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Old 07-10-2011, 12:10 AM   #76
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UPDATE: SOUTH SUDAN CELEBRATES INDEPENDENCE
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Even though there are still attacks and fighting, in the long term this is an enormous step towards bigger peace.

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What used to be part of a country celebrating independence scares me, creeps me out more if the cause was civil war after a ridiculous reason(s), most humans fight over ridiculous reasons

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What used to be part of a country celebrating independence scares me, creeps me out more if the cause was civil war after a ridiculous reason(s), most humans fight over ridiculous reasons

What?

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What used to be part of a country celebrating independence scares me, creeps me out more if the cause was civil war after a ridiculous reason(s), most humans fight over ridiculous reasons
More like Sudan should have never been one huge country to begin with. The two Sudans were just incompatible culturally, ethnically, economically, etc. Add in the neglect that both the British, Egyptians, and North Sudanese gave to the southern region, and typical barbarian behavior in many parts of Africa (especially the Sudan), and you just can't be surprised that such a thing occurred. And it isn't scary that South Sudan wanted to get away from all that. Sudan should continue to be broken up.

As a matter in fact most African countries should be broken up into smaller countries and away from European drawn borders. It would create more peace and stability in the region.

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South Sudan has an awesome new flag. Really dig it. Just throwing that out there.

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Great article

http://www.theatlantic.com/internati...africa/241705/

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More like Sudan should have never been one huge country to begin with. The two Sudans were just incompatible culturally, ethnically, economically, etc. Add in the neglect that both the British, Egyptians, and North Sudanese gave to the southern region, and typical barbarian behavior in many parts of Africa (especially the Sudan), and you just can't be surprised that such a thing occurred. And it isn't scary that South Sudan wanted to get away from all that. Sudan should continue to be broken up.

As a matter in fact most African countries should be broken up into smaller countries and away from European drawn borders. It would create more peace and stability in the region.
Even if they were smaller countries they would still have the same problems and infighting. You still have North Sudanese fighting for control of oil in the south. Same with groups in Nigera fighting over oil with the goverment there for for control.

corruption, ethnic religious, or tribal fighting/prejudice and control over natural resources is the route to the majority of the problems in Africa.
Splitting into smaller countries won't change that and I wouldn't be surprised if a few years down the line a new group in the new south sudan gets fed up with the new goverment and starts another civil war.

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If there were smaller countries we wouldn't be having these problems. The North Sudanese wouldn't be fighting for control of oil in South Sudan because South Sudan is a separate sovereign entity. Somalia wouldn't be as bad as it is now if it were broken up. Nigeria wouldn't have the ethnic tensions it has if it were broken up in to nation-states that reflected ethnic and tribal boundaries.

In the end, right now Africa is just one big gigantic Yugoslavia and Soviet Union.

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If there were smaller countries we wouldn't be having these problems. The North Sudanese wouldn't be fighting for control of oil in South Sudan because South Sudan is a separate sovereign entity. Somalia wouldn't be as bad as it is now if it were broken up. Nigeria wouldn't have the ethnic tensions it has if it were broken up in to nation-states that reflected ethnic and tribal boundaries.

In the end, right now Africa is just one big gigantic Yugoslavia and Soviet Union.
Also wouldn't have Angola split in two parts by the Congo and Morocco as the occupiers of Western Sahara.

Of course, now South Sudan will be China's next umm.....victim.

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More like Sudan should have never been one huge country to begin with. The two Sudans were just incompatible culturally, ethnically, economically, etc. Add in the neglect that both the British, Egyptians, and North Sudanese gave to the southern region, and typical barbarian behavior in many parts of Africa (especially the Sudan), and you just can't be surprised that such a thing occurred. And it isn't scary that South Sudan wanted to get away from all that. Sudan should continue to be broken up.

As a matter in fact most African countries should be broken up into smaller countries and away from European drawn borders. It would create more peace and stability in the region.
You understood what he said.....????

Boy, I didn't...lol

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I think Sudan splitting in two is a good thing. Hopefully this will be a step towards ending the violence

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I think Sudan splitting in two is a good thing. Hopefully this will be a step towards ending the violence
Now when somebody talks about the Sudan, you're going to have to ask yourself which one?

But in reality this is a great step for peace in Africa, hopefully the legacy of the war and genocide will only improve from this point on.

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Now when somebody talks about the Sudan, you're going to have to ask yourself which one?

But in reality this is a great step for peace in Africa, hopefully the legacy of the war and genocide will only improve from this point on.
Lord I hope so

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In order for it to improve, Sudan needs to break up some more. Same with other African countries.

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There will be no peace in that region of Africa until Joseph Kony is captured and or killed....

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There will be no peace in that region of Africa until Joseph Kony is captured and or killed....
Getting rid of Kony (and various other brutal terrorists and warlords) is just one thing that needs to be done. But doing one thing will not solve the problem. Breaking up Nigeria, what is left of Sudan, Somalia, and other African states to better reflect various ethnic groups is one. Dealing with all the corruption is another. Dealing with economic and political reforms is another.

Just so much has to be done.

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Some of those African leaders aren't going to allow for the breakup of their countries and some of those guys have been in power for so long, that they fought against European rule (like Dos Santos in Angola or the father of the President of the DR Congo). Those guys will do everything in their power to prevent separatists movements, using force to crush dissent.

Other independence movements in Sub Saharan Africa won't be as peaceful as South Sudan's was and will probably result in more Yugoslavia's than Czechoslovakia.

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Getting rid of Kony (and various other brutal terrorists and warlords) is just one thing that needs to be done. But doing one thing will not solve the problem. Breaking up Nigeria, what is left of Sudan, Somalia, and other African states to better reflect various ethnic groups is one. Dealing with all the corruption is another. Dealing with economic and political reforms is another.

Just so much has to be done.
Just 3 years ago Joseph Kony was devestating Northern Uganda, he has been pushed out and into other countries and within 3 years the schools in that region are being rebuilt at a fast pace, people are moving back near the schools and out of the IDP camps....

The US has a bill that was passed, that specifically names Kony, specifically says we will help capture him.....yet we spend money in Libya where the congress wasn't even asked.

Our word around the world no longer means ****...

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Some of those African leaders aren't going to allow for the breakup of their countries and some of those guys have been in power for so long, that they fought against European rule (like Dos Santos in Angola or the father of the President of the DR Congo). Those guys will do everything in their power to prevent separatists movements, using force to crush dissent.

Other independence movements in Sub Saharan Africa won't be as peaceful as South Sudan's was and will probably result in more Yugoslavia's than Czechoslovakia.
Peaceful as South Sudan's???? what?????? did you forget about Darfur? The Janjaweed? 100's of 1,000's died at their hands long before this was done.

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South Sudan's was not peaceful.

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Peaceful as South Sudan's???? what?????? did you forget about Darfur? The Janjaweed? 100's of 1,000's died at their hands long before this was done.
I was referring to the independence referendum in January.

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Well, signing a piece of paper usually is peaceful. What lead up to it was not...

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South Sudan's Independence is more legit at this point then Kosovo's independence is.

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South Sudan's Independence is more legit at this point then Kosovo's independence is.
Those who haven't recognized Kosovo as independent aren't doing so for ******** reasons (the few European nations that don't are doing it because they don't want to inspire separatist movements within their nations, Russia is being Russia, etc.). Most of the European Union, most of the industrialized world, and the International Court of Justice declared Kosovo's independence to be legal.

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Those who haven't recognized Kosovo as independent aren't doing so for ******** reasons (the few European nations that don't are doing it because they don't want to inspire separatist movements within their nations, Russia is being Russia, etc.). Most of the European Union, most of the industrialized world, and the International Court of Justice declared Kosovo's independence to be legal.
And Kosovo is one of the reasons that is preventing Serbia from joining the European Union.

South Sudan can compete at next year's Olympic games, but likely under another flag:

http://www.borglobe.com/11.html?m7:p...mpete-at-games

In other words, South Sudan won't make their official Olympic debuts until the Rio Games in 2016.

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