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Old 04-08-2011, 09:37 AM   #51
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It will be simple for the American people - especially the working families who wind up harmed by a shutdown - to look back and see who advocated for it, who rejoiced over it, who said they didn't care if people lost pay, and who characterized government workers as worthless. The public won't need to reason which party kicked the events off, whether continuing resolutions are really budgets, if Pelosi did this or that, if Reid didn't bring something to a vote - all they have to do is look back at who was loudest in applauding a shutdown.

And for those who think that this shutdown, if it happens, is going to perform some structural change in government, reduce the size of government, or save money - you are dreaming. Any shutdown will be relatively short-lived (although painful for many who experience it), then agreements will be made, and things will be back to normal. A shutdown isn't "killing the beast", ridding government of waste, making government smaller and leaner, or anything like that.

Good luck to all who may have to weather this, all on account of ideological demands about typical GOP targets like Planned Parenthood, NPR, and the EPA. Very similar to the riders the GOP demanded when they effected a shutdown in the Clinton years. It never has been about saving money.

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Old 04-08-2011, 10:05 AM   #52
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how much does it cost to print money? take some of that money that congress will still be getting paid and put it towards printing some money for this mess.

shoot, borrow some from these hundred millionaire sports players heh

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Old 04-08-2011, 11:11 AM   #53
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That leads us into massive inflation....and since most jobs, mine included are no longer giving "cost of living" and the usual 3% - 4% raises for inflation....that is not a good thing.

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Old 04-08-2011, 11:42 AM   #54
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People need to wake up. It's part of their plan to cause as much division, chaos, and confusion as much as possible. I wouldn't be surprised if this was created by BOTH or ALL parties to keep the people in check. I view this as "When you question us, get angry or demand answers, we're going to cut off your funding and show you who's really in charge."

Doesn't it strike anyone as odd that when the American people get pissed off and want answers something like Japan happens, a Federal Shutdown is threatened, and of course an aftershock in Japan happens. All of which are used to divert attention to the real issues. Notice how a couple of weeks ago this shutdown wasn't mentioned in the media, well, not entirely true, however they had a small blip and it wasn't mentioned.

Then on the week of the event it's all every channel, every radio station, newspaper articles, and etc. You'd think the reality of people not being able to work, toxic waste being left untreated, gas prices being insane, and the fact that families NOW might not be able to make it would be big news. But no all we hear about is Obama's vacation, we hear about all the Republican entertainment news, Paris Hilton, Brad Pitt, and a bunch of other NON-NEWS material that distracts the public.

I am ashamed that I even voted for Obama, I am ashamed that I even allowed myself to believe that the whole Democrats or Republican was about right and wrong when I see it's really about "It doesn't matter if you vote liberal, conservative, libertarian, or independent we'll still screw you for four or eight years."

I don't know where you get your news but the story of potential shutdown has been on all over national publications (NYTimes, WSJ, Time, etc.) and cable news has been covering it for months. We keep getting nearer and nearer a shutdown every month and then a CR is passed a few days before the **** hits the fan and the story is pushed on for 3-4 weeks down the road.

People who don't pay attention are only noticing now because this is the closest we've gotten and it looks like the government is going to shutdown tonight. But it's not like the story was a "blip."

P.S. Insinuating the US government was behind the earthquake(s) in Japan? Reeeeeeeeeeaaaaaaallllllllyyyyyy??????

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Old 04-08-2011, 11:43 AM   #55
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If the Military is not even getting paid then send them home I say
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If they cant afford to pay them how are they going to afford to send them home?

My biggest question is I am going to school on the 9/11 GI Bill...am I going to see my housing allowance next month?

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P.S. Insinuating the US government was behind the earthquake(s) in Japan? Reeeeeeeeeeaaaaaaallllllllyyyyyy??????
someone has been reading too many comic books

as if we'd hurt our biggest ally against China and North Korea

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Old 04-08-2011, 11:50 AM   #57
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It will be simple for the American people - especially the working families who wind up harmed by a shutdown - to look back and see who advocated for it, who rejoiced over it, who said they didn't care if people lost pay, and who characterized government workers as worthless. The public won't need to reason which party kicked the events off, whether continuing resolutions are really budgets, if Pelosi did this or that, if Reid didn't bring something to a vote - all they have to do is look back at who was loudest in applauding a shutdown.

And for those who think that this shutdown, if it happens, is going to perform some structural change in government, reduce the size of government, or save money - you are dreaming. Any shutdown will be relatively short-lived (although painful for many who experience it), then agreements will be made, and things will be back to normal. A shutdown isn't "killing the beast", ridding government of waste, making government smaller and leaner, or anything like that.

Good luck to all who may have to weather this, all on account of ideological demands about typical GOP targets like Planned Parenthood, NPR, and the EPA. Very similar to the riders the GOP demanded when they effected a shutdown in the Clinton years. It never has been about saving money.
Indeed. I like how Tea Party groups and leaders (like Palin) are coming out and saying blame Obama....when there is footage of Mike Pence and Michelle Bachmann standing in front of Tea Partiers outside the Capitol Building yesterday who are yelling "Shut 'er down!!!!" with the kind of joy they reserve for Palin rallies.

What's ironic is if the Tea Party freshmen had any sense, they'd save this huge shutdown showdown for the 2012 FY budget. Y'know, the one where TRILLIONS OF DOLLARS are at stake, as is the FUTURE OF MEDICARE. Instead, they're blowing all their political capital on $30 billion. They already won $33 billion (rumored to be up to as high as $38 billion now), but because they moved the goal posts and think a) compromise is a dirty word, b) public employees are worthless, and c) They want to use the budget to play social engineers on things like Planned Parenthood and environmental protection...

Well here we are. I hope they get buried with this.

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Old 04-08-2011, 02:58 PM   #59
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Teach the tea party at the expense of all the people that rely on the government? No, what he is saying is that people would blame the GOP and come back over to their side to be votes:



I love it how you think the GOP is this evil monster and the DNC is a poor rabbit huddling in the corner and shivering out of fear.
Yes, if you listen to both Republicans and Teabags they want the government to be shut down... if they can't get their agenda accross, which is the elimination of programs that people rely on from the government. The GOP should be blamed for this, because they are the ones that are causing it. Stop being naive.

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Old 04-08-2011, 03:27 PM   #60
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So does half pay for me mean i should put in half the work, or suck it up? lol

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Old 04-08-2011, 03:29 PM   #61
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I kinda hope Someone up high just says Screw it and discloses that we've had capabilities of free energy for years now

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Old 04-08-2011, 03:30 PM   #62
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Yes, if you listen to both Republicans and Teabags they want the government to be shut down... if they can't get their agenda accross, which is the elimination of programs that people rely on from the government. The GOP should be blamed for this, because they are the ones that are causing it. Stop being naive.
I love how you just ignore big DNC names saying that a shutdown would do well for them politically and then turn around and point fingers at the GOP. Wake up, they are both filled with DOUCHE BAGS.

How is the GOP squarely to be blamed for this when Obama and Pelosi had the chance months ago to do this...ya know...when they were supposed to? Why didn't they do it then? Plus the Democrats in Washington can't agree to 30 billion more in cuts when our federal debt is well over 14 trillion and 30 billion is less than 1% of the entire budget for the year?

You are calling me naive?

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I don't know where you get your news but the story of potential shutdown has been on all over national publications (NYTimes, WSJ, Time, etc.) and cable news has been covering it for months. We keep getting nearer and nearer a shutdown every month and then a CR is passed a few days before the **** hits the fan and the story is pushed on for 3-4 weeks down the road.

People who don't pay attention are only noticing now because this is the closest we've gotten and it looks like the government is going to shutdown tonight. But it's not like the story was a "blip."

P.S. Insinuating the US government was behind the earthquake(s) in Japan? Reeeeeeeeeeaaaaaaallllllllyyyyyy??????
I view it to where I don't put anything past these snakes in the government.

It's enough to cause a distraction and keep peoples attention away from their thievery. Is it impossible? Well, I don't like to view anything as impossible but to someone elses perspective it would be. But I see the government as doing anything and everything to make sure that people are misinformed, uneducated, and forcing their heads into the sand.

Now let me put this way, I don't read the NYTimes or any other of the news stations/publications you mentioned since in my opinion they're part of the mainstream media. Admittely I don't watch a lot of news, however, whenever I did catch it I rarely saw anything about a Federal Shutdown.

I heard more about Japan than anything else. But that's another story.

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I love how you just ignore big DNC names saying that a shutdown would do well for them politically and then turn around and point fingers at the GOP. Wake up, they are both filled with DOUCHE BAGS.

How is the GOP squarely to be blamed for this when Obama and Pelosi had the chance months ago to do this...ya know...when they were supposed to? Why didn't they do it then? Plus the Democrats in Washington can't agree to 30 billion more in cuts when our federal debt is well over 14 trillion and 30 billion is less than 1% of the entire budget for the year?

You are calling me naive?
Howard Dean hasn't been head of the DNC since 2009. He is currently a private citizen. No one in the Democratic Party who is in any position to make legislation has been calling for a shut down of government. It has all along been the GOP (since last year when they said that it would be more appropriate for the new Congress to take up the budget - they even filibustered any attempt to pass one before year end of 2010). Certainly the GOP can be squarely blamed for this because of the type of legislation they have been producing. Just yesterday in the House of Representatives, the GOP tried to push a bill that would continue government operations for an additional week, but it was filled with riders (such as the undoing HCR or taking away the EPA's ability to regulate greenhouse gasses) that everyone knew would not pass through the Senate. If they were sincere about not shutting down the government and working across the isle, they would have passed the legislation without these riders, but they didn't. In fact, the Democrats proposed to pass legislation to continue government for an additional week with out the radical request (first as a clean bill without the riders and then as an amendment to the GOP to take them out) and the GOP voted it down. Secondly, the GOP were told that CR that they proposed to pass would be vetoed by the President himself, but they still went and passed it. If they were sincere about not having the government shut down, they would have passed legislation that everyone would agree on instead of pushing legislation that had no chance of even making it to the President's desk.

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UPDATE: LIST OF EFFECTS ON DIFFERENT GOVERNMENT OFFICES DURING 'GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWN'
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UPDATE: MILITARY SUPPORTERS TAKE ANGER TO FACEBOOK OVER SHUTDOWN
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UPDATE: CNN IS BLOGGING ALL OF THE LATEST 'SHUTDOWN' DEVELOPMENTS
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...they have been regularly blogging since early this morning.

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SENATOR REID: SHUTDOWN RISK IS '50/50'
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Something to think about in this mess:
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*sighs*

Dear God, the world is about to come to an end....




Good grief, the only person that was hurt by the last shut down was Gingrich....people need to calm the hell down and let Boehner screw himself.

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Considering all the **** going on in Japan and Libya that we're supposed to be dealing with, is a shutdown really the best thing to broadcast to the rest of the world? Basically saying we can't even manage our own house.

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Good grief, the only person that was hurt by the last shut down was Gingrich....people need to calm the hell down and let Boehner screw himself.
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Umm, not to be Johnny Raincloud here, but shouldn't we all be panicking?

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Why?

Have you not filed your tax returns, and you do it on the paper form?

Do you have a vacation planned to Yosemite this weekend?

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Umm, not to be Johnny Raincloud here, but shouldn't we all be panicking?
why? Not the end of the world

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