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Old 05-19-2011, 05:33 PM   #76
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Well, when Thor & Jane kissed it was Jane who initiate the kiss, not him. And he said he wanted to see her again, quite possibly so he can learn more about her, not that he suddenly wanted to make her his wife. Do you think it is unreasonable for him to want to see her again? And like I said, Thor may have spent only a few days on Earth, but in those time he has had many life-altering events that happened, including the feelings of abandonment, the low self-esteem after Mjolnir rejected him, and even death. Humans usually develop episodic memories after such experiencing such events, and I don't think Thor was the exception. He will always remember the times he spent on Earth, and Jane is part of that equation.
Do I think it's unreasonable for him to want to see her again? Personally, yeah, given how the movie progressed.

Let me rephrase that, no, I don't think it's out of the realm of possibility for him to remember and care for this human. But do I think it's a stretch, after seemingly watching his brother perish and all these other events that just happened, that the first thing on his mind when looking at the destroyed Bifröst Bridge is if he can ever get back to Jane Foster? This movie version of Jane Foster? Yeah I do.

Did it destroy the movie for me? No, like I said in my review, I think it's a solid 7/10 and a close third in terms of the Marvel movies so far. If that somehow makes me a hater or something, I'm fine with that, but this is my opinion, nothing more nothing less.

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Old 05-19-2011, 11:14 PM   #77
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I hear what your saying, here and the other thread included, but personally, and it's my opinion, the whole romance was just farfetched and his personal arc was real fast.

Yeah I can see her being smitten obviously, but this is the friggin' GOD OF THUNDER, like you said. What makes her so special after a few days? I agree about the human emotions, but that being said, I'm sure Thor's seen plenty of women in his time, on every realm lol.

In the comics the connection makes more sense. She's in touch with Donald Blake on a consistent basis for that type of attraction to manifest. She loves him & Thor, over time. But if anything, in this movie Thor may have had some lust for her, but that's about it. I can't see where all these emotions come from after such a small period of time, and even if they are there, you can't expect the audience to feel the same way.

Rachel Dawes, Pepper Potts, Mary Jane Watson, Betty Ross, these connections make a little more sense given the length of time these love interests were in their respective men's lives. On top of that, their all human beings on the basic level, not universe traveling, realm jumping, dimension bending gods.
The connection between the two is more emotional than based on duration. Thor did owe Jane and Selvig a lot, and their mutual interest just blossomed really quickly. He's the first god that Jane's met and she's first mortal he's interacted with who showed him humility and helped him out during a tough time. That, for me, would warrant more than just getting together during the holidays...
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Plus, you know, he didn't get the chance to tap that.

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Old 05-20-2011, 12:35 AM   #79
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I would change two things about this film
1. more scenes with Jane and Thor maybe one more scene with them connecting
2.More ACTION!!!!!!!

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Old 05-20-2011, 01:37 AM   #80
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Plus, you know, he didn't get the chance to tap that.
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Plus, you know, he didn't get the chance to tap that.
There's always the sequel for them to start making Thor babies.

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heh Thor has had kids in different realities and futures. I THINK it's 3 boys and one Girl.

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Old 05-21-2011, 02:01 PM   #83
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Well, when Thor & Jane kissed it was Jane who initiate the kiss, not him. And he said he wanted to see her again, quite possibly so he can learn more about her, not that he suddenly wanted to make her his wife. Do you think it is unreasonable for him to want to see her again? And like I said, Thor may have spent only a few days on Earth, but in those time he has had many life-altering events that happened, including the feelings of abandonment, the low self-esteem after Mjolnir rejected him, and even death. Humans usually develop episodic memories after such experiencing such events, and I don't think Thor was the exception. He will always remember the times he spent on Earth, and Jane is part of that equation.
I see this as what happened between Sarah Connors and Kyle Reese, "in the few hours we had together we loved a lifetime's worth."

It's not necessary that the characters have to share months together to develop a strong bond. But the problem in Thor was the writing and the execution. There was nothing between them interesting and strong enough to link them. She was infatuated as any school girl and he was, well, he was in front of her. And, as another poster said, she was extremely bland, uninteresting and average. Nothing that can convince she was special in Thor's eyes.

I'd certainly change the love story of the movie.

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Well, when Thor & Jane kissed it was Jane who initiate the kiss, not him. And he said he wanted to see her again, quite possibly so he can learn more about her, not that he suddenly wanted to make her his wife. Do you think it is unreasonable for him to want to see her again? And like I said, Thor may have spent only a few days on Earth, but in those time he has had many life-altering events that happened, including the feelings of abandonment, the low self-esteem after Mjolnir rejected him, and even death. Humans usually develop episodic memories after such experiencing such events, and I don't think Thor was the exception. He will always remember the times he spent on Earth, and Jane is part of that equation.
There are 5 beats of the love story in the movie.
-When he first sees her and she's gorge.
-The cafe when she isn't afraid to shout at him
-The bar/stargazing scene when Jane's reciprocation becomes clear
-When he 'dies'
-When they kiss and make their deal

We have two people lusting after each other and pledging to take those feelings further. I want to see the next one do that, I don't want the love triangle crap with Sif that I fear is coming.

Also, I don't think it was his first concern after Loki died. There had been some time going by the tone of the feast.

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Old 05-22-2011, 07:16 AM   #85
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More focus on either Asgard or Earth, and cut out the back and forth that marred the middle act. This probably could have been accomplished by having Loki go to Earth for more than one scene.

And that scene with Thor's revelation was good but he needed to keep a bit of his first half personality, the fish out of water act was dropped too abruptly.

Save Thor's Asgard friends for the next film, they were surplus to requirements here.

The romance was fine, it's not hard to believe someone would fall for Portman even if she was a too good to be true character.

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I'm glad they used the Warrior's Three and Sif in the first film, so now they can play an even bigger part of the sequel now that they're introductions are out of the way.

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What I would change; I wish they showed off Thor's strength more. I suppose they tried to weaken him a little so Iron Man, Cap, and others don't look redundant.

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He wasn't weakened, there was just no need to show off his strength because of how the film was writtent.

Just because he wasn't lifting things willy nilly doesn't mean he's "weakened", it just means that they were more focused on showcasing his abilities with Mjolnir.

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-Longer movie with more character and relationship developments.

-Much tougher fight with the Destroyer.

-I would have made the warriors three and Sif come off as more badass in the destroyer fight. I would have made it take Thor to actually beat it, WITH the rest of them also fighting it.

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I see this as what happened between Sarah Connors and Kyle Reese, "in the few hours we had together we loved a lifetime's worth."

It's not necessary that the characters have to share months together to develop a strong bond. But the problem in Thor was the writing and the execution. There was nothing between them interesting and strong enough to link them. She was infatuated as any school girl and he was, well, he was in front of her. And, as another poster said, she was extremely bland, uninteresting and average. Nothing that can convince she was special in Thor's eyes.

I'd certainly change the love story of the movie.


I think it was nothing more than infatuation. WE make it out as love because we know the comics.

It is a summer romance, infatuation based off of mutual chemistry. It was left open for more, but thats all it was.

I also think Jane acts as a focus for Midgard in general. Thor has also become infatuated with Midgard and Jane is the focus for it.

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I think it was nothing more than infatuation. WE make it out as love because we know the comics.

It is a summer romance, infatuation based off of mutual chemistry. It was left open for more, but thats all it was.

I also think Jane acts as a focus for Midgard in general. Thor has also become infatuated with Midgard and Jane is the focus for it.
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I am going to get killed for this one.
1. Anthony Hopkins as Odin; sorry but I really wasn't feeling that performance. It really reminded me of his character in Alexander
2. A longer fight between Thor and The Destroyer
3. More explanation into Jane and Thor's friendship/romance/connection or whatever. It just really reminded me of Star Wars with how their was no explanation as to why all of a sudden Jane cared so much about Thor dying.

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I would have ditched the romantic subplot altogether. It added nothing, pure Producer Induced Stupidity.

I would have stopped using clouds and dust as an excuse to not show the fighting.

The Destroyer fight should have been longer and a Hell of a lot more destructive. It should have made the fight against the Frost Giants look trivial. That thing is practically indestructible and Thor's hammer destroys entire buildings and shatters mountainsides like candy-glass. I was vastly disappointed at what a low-level fight it was, Die Hard has more destructive fight scenes.

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I agree. Odin is supposed to be imperious, secretive and commanding. He is NOT approachable. He is NOT your buddy. He will do anything and everything necessary to protect Asgard, this is true in the mythology and the comics. He is not supposed to be your sweet ol' grandpa. For Tyr's sake, his Godly attributes are: Secrets, Cunning, Magic, Rulership and War. Hopkins (and the script) made him seem like the god of stern but kindly daddies.

Also, there was no reason for Heimdall to be black. It's just aesthetically arbitrary, like making Storm Chinese.


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I think it was nothing more than infatuation. WE make it out as love because we know the comics.

It is a summer romance, infatuation based off of mutual chemistry. It was left open for more, but thats all it was.
Well I don't know the comics. Barely saw the old 1966's cartoons and one or two comics.

But I think the way it was presented indicated the classic romance plot: they looking at each other like two teenagers learning about the opposite sex for the first time, her being so worried about him dying and Thor sad at the end because he can't see her again and hoping he will one day.

But, as you say, it came off as some uninteresting puppy love.

What I doubt is that that was presicely the idea. But who knows, maybe I was just wanting to believe it was something valuable but it was just some infatuation.

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I would have changed a lot of things, but one minor thing would have been the story of how Odin lost his eye. I think the mythology would have served this movie better than the generic "he lost it in the battle" thing.

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I would have stopped using clouds and dust as an excuse to not show the fighting.
Clouds and dust didn't prevent any fights from being see, so wtf?

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It's pretty unreasonable to expect Thor to be portrayed that powerfully in the film when he hasn't been portrayed as being that powerful in any of his animated appearances.

That's also pretty much the case for ever superhero film, Hulk, Iron Man, Fantastic Four, and the X-Men's film fights all paled in comparison to his comic battles (It's just one of those things shrugs).

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Who cares, Idris Elba gave a fantastic performance and embodied his character perfectly.

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I would have changed a lot of things, but one minor thing would have been the story of how Odin lost his eye. I think the mythology would have served this movie better than the generic "he lost it in the battle" thing.
Nah, for stuff like that it doesn't really matter

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Well to me it did. It would have given Odin some more flesh to his bony character.

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Well to me it did. It would have given Odin some more flesh to his bony character.
I liked Odin sacrificing his eye for wisdom better than him losing it in battle but it's no biggie to me.

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Definitely agree that the Destroyer should have been longer. I would have changed the Hawkeye reveal and gave him more to do; something like Thor grabbing for the security guard's billy club and as he raises it, an arrow knocks it out of his hand; Thor would turn to the cherry picker and a tight zoom in on Hawkeye's face with another arrow ready, cracking a smile.

I also wish that there were some flashbacks to Thor and Loki's childhood when Loki was dangling from the edge of the bridge, to show the tension and loss of innocence between the two brothers.

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