Do you think Marvel will ever get the rights back from Sony & Fox?

[Bubonic]

Originally Posted by roach

"Let me get this straight...you want us to give up these characters that have made us so much money....are you crazy?"

*le sigh*

EDIT:my awesome list is wasted here, let it live or die in it's own thread.
http://forums.superherohype.com/showthread.php?t=357555

[Bubonic]

My logic here is simple, for all the properties we've never even heard talk of I assume that Marvel Studios has them by default, and I don't think any of the characters or teams I've mentioned are composed of mutants or have ties to Blade, Spiderman, Ghost Rider, or the Fantastic Four(Namor and Black Panther do but I've already been told many times Marvel Studios has these.

[babykhris]

Question if Sony Pictures go under and say Universal or Lionsgate buys them. Does Marvel have an out clause to get Spidey & GR or do they have to deal with the new owners?

[roach]

To be honest I dont think Sony is going anywhere.

[WildcatNC]

Originally Posted by roach

To be honest I dont think Sony is going anywhere.

Sony isn't going anywhere. The crux is that they are in financial trouble and the "entertainment" division could be a casualty of trying to regain profitability. They are primarily an electronics company, so if something HAD to go, the only really valuable asset they have thats not electronics based is their movie properties.

We will see, its just speculation. I can see where its possible though.

[Nell2ThaIzzay]

Originally Posted by Godzilla2014

I'm not exactly sure that comic book movies are a passing fad, at least not in the same way that people thought it was back in the early 2000s. Then again, initially people thought the Soviet Union would be short-lived, but by the 1980s, people thought it would be around forever. Then it collapsed in 1991.

I think it maybe that the genre has been reborn and here to stay as long as there are good movies coming out of it that audiences want to see. Which is obvious because that's how free market capitalism works. I'm not so sure that the comic book movie market will collapse in on itself like a neutron star anymore. I mean, it seems like a ton of romantic comedies are coming out that people hate, but that genre isn't dead yet. The health of the superhero movie genre is excellent, with a lot of theatrical releases being praised by movie goers and critics alike. 2 years ago, THE DARK KNIGHT broke a glass ceiling because Heath Ledger was the first person to earn an Oscar for a superhero movie in a category outside of special effects, and especially acting. Superhero movies have advanced far beyond what they were at the time of the BATMAN & ROBIN-induced crash of 1997.

I think the difference is that most of the A-list properties have already been exhausted, and once the only movies coming out are either D-list properties, or reboot rehashes of the same thing, then yea, audiences are gonna burn out and the genre is gonna fizzle.

[Godzilla2014]

Originally Posted by Nell2ThaIzzay

I think the difference is that most of the A-list properties have already been exhausted, and once the only movies coming out are either D-list properties, or reboot rehashes of the same thing, then yea, audiences are gonna burn out and the genre is gonna fizzle.

How are romantic comedies any different? Quite frankly, I think audiences don't care if they are seeing the same A-list character again or a D-list character, so long as it's a good film. Not many cried, "Six Batman films in 2 decades is too many!" when The Dark Knight came out. Nor did I hear, "Iron Man is getting a film? Really?" when Iron Man was released.

[GoblinScrier]

Could Disney/Marvel seek out one character from the Fox rights and seek that one out to get back? As much as I am a F4 mark and want the family back with Marvel, I would pretty much say sacrifice Spiderman/F4/Daredevil/X-Men to get Dr. Doom back to Marvel...I just want to see an EPIC Doom with Latveria and such...mind you, it would be better to have the F4 with him because of the Richards connection but still, a GOOD Doom with no F4 ties in the movie is better than NO Doom or a poorly Fox conceived Doom....

[roach]

what you guys fail to realize is everything is a fad in hollywood. What goes up must come down. Westerns were popular...then they declined. Giant Monster movies were popular...then they declined. Disaster films were popular and then they declined.
Superhero movies will decline. Its not a matter of 'IF" is a matter of "WHEN". Every summer more and more superhero movies are being released with more on the horizon.
The GA will be tired.
Imagine if you will that you favorite food it pizza. You have it every once in a while and it is delicious. Then you decide you want it everyday. Every day week in week out you have pizza. Pepperoni, Cheese, Meat Lovers, Hawaiian, Supreme....you eat it all....after some time you will be tired of pizza.

[roach]

Originally Posted by GoblinScrier

Could Disney/Marvel seek out one character from the Fox rights and seek that one out to get back? As much as I am a F4 mark and want the family back with Marvel, I would pretty much say sacrifice Spiderman/F4/Daredevil/X-Men to get Dr. Doom back to Marvel...I just want to see an EPIC Doom with Latveria and such...mind you, it would be better to have the F4 with him because of the Richards connection but still, a GOOD Doom with no F4 ties in the movie is better than NO Doom or a poorly Fox conceived Doom....

Fox would be stupid to allow this....it would be like WB allowing Paramount to have Joker and not being able to use him anymore

[Godzilla2014]

Originally Posted by roach

what you guys fail to realize is everything is a fad in hollywood. What goes up must come down. Westerns were popular...then they declined. Giant Monster movies were popular...then they declined. Disaster films were popular and then they declined.
Superhero movies will decline. Its not a matter of 'IF" is a matter of "WHEN". Every summer more and more superhero movies are being released with more on the horizon.
The GA will be tired.
Imagine if you will that you favorite food it pizza. You have it every once in a while and it is delicious. Then you decide you want it everyday. Every day week in week out you have pizza. Pepperoni, Cheese, Meat Lovers, Hawaiian, Supreme....you eat it all....after some time you will be tired of pizza.

It could quite possibly, but I don't know if that will happen soon or not. Regardless, I do not think that means that we should let it die.

[roach]

Originally Posted by Godzilla2014

It could quite possibly, but I don't know if that will happen soon or not. Regardless, I do not think that means that we should let it die.

we are not in control of it....its up to the GA

[Excelsior.]

Do we want to? Could Marvel Studios have given us a film with the quality of X-men First Class?

[roach]

Originally Posted by Nuffsaid

Do we want to? Could Marvel Studios have given us a film with the quality of X-men First Class?

Marvel has its hands full with the Avengers stuff... adding FF, X-men and Spidey to that would not be a good thing

[Bubonic]

Originally Posted by Nuffsaid

Do we want to? Could Marvel Studios have given us a film with the quality of X-men First Class?

That's debatable, one things for sure though, they never gave us anything as bad as X3 or Origins.

[Godzilla2014]

Originally Posted by roach

we are not in control of it....its up to the GA

True. As far as my confidence in the genre's lifespan I did say:

Originally Posted by Godzilla2014

I'm not exactly sure that comic book movies are a passing fad, at least not in the same way that people thought it was back in the early 2000s. Then again, initially people thought the Soviet Union would be short-lived, but by the 1980s, people thought it would be around forever. Then it collapsed in 1991.

So I could be completely wrong about the comic book superhero genre. It may last forever or be gone tomorrow, I really don't know. Superhero movies inherently have a lot of potential and a big advantage over daikaiju eiga or disaster movies: In a daikaiju eiga, you have the characters, and then there's the main event that the audience pays to see, (such as Godzilla). By that nature, it's a balancing act to get people intertwine these things, and while it can be done well with service to both components, such as in the original Gojira/Godzilla, it can be pretty hard to do both. With superheroes, the characters ARE the main event, so the film can focus on developing that protagonist and his/her supporting cast. Audiences interested in characters and audiences interested in action can both be pleased more reliably. See my point?

I do hope that the genre doesn't flat out die like the western seems to have.

[Excelsior.]

Originally Posted by Bubonic

That's debatable, one things for sure though, they never gave us anything as bad as X3 or Origins.

So? What does the bad have to do with the good? X3 and Wolverine's terribleness does nothing to diminish First Class' greatness.

[roach]

Originally Posted by Godzilla2014

True. As far as my confidence in the genre's lifespan I did say:



So I could be completely wrong about the comic book superhero genre. It may last forever or be gone tomorrow, I really don't know. Superhero movies inherently have a lot of potential and a big advantage over daikaiju eiga or disaster movies: In a daikaiju eiga, you have the characters, and then there's the main event that the audience pays to see, (such as Godzilla). By that nature, it's a balancing act to get people intertwine these things, and while it can be done well with service to both components, such as in the original Gojira/Godzilla, it can be pretty hard to do both. With superheroes, the characters ARE the main event, so the film can focus on developing that protagonist and his/her supporting cast. Audiences interested in characters and audiences interested in action can both be pleased more reliably. See my point?

I do hope that the genre doesn't flat out die like the western seems to have.

but thats the thing...it will fade and the studios are helping it along

[Bubonic]

Originally Posted by Nuffsaid

So? What does the bad have to do with the good? X3 and Wolverine's terribleness does nothing to diminish First Class' greatness.

Just making the point that so far Marvel Studios has been consistent in quality, not everyone likes TIH or even Thor, but they remained more than watchable and fun.

Fox is inconsistent, you came in asking if Marvel Studios could rival X-Men First Class, and I'd say yes, they are well on their way, and thankfully show the promise of never getting as bad as Fox all the while possibly surpassing Fox's best.

[Venom Melendez]

Yes, when the rights run out.

[roach]

rights wont run out...as long as they keep making movies

[Nell2ThaIzzay]

Originally Posted by Godzilla2014

How are romantic comedies any different? Quite frankly, I think audiences don't care if they are seeing the same A-list character again or a D-list character, so long as it's a good film. Not many cried, "Six Batman films in 2 decades is too many!" when The Dark Knight came out. Nor did I hear, "Iron Man is getting a film? Really?" when Iron Man was released.

Romantic comedies are different because, as redundant as the formula may be, it is at least different characters, different situations, and different stories.

If they keep rebooting the SAME comic book properties over and over again, like they are planning to do with properties like Spiderman, Batman, Superman, Fantastic 4, Daredevil, etc... the audience will get tired of seeing the same characters and the same stories over and over and over again. Especially doing them in such a short span of each other, like they are doing already with Spiderman, and like they are talking about doing with Batman once Dark Knight Rises releases.

Nobody was complaining about Iron Man, no, but that's not exactly a D-list character. I highly doubt people are going to be clamoring for Ant-Man. And to my knowledge, Thor didn't exactly blow away the box office.

[Captain Marvel]

Thor made $436 million worldwide. That doesn't seem to bad to me. That's $45 million more than Superman Returns while costing $120 million less to make. I compare them as Superman is far more popular and wellknown than Thor.

[Excelsior.]

Originally Posted by Bubonic

Just making the point that so far Marvel Studios has been consistent in quality, not everyone likes TIH or even Thor, but they remained more than watchable and fun.

Fox is inconsistent, you came in asking if Marvel Studios could rival X-Men First Class, and I'd say yes, they are well on their way, and thankfully show the promise of never getting as bad as Fox all the while possibly surpassing Fox's best.

Yes. I specifically said First Class, not Fox as a whole. So the qualities of their other flicks don't really matter. FC to me is better than anything Marvel Studios have made to date. If, hypothetically, Marvel Studios have made First Class, would it have been as good? Would Vaughn have the freedom to do what he accomplished at Fox?

[fearlessmontano]

i was hoping for one of the main marvel characters to revert back but know i dont think it is going to happen...from what i know is as long as the studios are showing that they are trying to make a movie the rights will stay were they are...fox says that they are working on a cgi thing so fantastic four will not revert back, ghost rider is coming out next year, daredevil has a director for his reboot, xmen just came out with a movie...so fox is clear for the next 5 years. Sony is making a spiderman reboot that is coming out next year, so sony is safe for the next 5 years...i have no more hope....