Hulk Vs Thor - The Movie Edition

[Golgo-13]

Originally Posted by BigThor

I thought it was pretty clear since the fight got horribly one-sided once Thor got serious, I mean honestly it common knowledge that Thor always holds back against Loki. I also listed 2 other reasons, but I didn't expect you to do anything other than find something to disagree with (like always).

The ONE reason that jyd_me gave overwrites all three of your reasons, so i didn't list them all. Or maybe i should have...just for you. You can post 100 reasons if you like, it's about quality NOT quantity. jyd_me's reason was significant and logical enough without your 'it's common knowledge' excuses.

Obviously it isn't common knowledge if i'm questioning it. You act like Thor holding back against Loki, or Thor holding back whenever he's obviously being over powered by anyone, is as common knowledge as the sky is blue, or grass is green.

Fact #1 - Thor couldn't use the full extent of his power without damaging the helicarrier, you haven't provided an argument against this yet.

Fact #2- Thor always holds back against Loki due to emotional ties as is the case with most brothers.

You're confusing "excuses" with actual reasons and one's that you can't seem to counter at that, you're bad.

I researched Thor on Marvel wiki and some other sources and could see no indications of your so called FACTS listed under Thors list of characteristics, personality nor abilities.

Therefore, here's a FACT for you; Your FACTS aren't FACTS. They're your opinion!

I have yet to see 'Thor constantly holds back against Loki' listed on the bacck of any Thor toy, character bio, or the like!

It's not much of a "versus" since he's ignoring all of my points and nitpicking bits and pieces since he can't seem to counter my stance.

Like i mentioned above, i don't like to individually rebute every single claim you make. I'd be typing from now til christmas if that was the case. I pick out the most important, and most significant items to make my points. Again, quality over quantity.

[BigThor]

Originally Posted by Golgo-13

The ONE reason that jyd_me gave overwrites all three of your reasons, so i didn't list them all. Or maybe i should have...just for you. You can post 100 reasons if you like, it's about quality NOT quantity. jyd_me's reason was significant and logical enough without your 'it's common knowledge' excuses.

Obviously it isn't common knowledge if i'm questioning it. You act like Thor holding back against Loki, or Thor holding back whenever he's obviously being over powered by anyone, is as common knowledge as the sky is blue, or grass is green.

It doesn't overwrite anything since he's basically said the same thing I said, but ok that's your opinion so whatever . Thor holding back against Loki is common knowledge IF you know anything about Thor which you obviously don't.

I don't see how you don't understand Thor not being able to use his powers in an aircraft carrier, let's be reasonable here.

[jyd_me]

Originally Posted by BigThor

It doesn't overwrite anything since he's basically said the same thing I said, but ok that's your opinion so whatever . Thor holding back against Loki is common knowledge IF you know anything about Thor which you obviously don't.

I don't see how you don't understand Thor not being able to use his powers in an aircraft carrier, let's be reasonable here.

In my opinion, both Thor and Loki were holding back. Thor could've used his lightning whereas Loki could've used his magic spells. Instead, both decided to duel physically.

Nobody wins.

[iTHANOS]

Originally Posted by jyd_me

In my opinion, both Thor and Loki were holding back. Thor could've used his lightning whereas Loki could've used his magic spells. Instead, both decided to duel physically.

Nobody wins.

That was my point, they duelled physically and even though Thor did kick lokis ass it wasnt by much. Thor was obviously injured after the fight as seen by the landing shortly after. And please dont think Im trolling, I just call it the way I see it .

[Golgo-13]

^Yeah,i hear ya. Whenever someone points out Thors weakness around here, they're accused of trolling. Go figure.

[BigThor]

Originally Posted by iTHANOS

That was my point, they duelled physically and even though Thor did kick lokis ass it wasnt by much. Thor was obviously injured after the fight as seen by the landing shortly after. And please dont think Im trolling, I just call it the way I see it .

Thor didn't win by much?

After Loki got those two hits in the beginning Thor pretty much gave him a "big brother" pummeling for the rest of the fight.



Oh and once again Golgo fails to disprove my points and resorts to making "sly" remarks, so on my "ignore list" he goes.

[jaqua99]

Couple things worth noting I think. Regarding their fight, it was a stalemate. I think that was the point. But as for who would win, Its tough to say. Given the circumstances, I don't see a MCU hulk being able to take Thor if he cut loose like he did in the frost giant fight. That was just impressive. When he was spinning his hammer AND striking the frost giants at the same time (kind of like, almost powering up his hits by spinning the hammer), those hits were much harder and and more devastating than any hammer strike in the avengers, even the uppercut towards Hulk. I don't see Hulk being able to take on Thor if he is fighting Hulk like that PLUS lightning., based on what he have seen Hulk's damage threshold in the MCU.

However, it may seem that way, but given that we haven't really seen Thor's pain threshold in the MCU yet, and we have seen Hulk's, its tough to say, since we haven't really seen what Thor can take.

We saw Hulk getting knocked around for a bit by Abomination. Not enough to put him down, but we know what kind of impact was enough to bother him. The 30,000 foot drop knocked him out, since he landed there, I'd assume it knocked him out, since he didn't go anywhere. He turned into banner in the same spot, so I assume that dropped knocked hi out (argue-able, I know, don't jump at my throat), and when those like, 20 chi'tauri ships shot at him, it was enough to bother him, and put him down for a little while. So we know what Hulk can take, what is enough to bother him.

Unfortunately, we haven't really seen what Thor can take. His biggest threat was the destroyer (well, maybe not lol), I was hoping for Thor to get knocked around, but clearly that didn't happen. All we saw happen to Thor was taking a Hulk punch, and 2 Hulk throws, and he was completely fine from that. and walking away from a 30,000 foot drop.

Obviously we haven't seen him fight abomination, and he didn't get shot at by 20 ships. So we don't know how that would have turned out.

We have seen what they they can dish out, it seemed about similar, however, their defense is what is questionable. Granted, I see Thor having an offensive advantage simply due to lightning and fighting skill. But that's it. Until Thor gets hurt and beat around, we won't be able to see what Thor can take, and who would come out on top. Because he won't be able to tank Hulk's attacks

I am listening to Walk of Life by Dire Straits right now, and I am just picturing the Hulk and Thor fight, while listening to this song, its really funny actually haha.

[jyd_me]

Thor got stabbed by Loki and was limping a bit afterwards, so we know he's not invincible. A couple of more stabs would definitely put Thor down...haha.

[eeffos]

Originally Posted by jyd_me

In my opinion, both Thor and Loki were holding back. Thor could've used his lightning whereas Loki could've used his magic spells. Instead, both decided to duel physically.

Nobody wins.

I think we the fans got lucky because we got Whedon as the writer / director. He is a true fan of all the characters and knows the history of each. His love for the characters meant that he was not going to have any of the avengers be embarrassed in any confrontation. In each show down (Thor vs Iron Man and Thor vs Hulk) each hero gets their shots in, their moment to shine. But Whedon makes sure no one dominates, no one wins. God knows if we had any other writer and director doing this movie, some of our worst fears would have come to happen(e.g., Cap knocking Hulk out with one punch, etc). He even made sure to have Cap shine against Thor blocking that hammer blow......awesome scene!

[jaqua99]

Originally Posted by eeffos

I think we the fans got lucky because we got Whedon as the writer / director. He is a true fan of all the characters and knows the history of each. His love for the characters meant that he was not going to have any of the avengers be embarrassed in any confrontation. In each show down (Thor vs Iron Man and Thor vs Hulk) each hero gets their shots in, their moment to shine. But Whedon makes sure no one dominates, no one wins. God knows if we had any other writer and director doing this movie, some of our worst fears would have come to happen(e.g., Cap knocking Hulk out with one punch, etc). He even made sure to have Cap shine against Thor blocking that hammer blow......awesome scene!

Agreed, though, the Ironman and Thor fight, even though they both got in even blows, to me it seemed very one sided

[BigThor]

Originally Posted by jaqua99

Agreed, though, the Ironman and Thor fight, even though they both got in even blows, to me it seemed very one sided

Yeah it was basically Iron Man was just holding his own and surviving until Thor would've inevitably takes him out of the fight.

[SlackBrian]

This thread reminds me a lot of that "Thanos vs Doctor Doom" thread in the Marvel comics section. There are two sides to it, and they start debating civilly, until it degrades into full out arguments. If this was in person, I'd imagine punches would be thrown.

But... since we're here...

Thor > Hulk... because he's Thor. That's my argument. He's Thor. Same as Doom > Thanos. Because he's effin' Doom, that's why.

[Chronoless]

Doom > Thanos? no... just no... Popularity yes, Power No.

That kind of mind is why Hulk became stronger than Thor (Strength wise), Thor was created to be more stronger, but Hulk = more popular than Thor, so over time Marvel made Hulk Stronger than Thor and now we are having this debate.

That is also how DC gave Batman kryptonite in his belt now. because we all know, superman could easily Speed blitz Batman and beat him before he reacts, but what happens? Batman is able to pull out the kryptonite before superman reacts.

[BigThor]

Originally Posted by Chronoless

Doom > Thanos? no... just no... Popularity yes, Power No.

That kind of mind is why Hulk became stronger than Thor (Strength wise), Thor was created to be more stronger, but Hulk = more popular than Thor, so over time Marvel made Hulk Stronger than Thor and now we are having this debate.

That is also how DC gave Batman kryptonite in his belt now. because we all know, superman could easily Speed blitz Batman and beat him before he reacts, but what happens? Batman is able to pull out the kryptonite before superman reacts.

QUOTE FOR ****IN' TRUTH!

[SlackBrian]

Never said anything about Doom vs Thanos power-wise. I just said "Doom>Thanos". Power levels fluctuate given the whims of a writer on a particular story. My post was to point out the sheer ridiculousness of these arguments, since... well, it's not like there's an exact science to this. And that just leads to ridiculous arguments. Like this page, and the Doom/Thanos example I gave.

I said Doom>Thanos, because I like the character of Doom more than Thanos. That's it, that's my reason. Because that's all that matters. The characters. Everything else is just a (fluctuating) plot device. Arguing over who's more powerful, and getting into legitimate, heated debates about it is just... nuts.

[BigThor]

Originally Posted by SlackBrian

Never said anything about Doom vs Thanos power-wise. I just said "Doom>Thanos". Power levels fluctuate given the whims of a writer on a particular story. My post was to point out the sheer ridiculousness of these arguments, since... well, it's not like there's an exact science to this. And that just leads to ridiculous arguments. Like this page, and the Doom/Thanos example I gave.

I said Doom>Thanos, because I like the character of Doom more than Thanos. That's it, that's my reason. Because that's all that matters. The characters. Everything else is just a (fluctuating) plot device. Arguing over who's more powerful, and getting into legitimate, heated debates about it is just... nuts.

I know I've been guilty of doing that alot, but I can't help but to strongly agree with that last sentence.

[SlackBrian]

Originally Posted by BigThor

I know I've been guilty of doing that alot, but I can't help but to strongly agree with that last sentence.

The way I look at it, a character's powers facilitate the story. Superman has great strength and speed. Thor has the power of the elements, strength and wisdom. Hulk gets stronger the angrier he gets. All that is fantastic. But the stories aren't ABOUT these powers. Superman uses his strength to protect those who can't protect themselves, because that's how he was raised. Thor fights for his kingdom and the many realms because he feels it is his duty, and it is his obligation to uphold what is right and fight off what is wrong. The Hulk is constantly persecuted and hunted, and his constant paranoia and fear just feeds into his rage, and into his curse.

So, in that sense, it doesn't matter who's strongest. Sure, it's fine to have fun little debates about it, but when it goes overboard, it's a little nuts. The characters are interesting not because of who can lift the most, or punch the hardest, but because of what they do with those powers.

[BigThor]

Originally Posted by SlackBrian

The way I look at it, a character's powers facilitate the story. Superman has great strength and speed. Thor has the power of the elements, strength and wisdom. Hulk gets stronger the angrier he gets. All that is fantastic. But the stories aren't ABOUT these powers. Superman uses his strength to protect those who can't protect themselves, because that's how he was raised. Thor fights for his kingdom and the many realms because he feels it is his duty, and it is his obligation to uphold what is right and fight off what is wrong. The Hulk is constantly persecuted and hunted, and his constant paranoia and fear just feeds into his rage, and into his curse.

So, in that sense, it doesn't matter who's strongest. Sure, it's fine to have fun little debates about it, but when it goes overboard, it's a little nuts. The characters are interesting not because of who can lift the most, or punch the hardest, but because of what they do with those powers.

You're dead on, I couldn't agree more Slack B!

[jaqua99]

Originally Posted by SlackBrian

This thread reminds me a lot of that "Thanos vs Doctor Doom" thread in the Marvel comics section. There are two sides to it, and they start debating civilly, until it degrades into full out arguments. If this was in person, I'd imagine punches would be thrown.

But... since we're here...

Thor > Hulk... because he's Thor. That's my argument. He's Thor. Same as Doom > Thanos. Because he's effin' Doom, that's why.

Even with Prep Thanos>Doom

Originally Posted by Chronoless

Doom > Thanos? no... just no... Popularity yes, Power No.

That kind of mind is why Hulk became stronger than Thor (Strength wise), Thor was created to be more stronger, but Hulk = more popular than Thor, so over time Marvel made Hulk Stronger than Thor and now we are having this debate.

That is also how DC gave Batman kryptonite in his belt now. because we all know, superman could easily Speed blitz Batman and beat him before he reacts, but what happens? Batman is able to pull out the kryptonite before superman reacts.

Nail on the head.

Originally Posted by SlackBrian

Never said anything about Doom vs Thanos power-wise. I just said "Doom>Thanos". Power levels fluctuate given the whims of a writer on a particular story. My post was to point out the sheer ridiculousness of these arguments, since... well, it's not like there's an exact science to this. And that just leads to ridiculous arguments. Like this page, and the Doom/Thanos example I gave.

I said Doom>Thanos, because I like the character of Doom more than Thanos. That's it, that's my reason. Because that's all that matters. The characters. Everything else is just a (fluctuating) plot device. Arguing over who's more powerful, and getting into legitimate, heated debates about it is just... nuts.

Oh gotcha.