he said. He asked those demonstrators to stop their activities and go home. On the night of September 11, U.S. Ambassador Christopher Stevens was one of four Americans slain after a group assaulted the U.S. Consulate in the eastern Libyan city. Seen as the birthplace of the revolution that led to the death of longtime Libyan leader Moammar Gadhafi, Benghazi has in recent months been beset by security issues. Initial reports indicated that, ahead of the consular attack, Ansar al-Sharia had organized a protest to decry an inflammatory film that mocks the Prophet Mohammed and also protest the United States, where the film was privately produced. On Thursday, Libyan Prime Minister Mustafa Abushagur said eight detained in connection with that assault include members of Ansar al-Sharia, though he added that not all the attackers came from one specific group. Responding to the report from Benghazi, U.S. Sen. John McCain applauded the citizens' efforts Friday and said it represented the true, freedom-loving Libya that he and other U.S. officials involved in the country knew. "Somewhere Chris Stevens is smiling," the Arizona Republican said. "This is what we knew ... about Libya." Do you conceed now, sir? |
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Now headlining on MSNBC's website too!
http://worldnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2...ed-groups?lite I think it's only fair that people who accused all Libyans of being terrorists or terrorist sympathizers after the consulate attack now accuse all Libyans of being flag-waving, American supporters too! No, not really. But at least admit your blanket statements about the whole country were wrong. |
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Interesting developments.
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I'd give them a 10 minute standing ovation.
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I read where you stipulate that extremists can’t be muslims. In America, we have a two party system. Across these 2 parties, the stances range across the spectrum from extreme conservatism thru moderate/middle-of-the-road to extreme liberalism. But WHATEVER the stance of any representative of either of those parties, we are ALL Americans and no one has the power to deny citizenship to another just because that othe’s views might be more extreme that our own. Likewise, despite whatever power you seem to think you hold, you cannot deny muslim-hood (for lack of a better term) to those who are extremists just because they don’t fit into your narrow definition of ‘muslim’. It must seem very convenient to stae your point of view when you try to argue from your own made-up set of rules. Doesn’t quite work that way in the real world. And ‘I mean what the hell, dude?’ Can you actually say that with a French accent? Quote:
I will give you the benefit of the doubt though. When I talk about ‘muslims’ I am speaking of the extremist muslims. When you respond, I will allow that you may be talking about the OTHER muslims so we’re not actually taking about the same group of people. From here on understand that when I refer to muslims, unless I specify, I am speaking of the extreme muslims. If you respond, I will only assume you are responding about the same muslims I am referring to. So with that in mind, after viewing the video I showed a link to how can you say they are not trying to take over? Yes they don’t know what the **** they’re talking about. They just have video of the muslims themselves to back up what they report but that doesn’t support your argument so lets just call them xenophobes and try to put the onus on them instead of the muslims. One last thing, what is your view on Shari’a? Just curious as it is supposed to be the Islamic law and there is violence inherent in it. Last edited by Spider - Man; 09-22-2012 at 07:17 AM. |
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There is a awesome video on Youtube of a group of Islamist protesters in Australia yelling burn in hell infidels, Islam is the only solution, ect and then a large crowd of Atheist counter protesters turn up and start singing always look on the bright side of life. They just ridiculed them shouting "Where are the women?" and "ZZ Top".
The video is on Youtube under - Aussie Atheists Own Islamist Protesters | Ridicule is the Best Weapon I would post it here put there is a rude word or two used.
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Take a step back and think about what your post says right here. Displaying a hateful image before those who felt its persecution so try can, what? Learn to accept it? Six million Jews died because of what that swastika represents...THERE IS NO ACCEPTING THAT.
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But I'm still skeptical of American sympathies in most Mid-East nations that elect Muslim extremist into power. Hopefully more Muslims will stand up to the Jihadists. It really reflects better on their religion when the rest distance themselves from the hateful followers.
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