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Old 06-04-2011, 10:26 AM   #1
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At the beginning of X-Men 3: The Last Stand, Charles and Erik are still friends in the 1980's, as they're busy recruting new mutants (Jean Grey in particular), and Charles can still walk. Charles can also walk at the end of the Wolverine: Origins movie, also happening in the 1980's. But now in FIRST CLASS, he gets wheelchair-bound in 1962 as he and Erik irreversibly part ways.

Is this what we've been waiting for? The terrible Last Stand and Wolverine movies are no longer a part of continuity, and only X1, X2 and FC matter from now on (which would make sense, since Singer has returned, love the new Bad Hat Harry/Usual Suspects logo btw)? Did Tom Rothman die and no one told me?

They should stop selling the DVDs and Blus for those two, IMO. They've become as irrelevant as Batman Forever and Batman & Robin now that Nolan has reset the franchise. Here's hoping that the Frank Miller/Japanese "The Wolverine" follows suit as a new, far superior part of the X-men ret-conned timeline.

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Old 06-04-2011, 10:31 AM   #2
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Oh, and Hugh Jackman saying "Go f*** yourselves!" was priceless. Didn't even know you could say f*** in a PG-13 flick.

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Billion +1 post about the same issues.

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Old 06-04-2011, 10:33 AM   #4
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Hallelujah, the witch is dead!

Now only if they can erase x3 and wolverine from my brain!

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Old 06-04-2011, 10:35 AM   #5
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I hope they just start with a clean slate--I'd love to see Vaughn and Singer free to create without having to regard the first two films.

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Why would Singer disregard two films he wrote and directed, and a universe he established on film?

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Yes, you're right. I should have said "I wish" instead of "I hope" but it probably won't happen.

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Why would Singer disregard two films he wrote and directed, and a universe he established on film?
Not sure why but he already has.

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They should make a sequel to the original films and call it X-Men 3.

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Not sure why but he already has.
It's not as though XMFC is a straight reboot, so he hasn't really.

What continuity errors exist are fairly minor - he probably doesn't even remember that he made a movie where Xavier said he met Magneto at 17.

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It's not as though XMFC is a straight reboot, so he hasn't really.

What continuity errors exist are fairly minor - he probably doesn't even remember that he made a movie where Xavier said he met Magneto at 17.
Minor!? Did Xavier loose his memory aswell as the use of his legs?

Rather than creating astral projections and image modifiers for certain characters it's much easier to see first class in a different filmverse. If not then first class was written by a team hacks that didn't care about the previous films.

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Minor!? Did Xavier loose his memory aswell as the use of his legs?

Rather than creating astral projections and image modifiers for certain characters it's much easier to see first class in a different filmverse. If not then first class was written by a team hacks that didn't care about the previous films.
Well, Vaughn himself has already said that he doesn't care about continuity so much, or about X3 or Wolverine.

If it was a different filmverse, why does it still feature Hugh Jackman as Wolverine, and a big round Cerebro, and a blue-scaled Mystique, and the exact same opening footage from X1? This is just a prequel with some relaxed continuity, not a "clean slate".

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any time Xavier looked cgi it is because it was an ASTRAL PROJECTION

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View First Class as connected to just X-Men and X2.All connections to previous films are
Singer's films.And as I keep pointing out you don't reboot and draw connections to previous films.

X-Men Is hardly first franchise to Ignore dialogure.Let's take Star Trek for example.In the original series they give the time frame anywhere from 22 to 29th centrurys.Star Trek II was first to lay down the 23rd century as time frame of original series and there Is an error where khan says he was on Earth 2 centuries ago.And during first season we are given a couple of other answers before it Is established The Enterprise was a Federation ship.In the first appearance on the next generation the Borg have children.Later Ignored.And In Star Trek First Contact they did major reconning to the Borg.

So Ignoring some lines of Dialoge from X-Men and X2 Isn't a big deal.Bryan Singer himself said they are sticking to a certain timeline but made a few liberties.

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Old 06-04-2011, 11:08 AM   #15
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This movie is a prequel to the trilogy, get over it haters.

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Well, Vaughn himself has already said that he doesn't care about continuity so much, or about X3 or Wolverine.

If it was a different filmverse, why does it still feature Hugh Jackman as Wolverine, and a big round Cerebro, and a blue-scaled Mystique, and the exact same opening footage from X1? This is just a prequel with some relaxed continuity, not a "clean slate".
To be honest I have absolutely no idea why Wolverine had to be in this film, considering Singer said not so long ago "Wolverine is not in First Class". I dont get it. Then there's talk of him being in First Class sequels. Then you come to X1, X2 and neither Xavier or Magneto remember that distinctive cigar chomping mutant that told them to f*** off 30 years ago. Not even a hint that they personally met him before. What is this a mind wipe fest?

Then there's Mystique and her origins in First Class. Come X1, X2 and its all forgotten. Xavier says he first met Eric when they were 17 come First Class and its a completely different origin. That's why I cant see First Class in the same filmverse as X1,X2,X3 or XWO despite what Singer and Vaughn have said.

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Here's another one to chew on.

Can Xavier / Cerebro see into the future or the past. This relates to certain mutant cameos.

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Ditto...

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Well, Vaughn himself has already said that he doesn't care about continuity so much, or about X3 or Wolverine.

If it was a different filmverse, why does it still feature Hugh Jackman as Wolverine, and a big round Cerebro, and a blue-scaled Mystique, and the exact same opening footage from X1? This is just a prequel with some relaxed continuity, not a "clean slate".
Exactly. This isn't a "reboot" in any sense of the word.

Are there continuity errors? Yes. But it's really nothing that warrants a "reboot".

The opening sequence is ripped directly from X-Men, step for step. Obviously it's not rebooting the franchise, since it's literally using material from the franchise for source.

The only thing that contradicts X-Men: The Last Stand is some timeline issues regarding when Xavier and Magneto recruited for the X-Men, and when they had their falling out and Xavier was crippled. The essence of their friendship remains in tact: Xavier and Magneto recruited students for their school together. As far as the timeline - the movies have always had a very loose timeline, since the moment the movies were first set "In the not too distant future". There is debate over just when that places those movies, with the only physical evidence being pre-2001 due to a New York skyline shot in X-Men that features the twin towers. Obviously, however, that's an unintentional timeline setting, since there was no way Singer could have known about the 9/11 attacks over a year after his film was released.

As far as the other X-Men: The Last Stand "contradiction" - yes Beast looks different in X-Men: First Class than he does X-Men: The Last Stand - a man who is obviously concerned about his appearance, young when he first mutates, but 40 years later is holding a position in the President's cabinet, it's reasonable to assume that he would take measures to alter his appearance. He is obviously knowledgeable on mutation (something that doesn't contradict X-Men: The Last Stand, since he is first seen reading a Scientific American magazine, thus showing his interest in science). Also, Beast's story arc in X-Men: First Class fits in perfectly with his character arc in X-Men: The Last Stand - the mutant who actually defends the idea of the cure, because not all mutants can hide their mutations so easily. Beast translates perfectly from X-Men: First Class to X-Men: The Last Stand.

And as far as Emma Frost goes - Emma Frost wasn't even *named* in X-Men Origins: Wolverine. Except for a name spot in the commercials, there's no way of solidifying her as *THE* Emma Frost. Yea, her powers are the same. But these movies have shown us (as well as the comics) that there are definitely more than one mutant out there with the same powers. These movies have shown us *4* different mutants who teleport. They've shown us at least *3* mutants with telepathic abilities. We've seen 3 / 4 (considering if you count X-Men's Sabretooth and X-Men Origins: Wolverine's Victor Creed as the same character, or 2 separate characters) mutants with healing powers. So, some blonde girl in X-Men Origins: Wolverine turned to diamond, and X-Men: First Class has a blonde woman who turns to diamond, has telepathic abilities, and is named Emma Frost.

I'd certainly prefer to see a character of Emma Frost's importance given actual character development and fleshed into a full character, instead of her getting a nameless blink-and-you-missed-it cameo.

Are there continuity issues? Yes. But nothing that call for a reboot. And there have been continuity issues all throughout the series, so it's nothing new.

It's a movie franchise based on nearly 50 years of comics, that have had various retcons, and numerous timelines of it's own. It's had countless writers and artists, and now the film franchise of 11 years and 5 movies has spanned 4 directors, many, MANY different writers, and varying directors. Continuity issues are inevitable.

Most movies aren't Lord of the Rings, which are really just one big movie broken up into 3 different installments. Most movies aren't even Star Wars. Yes, I love that kind of continuity from movie franchises, but unfortunately, the X-Men series just never reached that level of continuity. But just because "reboot" is Hollywood's new "buzzword" to justify their lack of creativity (which is exactly what I consider a reboot to be - a lack of creativity - Nolan's Batman series being the exception to the rule) doesn't mean every movie with a continuity error is a reboot.

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I hope they just start with a clean slate--I'd love to see Vaughn and Singer free to create without having to regard the first two films.
That's what I had hoped to. Take it to the next level. Think outside the box. But no, this is basically a tribute to the first two movies. They steadfastly adhere to the rules set by the all mighty (Frankly overrated) Bryan Singer. I wanted something brand new. Imagine my dissappointment when this movie starts EXACTLY THE SAME WAY THE FIRST MOVIE DID! LITERALLY! It might have been the same footage! they immediately evoke memories of my least favorite X-Men movie (Well, ok, Origins was worse)
I thought we were getting a reboot. This is more of the same. Imagine if Christopher Nolan followed the same template as Tim Burton.
There was some awesome stuff in the movie. (Example: Everything Magneto did.) but overall, I was dissappointed. As a fan of the books, I say qe still have yet to see an XMen movie meet it's full potential.


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To be honest I have absolutely no idea why Wolverine had to be in this film, considering Singer said not so long ago "Wolverine is not in First Class". I dont get it. Then there's talk of him being in First Class sequels. Then you come to X1, X2 and neither Xavier or Magneto remember that distinctive cigar chomping mutant that told them to f*** off 30 years ago. Not even a hint that they personally met him before. What is this a mind wipe fest?

Then there's Mystique and her origins in First Class. Come X1, X2 and its all forgotten. Xavier says he first met Eric when they were 17 come First Class and its a completely different origin. That's why I cant see First Class in the same filmverse as X1,X2,X3 or XWO despite what Singer and Vaughn have said.
Would you remember some random guy who's face you never actually saw, and who's name you never actually heard, who did nothing more than told you to "go **** yourself" in some bar 30 - 40 years earlier?

Most of us haven't even been *alive* for 30 years.

As far as Mystique goes - nothing was altered by Xavier's explanation in X-Men. He did meet Magneto, and Magneto did become angry and vengeful. He didn't mention Mystique, because Wolverine hadn't encountered Mystique. He didn't know who she was. He knew that Magneto was after Logan. Magneto is the head behind the Brotherhood, not Mystique. Xavier let it be known that Magneto had associates.

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Oh, and Hugh Jackman saying "Go f*** yourselves!" was priceless. Didn't even know you could say f*** in a PG-13 flick.
I think MPAA allows 1 single use of the word as long as it isn't in sexual nature. They used the one f*** to their benefit.

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hen you come to X1, X2 and neither Xavier or Magneto remember that distinctive cigar chomping mutant that told them to f*** off 30 years ago. Not even a hint that they personally met him before. What is this a mind wipe fest?
Honestly the Wolverine cameo is the simplest to get around. Yeah he was distinctive and it was a a "hey cool its Wolverine!" moment for fans, but to X and Erik he wouldn't have been that distinctive. They never really even MET him. They walked in the bar and before they could finish their sentence Wolvie cut them off. He didn't even turn all the way around. With all that the two of them were involved in during that period of time and in the future there's no reason to remember Wolvie. Hell that be like asking you to remember the guy who held the door open for you at Wal Mart.

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