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Old 07-10-2011, 02:16 PM   #26
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Well IMO you can run out of things to do with Heaths Joker. He enjoyed blowing a lot of things up and cutting a few people. Okay, but how will that seperate from any psychotic killers, past or future? Open it up to the more dark humorus wild side of the Joker that could conjur these creative plans, combine it with a realistic Joker, and I would enjoy it. That's just one thing I didnt like about TDK Joker: there were do many different things you could've done with him

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How many serial killers do you know of who cut smiles on their victims faces, paint clown make up on them and pin Joker cards to their bodies?

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Well none, but it is possible to expand beyond that

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Old 07-10-2011, 04:18 PM   #29
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Well IMO you can run out of things to do with Heaths Joker. He enjoyed blowing a lot of things up and cutting a few people. Okay, but how will that seperate from any psychotic killers, past or future? Open it up to the more dark humorus wild side of the Joker that could conjur these creative plans, combine it with a realistic Joker, and I would enjoy it. That's just one thing I didnt like about TDK Joker: there were do many different things you could've done with him
So which one is it?

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So which one is it?
Lol I meant in the first one there were limits set in the film on what he did: cut people and blow things up

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Old 07-11-2011, 10:14 AM   #31
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Well IMO you can run out of things to do with Heaths Joker. He enjoyed blowing a lot of things up and cutting a few people. Okay, but how will that seperate from any psychotic killers, past or future? Open it up to the more dark humorus wild side of the Joker that could conjur these creative plans, combine it with a realistic Joker, and I would enjoy it. That's just one thing I didnt like about TDK Joker: there were do many different things you could've done with him
I think you're missing the point of Heath Ledger's Joker in TDK. He's not just "blowing a lot of things up and cutting a few people", he's assaulting law & order and even the concept of morality (and the belief in it) itself. He is the antithesis of Batman, trying to destroy what he upholds. This Joker has plenty of the dark humorous side, in fact he revels in it. He doesn't really jokes, he exposes the one he perceives society to be. It was this depth that is why The Dark Knight transcended audiences' preconceptions of the genre, and why many people think it was the best superhero movie of all time, and why Ledger's Joker is also considered the best comic book movie villain of all time. I think your criticism applies much more to Mark Hamill's Joker, actually.

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How many serial killers do you know of who cut smiles on their victims faces, paint clown make up on them and pin Joker cards to their bodies?
Exactly. More than that, Heath Ledger's Joker is somehow similar, yet the antithesis of Christian Bale's Batman. Remember the description of him in the teaser trailer?
Alfred Pennyworth: "Because some men aren't looking for anything logical, like money. They can't be bought, bullied, reasoned or negotiated with."
Is it just me or could this apply to Batman's pursuit of the abstract concepts of justice and order nearly as well as the Joker's pursuit of the abstract concepts of anarchy and chaos?

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Old 07-11-2011, 01:56 PM   #32
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Well, physically...nobody looks more like the Joker than Adrien Brody. Doesn't hurt that he can act as well.

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Joker isn't just a physical role. It's part of it, but look at Heath and that outcome

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Old 07-11-2011, 02:17 PM   #34
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Joker isn't just a physical role. It's part of it, but look at Heath and that outcome
No argument there, Heath owned the role...but the show must go as they say. And Brody is a decent actor, and different enough that it won't appear they are looking for a Clone of Heath as a replacement.

I don't think any of us want to see another Actor try and Copy Heath...do they?

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We all know directors won't copy each others characters. But still, Joker and all, I personally don't see Brody

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Old 07-11-2011, 03:40 PM   #36
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I personally don't see Brody
I can see Brody in the role...but I also like your suggestion of Jim Carrey. I love Jim and know he could totally pull it off. Unfortunately, I don't think he'll escape the stigma of playing the Riddler in Batman Forever. I think WB will want to stay clear of that.

But hey, you never know. Everybody said Chris Evans couldn't play Captain America because he played the Human Torch...and I think that's going to work out just fine.

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Old 07-11-2011, 03:42 PM   #37
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Right, I just see Jim because he's had both sides of the playing field already, not to mention familiarity with Batman. He's got the most energy out of anyone to do it IMO

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Right, I just see Jim because he's had both sides of the playing field already, not to mention familiarity with Batman. He's got the most energy out of anyone to do it IMO
Agreed. Jim does serious every bit as well as he does comedy.

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